Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew In Decent

[OrphanedRepublican]

I have a TRUTH METER (so do you) and it is the Holy Spirit. I can listen to anything, and the unction of the Holy Spirit usually tells me within 5 minutes if this is of God or not. Of course, it takes practice over many years to perfect and understand how to hear the voice of God and to UNDERSTAND the voice of Satan.

When I hear stuff, not of God I turn to off Sometimes people get be f God but be off on a few things like the Raptures timing, so I can multi-task and still listen, but I am then weary of what they say or in other words, I pam much closer attention to all the details.

I believe that from reading your blog, which I was very impressed with. I disagreed with you on a couple things, but we don't expect each other to be perfect.

 

[OldSage]

As soon as I finish work I'll come back and we'll dive into all of the text more in depth. But Ezra 1 says...

3 Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the Lord God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.

4 And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.

5 Then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests, and the Levites, with all them whose spirit God had raised, to go up to build the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem

Then Ezra 2 says...

Now these are the children of the province that went up out of the captivity, of those which had been carried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away unto Babylon, and came again unto Jerusalem and Judah, every one unto his city;

...and then it lists the children. It's the southern house. The northern house had a punishment that was further extended because of sin (7 times more severe than their initial punishment). Hosea 8 explains that they'd be sown into the nations and no longer be His people.

But I'll give you a more detailed reply later. Blessings.

But I think Jeremiah 3 is unequivocal.

3 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again?.............................

6 The Lord said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also...........................

12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the Lord; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever.
13 Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the Lord thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the Lord.
14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the Lord, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the Lord: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.

 

[crossnote]

You stay to yourself and be one of those LONE WOLF guys. We know how that turns out, and we know that is not the Christ way. And I know what verse means, and how people are deceived. I see people coming with OLD FALSEHOODS from miles away, what I do know is you are not understanding Scriptures, PERIOD, you can parse that in a million ways, maybe if I get one IOTA of the Pledge of Allegiance wrong I "DONT KNOW IT" right?

But, what I do know is you do not understand End Time Eschatology.

Thanks again for your wrong judgmental opinion.
I am not a LONE WOLF (I have a Church). So you are wrong again.
Maybe you can enlighten me, O Mighty One in showing me where my understanding is faulty. (I doubt you know my understanding, but if you see it as a falsehood, I am all ears).
Go ahead.

 

[Yahshua]

Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.18 Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will punish the king of Babylon and his land, as I have punished the king of Assyria.19 And I will bring Israel again to his habitation, and he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan, and his soul shall be satisfied upon mount Ephraim and Gilead.20 In those days, and in that time, saith the Lord, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

(Ack! lol this is why I try not to visit during work hours...its hard to pull myself away.)

Notice verse 20 is another way of prophesying the "New Covenant" promise (i.e. regathering of all Israel & forgiveness of sin) and it's promised for "in those days". The Messiah hadn't come yet during the time of Ezra. and when He came He didnt covenant with all Israel since the Jews rejected Him.l, but only covenants with His disciples (and anyone who believed). There is still a promise when all Israel with experiencethe new covenant. So this passage is a future prophecy in the same vein as Ezekiel 37 and doesnt apply to the return of the babylonian exile.

O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.8 O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee.9 To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him;10 Neither have we obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law

Notice here that it's Daniel praying for all of Israel, which is perfectly fine to do. At the start of this prayer in verse 2 he shows his reasoning for the prayer, counting 70 years for the desolation of Jerusalem. Judah dwelled in Jerusalem. This isn't Gabriel speaking.

 

[Yahshua]

That is a perfectly sensible, common sense understanding and I wonder why I didn't think of it. I feel better now. So, I guess this means though that we will still be eating flesh. I mean, still be eating and we are supposed to eat our food with joy and gladness before God.

Yeah still eating and growing as far as the text goes...there's a passage that mentions dying at 100 will be considered young.

Also recall that the transformed Messiah ate with His disciples.

...I suppose - if we consider that the end is told from the beginning - when eden is restored that eating animals may also be reversed? But I'm just guessing at this point.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, you are right there; also it was the Samarians who initially hindered the rebuilding of the temple.

But according to Jeremiah (50)...

17 Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.18 Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will punish the king of Babylon and his land, as I have punished the king of Assyria.19 And I will bring Israel again to his habitation, and he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan, and his soul shall be satisfied upon mount Ephraim and Gilead.20 In those days, and in that time, saith the Lord, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

And Gabriel seems to conjoin the the Houses in the return

Daniel 9 :7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.8 O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee.9 To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him;10 Neither have we obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law,

Daniel, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, were prophesying of Israel's return to Jerusalem after the Babylonian Captivity

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

Yeah still eating and growing as far as the text goes...there's a passage that mentions dying at 100 will be considered young.

Also recall that the transformed Messiah ate with His disciples.

...I suppose - if we consider that the end is told from the beginning - when eden is restored that eating animals may also be reversed? But I'm just guessing at this point.

We don't know the wonders God has in store. I was reading in Song of Solomon the other day and saw this verse:

Song of Solomon:9 King Solomon made himself a chariot of the wood of Lebanon.

10 He made the pillars thereof of silver, the bottom thereof of gold, the covering of it of purple, the midst thereof being paved with love, for the daughters of Jerusalem.

I was curious about the word "paved." to fit together, fit out, pattern.

That chariot is New Jerusalem and daughters of Jerusalem are part of the design. Fascinating. What a flowery image of Jesus building a chariot designed to hold us for eternity. Gives me the impression that the "city" may be so much more than a stationary city with streets and buildings. The whole habitation may be ... I don't want to say "space ship," but it might be a habitation of no bounds and can be anywhere or go anywhere.

 

[Truth7t7]

So this passage is a future prophecy in the same vein as Ezekiel 37 and doesnt apply to the return of the babylonian exile.

Ezekiel 37:27-28 below represent the Eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, as seen below in Revelation 21:1-5

Ezekiel 37:27-28KJV
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

"Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away; behold, the new has come into being."
2 Corinthians 5:17


https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_corinthians/5-17.htm







[same "new" word as in Rev21:5 "Behold, I make all things new..." - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/21-5.htm ]

 

[Truth7t7]

"Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away; behold, the new has come into being."
2 Corinthians 5:17


https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_corinthians/5-17.htm







[same "new" word as in Rev21:5 "Behold, I make all things new..." - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/21-5.htm ]

Do you deny the future New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem Below, In A Symbolic Representation Of The Believer Being A New Creation?

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ "... and there was no more sea" Rev21:1 (in your quoted passage)

versus:


Ezekiel 47:8
Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

Ezekiel 47:10
And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

Ezekiel 47:15
And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea, the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad;

Ezekiel 47:17
And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.

Ezekiel 47:18
And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.

Ezekiel 47:19
And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the river to the great sea. And this is the south side southward.

Ezekiel 47:20
The west side also shall be the great sea from the border, till a man come over against Hamath. This is the west side.

Ezekiel 48:28
And by the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar unto the waters of strife in Kadesh, and to the river toward the great sea.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The 10 horns shall rise out of the fourth kingdom, all from the same kingdom, (Israel)

What makes you say "the fourth kingdom" is "Israel".

Nothing in the passage you quoted hints toward this idea.

Daniel 7:23-25KJV
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Since this is speaking of "the fourth kingdom," what were the first three prior to this "fourth" one?
Identify them, for us.

 

[Truth7t7]

^ "... and there was no more sea" Rev21:1 (in your quoted passage)

versus:


Ezekiel 47:8
Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

Ezekiel 47:10
And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

Ezekiel 47:15
And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea, the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad;

Ezekiel 47:17
And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.

Ezekiel 47:18
And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.

Ezekiel 47:19
And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the river to the great sea. And this is the south side southward.

Ezekiel 47:20
The west side also shall be the great sea from the border, till a man come over against Hamath. This is the west side.

Ezekiel 48:28
And by the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar unto the waters of strife in Kadesh, and to the river toward the great sea.

"Sea" represents multitudes of people, narrow is the way, few will find it

(The Eternal Kingdom) same river and Tree of life, same fruit, same leaves of the tree for healing/medicine

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

[Truth7t7]

^ "... and there was no more sea" Rev21:1 (in your quoted passage)

versus:


Ezekiel 47:8
Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

Ezekiel 47:10
And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

Ezekiel 47:15
And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea, the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad;

Ezekiel 47:17
And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.

Ezekiel 47:18
And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.

Ezekiel 47:19
And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the river to the great sea. And this is the south side southward.

Ezekiel 47:20
The west side also shall be the great sea from the border, till a man come over against Hamath. This is the west side.

Ezekiel 48:28
And by the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar unto the waters of strife in Kadesh, and to the river toward the great sea.

The beast rose out of the "Sea" multitudes of people, not actual water like the creature from the black lagoon

Revelation 13:1KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

There was no more "Sea" multitudes of people, not oceans of water

Narrow is the way to eternal life, few will find it, no more multitudes of people will be seen in the New Heaven and Earth

Revelation 21:1KJV
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

[OldSage]

(Ack! lol this is why I try not to visit during work hours...its hard to pull myself away.)

Notice verse 20 is another way of prophesying the "New Covenant" promise (i.e. regathering of all Israel & forgiveness of sin) and it's promised for "in those days". The Messiah hadn't come yet during the time of Ezra. and when He came He didnt covenant with all Israel since the Jews rejected Him.l, but only covenants with His disciples (and anyone who believed). There is still a promise when all Israel with experiencethe new covenant. So this passage is a future prophecy in the same vein as Ezekiel 37 and doesnt apply to the return of the babylonian exile.




Notice here that it's Daniel praying for all of Israel, which is perfectly fine to do. At the start of this prayer in verse 2 he shows his reasoning for the prayer, counting 70 years for the desolation of Jerusalem. Judah dwelled in Jerusalem. This isn't Gabriel speaking.

Well Daniel is praying for both houses. Gabriel replies:

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression....

I suppose you could argue otherwise, but it seems to me that Gabriel has made a prophetic leap, and compounded the fractured houses into one - the people of Israel.

But Jeremiah throughout talks about the return of both house concurrently.

30: 3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

Chapter 31 is particularly unequivocal:

31 At the same time, saith the Lord, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.
2 Thus saith the Lord, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel:

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The house seen in Ezekiel chapters 47-48 is the Eternal kingdom in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, where the River and Tree of life are present

"...where the River and Tree of life are present"




What do you do with the 9x that "sea" is referred to in chpts 47-48, is my question... especially if they represent "peoples" (unsaved), what are they doing present there, according to your viewpoint on these two chpts?

Ezekiel 47:8
Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

Ezekiel 47:10
And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

Ezekiel 47:15
And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea, the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad;

Ezekiel 47:17
And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.

Ezekiel 47:18
And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.

Ezekiel 47:19
And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the river to the great sea. And this is the south side southward.

Ezekiel 47:20
The west side also shall be the great sea from the border, till a man come over against Hamath. This is the west side.

Ezekiel 48:28
And by the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar unto the waters of strife in Kadesh, and to the river toward the great sea.

 

[Truth7t7]

"where the River and Tree of life are present"




What do you do with the 9x that "sea" is referred to in chpts 47-48, is my question... especially if they represent "peoples" (unsaved), what are they doing present there, according to your viewpoint on these two chpts?

You applied Ezekiel 47 to disqualify it as being the eternal kingdom because oceans of water "Sea" is present, of course there will be literal seas, fish, and fishermen

As Revelation 21:1 States there was no more "Sea" meaning multitudes of people, not oceans of water

Yes Ezekiel 47:12, Revelation 21:1 & Revelation 22:1-2 is exactly the same place in the Eternal New Heven, Earth, Jerusalem

The beast rose out of the "Sea" multitudes of people, not actual water like the creature from the black lagoon

Revelation 13:1KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

There was no more "Sea" multitudes of people, not oceans of water

Narrow is the way to eternal life, few will find it, no more multitudes of people will be seen in the New Heaven and Earth

Revelation 21:1KJV
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

You applied Ezekiel 47 to disqualify it as being the eternal kingdom because oceans of water "Sea" is present, of course there will be literal seas, fish, and fishermen

"...of course there will be literal seas..."




You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth.

In one breath you say things will be "spiritual" coz EVERYTHING "physical" / "tangible" will be blasted away and burned up and obliterated! (... and you rail on anyone saying otherwise )

And in another breath you say there will be "literal seas," OF COURSE!


Pick which story you're sticking to.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Ezekiel 47:18
And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.

...yep, all "literal" also.

 

[Truth7t7]

"...of course there will be literal seas..."




You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth.

In one breath you say things will be "spiritual" coz EVERYTHING "physical" / "tangible" will be blasted away and burned up and obliterated! (... and you rail on anyone saying otherwise )

And in another breath you say there will be "literal seas," OF COURSE!


Pick which story you're sticking to.

The existing heaven and earth will be dissolved by the Lords fire at the second coming, the New Creation in The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem is tangible, with rivers, oceans, fish, fishermen, vineyards, houses built

At no time have I claimed is not tangible,with Angel's and harps floating around like transparent ghosts, your false claim

There will be no Milleneial Kingdom on this earth, it will be gone, dissolved by fire, as you have seen several times

That seen in Revelation 20:1-6 is taking place presently in the spiritual realm, and it will cease at the second coming, those seen have not received the glorified tangible body, they are "Souls" waiting for the second coming, and last day resurrection