Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?
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The Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, and given to the Church, who is bringing forth the fruit
It appears that Christian Zionism in (Dual Covenant Theology) has blinded your eyes to this biblical truth
The Church is the Israel of God, Children Of The Promised Seed
Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel if God, children if the promised seed, it's that simple
The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again
Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church
Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)
(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
(2) National Ethnic Israel
The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed
They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
It appears that Christian Zionism in (Dual Covenant Theology) has blinded your eyes to this biblical truth
The Church is the Israel of God, Children Of The Promised Seed
Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel if God, children if the promised seed, it's that simple
The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again
Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church
Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)
(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
(2) National Ethnic Israel
The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed
They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
The Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, and given to the Church, who is bringing forth the fruit
It appears that Christian Zionism in (Dual Covenant Theology) has blinded your eyes to this biblical truth
The Church is the Israel of God, Children Of The Promised Seed
Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel if God, children if the promised seed, it's that simple
The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again
Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church
Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)
(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
(2) National Ethnic Israel
The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed
They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
It appears that Christian Zionism in (Dual Covenant Theology) has blinded your eyes to this biblical truth
The Church is the Israel of God, Children Of The Promised Seed
Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel if God, children if the promised seed, it's that simple
The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again
Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church
Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)
(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
(2) National Ethnic Israel
The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed
They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
The seed is not simply Jesus, it is the Church. You contradict yourself by quoting for us (thanks):
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The Church is alive, growing....your statement
The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ,
needs a tense update
The promises made to Abraham ARE BEING fulfilled in Jesus Christ,
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NOW YOU ARE FREE. YOU CAN GO AND HUNT DOWN ALL THE PROMISES GOD MADE TO THE CHURCH
Sorry pal, Jesus Christ is the actual singular seed that grew in the womb of Mary, and the Church takes part in that seed that grew in Mary "By Faith", becoming children of that individual seed who is Jesus Christ
The promises made to Abraham are being fulfilled, and will cease when the last Soul is added to (Israel the Church) on earth, then "All Israel Will Be Saved"
Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The promises made to Abraham are being fulfilled, and will cease when the last Soul is added to (Israel the Church) on earth, then "All Israel Will Be Saved"
Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Here is the Abrahamic covenant
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
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Romans 11 Kjv
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
"12 and if the fall of them [/Israel] is the riches of a world, and the diminution of them [/Israel] the riches of nations, how much more the fulness [G4138 - plērōma ] of them [/Israel]?
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15 For if the casting away of them [/Israel] be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?"
...where this passage (like other passages) LIKENS this UNTO a "resurrection"
[same as in Ezek37:12-14,20-23, and Hos5:14-6:3, and Dan12:1-4,10, and Isa26:15-21, and others... ALL re: Israel's "FUTURE," which likens this unto 'a resurrection, just like v.15, above ^ (...and I would add John 6:39 also ['that of all THAT'], as distinct from 6:40 ['every one WHO'])]
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15 For if the casting away of them [/Israel] be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?"
...where this passage (like other passages) LIKENS this UNTO a "resurrection"
[same as in Ezek37:12-14,20-23, and Hos5:14-6:3, and Dan12:1-4,10, and Isa26:15-21, and others... ALL re: Israel's "FUTURE," which likens this unto 'a resurrection, just like v.15, above ^ (...and I would add John 6:39 also ['that of all THAT'], as distinct from 6:40 ['every one WHO'])]
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I certainly don't think you are anti-semitic 7.
I think you passionately and honestly believe what you say.
You could say that those who unequivocally endorse the actions of the Israel State are anti-semitic, if one believed that the actions of the Israel State were ultimately prejudicial to the well-being of the Jews.
I think you passionately and honestly believe what you say.
You could say that those who unequivocally endorse the actions of the Israel State are anti-semitic, if one believed that the actions of the Israel State were ultimately prejudicial to the well-being of the Jews.
Regarding your view that God has dropped Israel after she has served her baby-producing function,
this doesn't really stack up with what Jesus said.
Matthew 23:39
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Equally why did the apostles, afte 40 days of having the scriptures explained to them, ask if now was the time that Jesus would restore the Kingdom to Israel? And why did Jesus not refute their presupposition?
this doesn't really stack up with what Jesus said.
Matthew 23:39
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Equally why did the apostles, afte 40 days of having the scriptures explained to them, ask if now was the time that Jesus would restore the Kingdom to Israel? And why did Jesus not refute their presupposition?
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Matthew 23:39
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
At what time would modern Jews say such a thing?
Even only one morden Jew say that ?
Is it possible for only one Jew to say this?
Is it must for all Jews to say this?
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
At what time would modern Jews say such a thing?
Even only one morden Jew say that ?
Is it possible for only one Jew to say this?
Is it must for all Jews to say this?
I think all the prophets who were murdered died as a result of challenging Priestly Authority -whether they were killed in Jerusalem or not. And Jesus suffered the same fate. Jeremiah's ability to directly contradict the Temple Soothsayers meant that they tried to kill him several times - before he was finally murdered in Egypt.
... the verses in Jeremiah with "prophet" and "sent" (as far as I can tell)... interesting... :1. Jeremiah 7:25
Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
2. Jeremiah 14:14
Then the Lord said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
3. Jeremiah 14:15
Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.
4. Jeremiah 23:21
I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
5. Jeremiah 25:4
And the Lord hath sent unto you all his servants the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.
6. Jeremiah 26:5
To hearken to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I sent unto you, both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened;
7. Jeremiah 27:15
For I have not sent them, saith the Lord, yet they prophesy a lie in my name; that I might drive you out, and that ye might perish, ye, and the prophets that prophesy unto you.
8. Jeremiah 28:9
The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the Lord hath truly sent him.
9. Jeremiah 28:15
Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The Lord hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.
10. Jeremiah 29:19
Because they have not hearkened to my words, saith the Lord, which I sent unto them by my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them; but ye would not hear, saith the Lord.
11. Jeremiah 35:15
I have sent also unto you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me.
12. Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate.
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