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THE REAL ISSUE HERE is Palestinian insistence upon the vote.

Demonstrations war and propaganda are meant to destroy Israel. It has never been admitted that Israel has a right to exist.

The root of the issue is the Arab desire and design to destroy Israel at any cost and by any means. Tactics have changed over the years. The method of choice today is Palestinian vote.

In order to vote as a citizen of Israel, one must be confirmed as a Jew (by descent from one's mother).

Today there are more Arab Muslims living within the boundaries of the State of Israel than Jewish citizens. Israeli law allows them to live work and exercise their faith as long as it's done peacefully. What's the problem?

The problem is that Arab desires to destroy Israel cannot be attained by force of arms. The method of choice is the vote. If Palestinians are allowed to vote it wouldn't take long at all for Israel to be voted into oblivion by popular ballot.

The media promotes Arab assertions because of their influence over oil. One way or the other, Arab attacks upon Israel have always been promoted by overt war or by threat of oil restriction. Today Israel is being accused of apartheid, racism, when in fact Palestinians have the same rights and privileges as anyone else - except for the vote.

The root issue is the destruction of Israel by Arabs. The current method is to demand voting rights for Palestinians.

Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Isreal existing (at least in a previously populated area) would contradict international law, because it is dependent upon genocide happening.
 
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kaylagrl

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Isreal existing (at least in a previously populated area) would contradict international law, because it is dependent upon genocide happening.
Israel is in the land God gave to them in the OT, at least part of the land. The Palestinians do not own the land.
 
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Israel is in the land God gave to them in the OT, at least part of the land. The Palestinians do not own the land.
Please tell me who the land belongs to.
 
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kaylagrl

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Please tell me who the land belongs to.
God, but He gave it to the Jewish people in the Abraham Covenant. So you could say they are co -owners.
 

Gideon300

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I'll look into it. Something other than cbn would be nice. They've been on a downward spiral for a few years now. I only stay for the uplifting stories and I wont deny there journalism on pop culture in general is very out of touch and sometimes downright hilarious ( especially the ones about video games, with all that's going a good laugh is something I appreciate.) Well either way I will support Israel in someway, as I'm called to do so. As for who did what I just pray it stops at this point. To many innocent people on both sides have died.
Just remember that the people of Gaza voted in Hamas. Hamas have one agenda: the eradication of the state of Israel. Israel is not going to give up without a fight. Palestinian children are taught from birth that Israel is the enemy. There will never be real peace until the right of Israel to exist is recognised by all, especially Iran. Pray for Iran. The people are Persian, not Arab, and have no real problem with Israel. It's the hard line Muslim leaders who are the problem. The Lord can bring them down just as He has many other Antichrist leaders.
 

Gideon300

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When you are defending yourself, how in the world can you be accused of genocide? This is more Leftist nonsense. Someone needs to commit genocide on all the lying Leftist media.

Israel has every right to defend itself, and if it means wiping out Gaza then so be it. But what they really need to do is wipe out the mullahs and ayatollahs of Iran. Those are the scoundrels behind this bloodshed. After that they need to send some Israeli Special Forces to the White House and arrest Biden (since he started all of this). He needs to be tried for crimes against humanity.
Apart from your remarks about Biden, I agree with you completely. Iran is the real enemy, not the people, but as you say, the leaders of Iran. it demonstrates how little real power the UN has. All it can do is make unenforceable resolutions and make speeches. It should be disbanded immediately. I doubt anyone would notice.
 

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Who are the 'Jewish' people?
God gave the "promised land" to Israel and her descendants. You know about the 12 tribes. There was a civil war between the tribes after David's death. The Northern Kingdom was called Israel and the Southern Judea. The Northern kingdom effectively ceased to exist but the Southern Kingdom endured to the time of Christ. They maintained The Law and their religious identity, even under Greek, then Roman rule.

The Jews (taken from the tribal name Judah) rejected Lord Jesus. On account of this and the persecution of the early church, God allowed first the destruction of the temple and then the destruction of the nation of Israel. Some Jews remained but most scattered to Europe. The land came under Muslim rule and eventually under the control of the Ottoman empire (now Turkey).

The Jews retain their identity wherever they settle. Satan hates all people, but especially God's people. Jews have been persecuted for centuries. By a series of miracles, they now have a homeland. This is according to God's promise. It is a much smaller area than God gave them. That will change one day. And NEVER were the descendants of Ishmael (modern day Arabs) promised that land. (Read Genesis 17 for the full story).
 
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'Arab' and 'descendent of the original Jews' are not mutually exclusive.

The promise, through Abraham, was to the Jews. Isaac was the one the covenant was made through, not Ishmael. Israel, the Jews, the land belongs to them.
 
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Please tell me who the land belongs to.
Your anti-Semitic attitude is disgusting. Jew haters multiply today and the facts of history, scripture and international law seem to have no impact on their hateful rhetoric.

God gave the land to the Jews.

The Bible chronicles the divine act quite clearly. The Qur'an ALSO chronicles the FACT that Allah gave the land to the Jews. Mohammad [pbuh] is quoted in the Muslim holy book;

And We made the people who were deemed weak to inherit the eastern lands and the western ones which We had blessed; and the good word of your Lord was fulfilled in the children of Israel because they bore up (sufferings) patiently; and We utterly destroyed what Firon (pharapoh) and his people had wrought and what they built. - Qur’an 7.137

And when Musa (Moses) said to his people: O my people! remember the favor of Allah upon you when He raised prophets among you and made you kings and gave you what He had not given to any other among the nations. O my people! enter the holy land which Allah has prescribed for you and turn not on your backs for then you will turn back losers. - Our’an 5.20-21

And We said to the Israelites after him: Dwell in the land: and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment. - Qur’an 17.104

And.surely they purposed to unsettle you from the land that they might expel you from it, and in that case they will not tarry behind you but a little. - Qur’an 17.76 (prophecy of attempts to remove Jews from Palestine)

History records that Palestinian squatters sat on the land for a thousand years and did nothing with it. Jews arrived and turned the desert into a garden. Today the squatters want what they didn't work for and demand what they don't deserve.

According to International Law, the Jewish State of Israel has a right to exist. Arabs don't acknowledge international law and have been subverting it since 1947 when it was passed by majority vote of nations. Palestinians, as Arab squatters, don't recognize law of any kind except that which comes from a gun or bomb.

This isn't an Islamic issue, either. Most Muslims from other countries, Turkey for instance, consider Arab Muslims to be the low class "mules" of Islam. The term isn't mine, but theirs.

There is a LOT of racism causing the political pot to boil. Most of it is Arabic in nature, but many Jew haters in other countries adopt the attitude and blame Israel for matters of which they are completely innocent.

The current tactic of Palestinian squatters is to gain voting rights in Israel.

According to Israeli law, only Jews can be certified as citizens of Israel. Citizens can vote. Currently there are more Muslims living in Israel than Jews. The attack thus rests on the vote. If Palestinians have the vote it won't be long before the State of Israel is voted into oblivion by popular ballot. Palestinians claim their rights, of which they neither possess nor deserve, are being racially blocked when in fact it is they who desire the death of every Jew in Israel.

"I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you." - Genesis 12:3

May God continue to bless Israel and curse those who usurp God's divine plan for His people.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 
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The promise, through Abraham, was to the Jews. Isaac was the one the covenant was made through, not Ishmael. Israel, the Jews, the land belongs to them.
Who are the Jews?
 
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Your anti-Semitic attitude is disgusting. Jew haters multiply today and the facts of history, scripture and international law seem to have no impact on their hateful rhetoric.

God gave the land to the Jews.

The Bible chronicles the divine act quite clearly. The Qur'an ALSO chronicles the FACT that Allah gave the land to the Jews. Mohammad [pbuh] is quoted in the Muslim holy book;

And We made the people who were deemed weak to inherit the eastern lands and the western ones which We had blessed; and the good word of your Lord was fulfilled in the children of Israel because they bore up (sufferings) patiently; and We utterly destroyed what Firon (pharapoh) and his people had wrought and what they built. - Qur’an 7.137

And when Musa (Moses) said to his people: O my people! remember the favor of Allah upon you when He raised prophets among you and made you kings and gave you what He had not given to any other among the nations. O my people! enter the holy land which Allah has prescribed for you and turn not on your backs for then you will turn back losers. - Our’an 5.20-21

And We said to the Israelites after him: Dwell in the land: and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment. - Qur’an 17.104

And.surely they purposed to unsettle you from the land that they might expel you from it, and in that case they will not tarry behind you but a little. - Qur’an 17.76 (prophecy of attempts to remove Jews from Palestine)

History records that Palestinian squatters sat on the land for a thousand years and did nothing with it. Jews arrived and turned the desert into a garden. Today the squatters want what they didn't work for and demand what they don't deserve.

According to International Law, the Jewish State of Israel has a right to exist. Arabs don't acknowledge international law and have been subverting it since 1947 when it was passed by majority vote of nations. Palestinians, as Arab squatters, don't recognize law of any kind except that which comes from a gun or bomb.

This isn't an Islamic issue, either. Most Muslims from other countries, Turkey for instance, consider Arab Muslims to be the low class "mules" of Islam. The term isn't mine, but theirs.

There is a LOT of racism causing the political pot to boil. Most of it is Arabic in nature, but many Jew haters in other countries adopt the attitude and blame Israel for matters of which they are completely innocent.

The current tactic of Palestinian squatters is to gain voting rights in Israel.

According to Israeli law, only Jews can be certified as citizens of Israel. Citizens can vote. Currently there are more Muslims living in Israel than Jews. The attack thus rests on the vote. If Palestinians have the vote it won't be long before the State of Israel is voted into oblivion by popular ballot. Palestinians claim their rights, of which they neither possess nor deserve, are being racially blocked when in fact it is they who desire the death of every Jew in Israel.

"I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you." - Genesis 12:3

May God continue to bless Israel and curse those who usurp God's divine plan for His people.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
How am I being 'anti-Semitic'?

It is in the OT that the land is promised to 'the Jews'. Who are the Jews?
 

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It is in the OT that the land is promised to 'the Jews'. Who are the Jews?
Not "the Jews" but the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Not Ishmael (from whom the Arabs have descended). And not the Edomites, nor the Moabites nor the Ammonites. The land of Canaan was given to the Israelites and the land of Arabia was given to the Ishmaelites. Following the dispersion of the Jews from Palestine after 70 AD that land was occupied by Arabs and Muslims.

But the Crusaders tried to oust them from it, and did not succeed. So it eventually became of part of the Ottoman empire. After that empire was dissolved following WWI, the British acquired Palestine as a protectorate, and it was the British who gave a portion of Palestine to the Zionists. Thus the nation of Israel was established in 1948.

It is only after the Second Coming of Christ that all of Palestine and additional territory from the Nile to the Euphrates will become Greater Israel, and the twelve tribes of Israel will be established on that land. But all those who are redeemed and restored will believe on the Lord Jesus Christ first.
 

Dino246

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Genocide is commanded by God in Deuteronomy. It is God's will.
Yes, it was commanded in a specific context at a specific period in history for a specific purpose. Claiming it is "God's will" with the clear implication that it is still God's general will is ignorant and foolish.
 
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Yes, it was commanded in a specific context at a specific period in history for a specific purpose. Claiming it is "God's will" with the clear implication that it is still God's general will is ignorant and foolish.
Well I guess we'll have to wait and see what God says about it now.