Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew In Decent

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This might be important since Revelation 12:7-12 describes a war in heaven, led by Michael the archangel, resulting in Satan being cast down to earth.
Revelation 12:v. 7 to 10

7 ...
the dragon fought and his angels, -his messengers: 2 Corinthians 11:v.13-15


13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan
-the dragon- himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if
his ministers -ministers of Devil- also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.



8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And
the great dragon -this is the new NAME of Satan now in this time of Apocalypse-
was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan
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which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.




Revelation 20:v.1-3

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the DRAGON, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him,

that he should deceive the nations no more,

till the thousand years should be fulfilled: ...
 
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The scattering of Israel happened 2000 odd years ago though
Indeed. The start of Daniel 12:1 is perfectly linked to Revelation 12:7-12. We can sync both passages in this specific place in time. That same "time of trouble" can be linked to Matthew 24:21. If these three books were still scrolls you could roll all three out parallel at these verses to start to fill in details.

Jump down to Daniel12:7 and notice that the point of the "great time of trouble" was to "scatter" daniel's people.

Daniel 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
 
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If so how did Israel lose? God defeats them on the Mount of God!! Israel lost in 70 AD. Israel was taken from their land and transported via the Diaspora all over the whole world. Gog and Magog are defeated, the Anti-Christ treads down Jeruslam for ONLY 42 months, not 2000 years. The Psalm 83 war is END TIMES also, we can name about 10 to 15 wars between Israel and those Nations from 1948 to about 2010. Then we get the Iran threat that brings Israel and her IMMEDIATE Neighbors to peace (Trump Accords). Israel lost in 70 AD, it doesn't fit brother.
Israel won. Haman lost.
 
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Indeed. The start of Daniel 12:1 is perfectly linked to Revelation 12:7-12. We can sync both passages in this specific place in time. That same "time of trouble" can be linked to Matthew 24:21. If these three books were still scrolls you could roll all three out parallel at these verses to start to fill in details.

Jump down to Daniel12:7 and notice that the point of the "great time of trouble" was to "scatter" daniel's people.

Daniel 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
But I don't know where you get this Tribulation from.
Orphaned's idea of Michael as Jesus is not so stupid. It is at least sequential.
And for sure Jesus is a Prince - the Prince of Peace.
Not that I am particularly running with the idea.

For instance:
Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon
I think these can be confirmed as the Decapolis.

I suspect Michael's appearance is precisely here:

Matthew 2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

Herod of course being the King that does not regard the desire of women:

16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
 

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Where does the Temple of Ezekiel's visions come in?
I believe Ezekiel's temple comes in at the very end. I believe it's New Jerusalem descending from heaven. The dimensions of the temple are massive like it's more than a temple...more like a dwelling place. Also, it's last in the order of prophetic events.

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The book of Ezekiel was written while in Babylonian captivity. So its prophecies - as detailed through chapters 33-40 - are fulfilled after Jews return to the land during the 2nd temple period in the order in which they're given.

Ezekiel 33 - Jews start to sin again when they return from captivity

Ezekiel 34 - Corrupt shepherds mislead Almighty's flock so He searches out His sheep and makes a covenant with them = The Messiah's ministry, His conflict with Pharisees, and the new covenant He established.

Ezekiel 35 - Jerusalem is destroyed and Edom claims holy land as theirs but will be at constant war in the land = 70 AD destruction and eventual claim of the land by those currently controlling it. Since then they've experienced nothing but war in the middle-east.

Ezekiel 36 - Nations of the world mistreat Almighty's people (both Jew & Gentile) while scattered throughout the nations of the world. This syncs with Daniel 12:7's scattering of the people during their time of trouble/tribulation. I believe we are currently here.

Ezekiel 37 - The valley of dry bones rising = long-awaited resurrection/transformation event (1 Corinthians 15:52) during Messiah's 2nd coming, and then the true gathering of all Israel (Jew & gentile believers in Messiah) will happen.

[Revelation 20 explains that the 1000-year reign occurs "here", after the resurrection/gathering but before the Gog & Magog war. This is when satan is bound, which makes sense considering Messiah/Truth will have come.]

Ezekiel 38-39 - The Gog & Magog attack against a restored Israel at peace, followed by their destruction = Revelation 20:8 satan is loosed after 1000 years to deceive the nations to attack the saints one last time.

Ezekiel 40-48 - Temple envisioned by Ezekiel = Revelation 21 as heaven's New Jerusalem kingdom descends on earth and the Almighty finally dwells with mankind as intended.
 
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But Ezekiel 37 logically took place when the two Houses, of Judah which was in Babylonian Captivity, and Israel which had been extirpated by the Assyrians and sent away to the Tigris, were regathered back to the land as a re-united nation. Healing the rift that Solomon's Apostasy had caused.

1 Chronicles 5:26 And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river Gozan, unto this day.


Ezekiel 1:1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
 

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I am not affiliated with 7th Day or any other religious group. I thought I answered that by informing you that I follow a very strict solo scriptura study. If you are unfamiliar with solo scriptura, it simply means, scripture alone.



There is NO scripture alone study! If you do this,you study amiss for we must be led by the HOLY SPIRIT to teach us the word and bring it to our remembrance. In this way you are making it ONLY a book,not one inspired of God!
 
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I believe Ezekiel's temple comes in at the very end. I believe it's New Jerusalem descending from heaven. The dimensions of the temple are massive like it's more than a temple...more like a dwelling place. Also, it's last in the order of prophetic events.

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The book of Ezekiel was written while in Babylonian captivity. So its prophecies - as detailed through chapters 33-40 - are fulfilled after Jews return to the land during the 2nd temple period in the order in which they're given.

Ezekiel 33 - Jews start to sin again when they return from captivity

Ezekiel 34 - Corrupt shepherds mislead Almighty's flock so He searches out His sheep and makes a covenant with them = The Messiah's ministry, His conflict with Pharisees, and the new covenant He established.

Ezekiel 35 - Jerusalem is destroyed and Edom claims holy land as theirs but will be at constant war in the land = 70 AD destruction and eventual claim of the land by those currently controlling it. Since then they've experienced nothing but war in the middle-east.

Ezekiel 36 - Nations of the world mistreat Almighty's people (both Jew & Gentile) while scattered throughout the nations of the world. This syncs with Daniel 12:7's scattering of the people during their time of trouble/tribulation. I believe we are currently here.

Ezekiel 37 - The valley of dry bones rising = long-awaited resurrection/transformation event (1 Corinthians 15:52) during Messiah's 2nd coming, and then the true gathering of all Israel (Jew & gentile believers in Messiah) will happen.

[Revelation 20 explains that the 1000-year reign occurs "here", after the resurrection/gathering but before the Gog & Magog war. This is when satan is bound, which makes sense considering Messiah/Truth will have come.]

Ezekiel 38-39 - The Gog & Magog attack against a restored Israel at peace, followed by their destruction = Revelation 20:8 satan is loosed after 1000 years to deceive the nations to attack the saints one last time.

Ezekiel 40-48 - Temple envisioned by Ezekiel = Revelation 21 as heaven's New Jerusalem kingdom descends on earth and the Almighty finally dwells with mankind as intended.
I wondered if this were a "blueprint" for New Jerusalem. But, I am confused by the designs for performance of commanded animal sacrifices.
 
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There is NO scripture alone study! If you do this,you study amiss for we must be led by the HOLY SPIRIT to teach us the word and bring it to our remembrance. In this way you are making it ONLY a book,not one inspired of God!
You're listening to the spirits of the world. I listen only to the Lord's voice. His sheep know his voice and will not follow any other.
 
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But I don't know where you get this Tribulation from.
Orphaned's idea of Michael as Jesus is not so stupid. It is at least sequential.
And for sure Jesus is a Prince - the Prince of Peace.
Not that I am particularly running with the idea.

For instance:
Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon
I think these can be confirmed as the Decapolis.

I suspect Michael's appearance is precisely here:

Matthew 2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

Herod of course being the King that does not regard the desire of women:

16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
I always connected that prophecy with Rachel weeping for her children to the time when Jesus wept over Jerusalem.

Rachel = ewe. Jesus is called a Lamb of God, therefore one could interpret this prophecy of Rachel weeping for her children to:

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Luke 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.


There is a spiritual pattern between the two, both involve dead children beyond saving. So, a "mother" and a Rachel (ewe) lamb of God would certainly weep over that. And he is mentioning that this is "their day."


BUT, it's just my interpretation and now I'm thinking about your interpretation.
 
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I always connected that prophecy with Rachel weeping for her children to the time when Jesus wept over Jerusalem.

Rachel = ewe. Jesus is called a Lamb of God, therefore one could interpret this prophecy of Rachel weeping for her children to:

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Luke 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

There is a spiritual pattern between the two, both involve dead children beyond saving. So, a "mother" and a Rachel (ewe) lamb of God would certainly weep over that. And he is mentioning that this is "their day."


BUT, it's just my interpretation and now I'm thinking about your interpretation.
Wow. That is spot on. All the imagery is maternal here.

Rachel is a female shepherd
Gen 29:6 - And he said unto them, Is he well? And they said, He is well: and, behold, Rachel his daughter cometh with the sheep.

Jesus is a hen.
 
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I always connected that prophecy with Rachel weeping for her children to the time when Jesus wept over Jerusalem.

Rachel = ewe. Jesus is called a Lamb of God, therefore one could interpret this prophecy of Rachel weeping for her children to:

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Luke 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

There is a spiritual pattern between the two, both involve dead children beyond saving. So, a "mother" and a Rachel (ewe) lamb of God would certainly weep over that. And he is mentioning that this is "their day."


BUT, it's just my interpretation and now I'm thinking about your interpretation.
No. It is very important.
Jerusalem is described as a mother with her children by Paul.
In Genesis 16 we see offspring from Hagar, as opposed to the patrilineal line
 

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Where does the Temple of Ezekiel's visions come in?
The temple seen in Ezekiel chapters 40-46 represents the 2nd Zerubabbel temple built in 536BC and destroyed by the Roman's in 70AD

The house seen in Ezekiel chapters 47-48 is the Eternal kingdom in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, where the River and Tree of life are present

God instructs Ezekiel in the verses below to show the pattern of the Zerubbabel temple to the house of Isrsel (In The Captivity)
Ezekiel is instructed to write the ordinances and laws in the sight of the House of Israel (In The Captivity) not to some future generation as many claim


The Zerubbabel 2nd Temple, Built 536BC, After The Babylonian Captivity

Ezekiel 43:10-11KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

(The Eternal Kingdom) same river and Tree of life, same fruit, same leaves of the tree for healing/medicine

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 
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I'm having a hard time connecting Rachel to Jerusalem. She is more connected conceptually to Jesus. Rachel is very much a sign of Jesus, the lamb, to come.

Was it coincidence that she died giving birth in Ephrath, another name for Bethlehem? The events, her death in birth and Jesus (lamb) birth in Bethlehem connect the two which causes me to connect the prophecy to Jesus weeping unconsolably over the loss of children in Jerusalem. There is no consolation because he declares they are made desolate.

But I am considering your interpretation. I'm really pondering it.
 
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I'm having a hard time connecting Rachel to Jerusalem. She is more connected conceptually to Jesus. Rachel is very much a sign of Jesus, the lamb, to come.

Was it coincidence that she died giving birth in Ephrath, another name for Bethlehem? The events, her death in birth and Jesus (lamb) birth in Bethlehem connect the two which causes me to connect the prophecy to Jesus weeping unconsolably over the loss of children in Jerusalem. There is no consolation because he declares they are made desolate.

But I am considering your interpretation. I'm really pondering it.
Rachel is the mother of heavenly Jerusalem - isn't that what you are saying?
Hagar being the mother of earthly Jerusalem.

Good shepherdess vs bad shepherd(ess)
 

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No. It is very important.
Jerusalem is described as a mother with her children by Paul.
In Genesis 16 we see offspring from Hagar, as opposed to the patrilineal line
You falsely suggest two people's of God, earthly (Jew) heavenly (Church) a false teaching known as Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) a teaching found no place in the scripture

Israel Is The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
 
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Rachel is the mother of heavenly Jerusalem - isn't that what you are saying?
Hagar being the mother of earthly Jerusalem.

Good shepherdess vs bad shepherd(ess)
No, that's not what I'm saying.

I connect dots. And actually, this may be off topic, but I love to learn about things that aren't spoken or said plainly. The story of Leah and Rachel is the story of Israel and Judah. The names of the sons spell it out. Leah and Rachel were rivals and Israel and Judah warred constantly. Leah and Rachel are the sign of the struggles.

Genesis 30:8 And Rachel said, With great wrestlings have I wrestled with my sister, and I have prevailed: and she called his name Naphtali.

Naphtali = wrestling

All that I said about Rachel is that I connect her more to Jesus because of the signs of Jesus in Rachel's life events. That is my observation. It doesn't mean I'm right. Right now, it's just my thought.

I see you're bringing in Sarah and Hagar as well to be very intriguing and relevant. I'm pondering all of it.
 
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I always connected that prophecy with Rachel weeping for her children to the time when Jesus wept over Jerusalem.

Rachel = ewe. Jesus is called a Lamb of God, therefore one could interpret this prophecy of Rachel weeping for her children to:

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Luke 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

There is a spiritual pattern between the two, both involve dead children beyond saving. So, a "mother" and a Rachel (ewe) lamb of God would certainly weep over that. And he is mentioning that this is "their day."


BUT, it's just my interpretation and now I'm thinking about your interpretation.
It seems that mothering and shepherding are in close proximity - Rachel seems to embody both.

10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings: 12 So the Lord alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.
 
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No, that's not what I'm saying.

I connect dots. And actually, this may be off topic, but I love to learn about things that aren't spoken or said plainly. The story of Leah and Rachel is the story of Israel and Judah. The names of the sons spell it out. Leah and Rachel were rivals and Israel and Judah warred constantly. Leah and Rachel are the sign of the struggles.

Genesis 30:8 And Rachel said, With great wrestlings have I wrestled with my sister, and I have prevailed: and she called his name Naphtali.

Naphtali = wrestling

All that I said about Rachel is that I connect her more to Jesus because of the signs of Jesus in Rachel's life events. That is my observation. It doesn't mean I'm right. Right now, it's just my thought.

I see you're bringing in Sarah and Hagar as well to be very intriguing and relevant. I'm pondering all of it.
well Leah had poor eyesight, so we could connect her to those blind under the Law.
And yes, i see the typology you are seeing.