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Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?
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I agree, the day/year teaching is just that 
Numbers 14:34. The Israelites will wander for 40 years in the wilderness, one year for every day spent by the spies in Canaan.
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"The 62 weeks are future, and will take 434 days of ..."
You totally made that up on your own.
You wanna know how I know you made it up (besides the other points I've already mentioned)?
The text itself states "7 weeks/sevens AND 62 weeks/sevens"... and you have only mentioned the "62 weeks [/sevens]" and completely LEFT OUT *any mention* of what the text itself refers to ALSO: the "7 weeks/sevens"...
WHY IS that??
...where ARE they, in your supposed scenario??
[and that's not even getting to the "FOR ONE WEEK [one set of 7 yrs]" part, further down in v.27a ]
You totally made that up on your own.
You wanna know how I know you made it up (besides the other points I've already mentioned)?
The text itself states "7 weeks/sevens AND 62 weeks/sevens"... and you have only mentioned the "62 weeks [/sevens]" and completely LEFT OUT *any mention* of what the text itself refers to ALSO: the "7 weeks/sevens"...
WHY IS that??
...where ARE they, in your supposed scenario??
[and that's not even getting to the "FOR ONE WEEK [one set of 7 yrs]" part, further down in v.27a
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"The 62 weeks are future, and will take 434 days of ..."
You totally made that up on your own.
You wanna know how I know you made it up (besides the other points I've already mentioned)?
The text itself states "7 weeks/sevens AND 62 weeks/sevens"... and you have only mentioned the "62 weeks [/sevens]" and completely LEFT OUT *any mention* of what the text itself refers to ALSO: the "7 weeks/sevens"...
WHY IS that??
...where ARE they, in your supposed scenario??
[and that's not even getting to the "FOR ONE WEEK [one set of 7 yrs]" part, further down in v.27a ]
You totally made that up on your own.
You wanna know how I know you made it up (besides the other points I've already mentioned)?
The text itself states "7 weeks/sevens AND 62 weeks/sevens"... and you have only mentioned the "62 weeks [/sevens]" and completely LEFT OUT *any mention* of what the text itself refers to ALSO: the "7 weeks/sevens"...
WHY IS that??
...where ARE they, in your supposed scenario??
[and that's not even getting to the "FOR ONE WEEK [one set of 7 yrs]" part, further down in v.27a
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Muslims are being saved in Israel by the hundreds. Same with jews. But the fear is from the culture.
To not only be exiles but killed. It's a serious matter in the middle east it's not taken lightly.
Evangelical messianic rabbis are pouring into Israel as we speak. The power of the Holy Spirit is moving very fast.
There are even safe houses set up for converts.
The days of grace are getting short...God is calling to his people. Jesus is at the door.
To not only be exiles but killed. It's a serious matter in the middle east it's not taken lightly.
Evangelical messianic rabbis are pouring into Israel as we speak. The power of the Holy Spirit is moving very fast.
There are even safe houses set up for converts.
The days of grace are getting short...God is calling to his people. Jesus is at the door.
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I agree with what is before your eyes
Only The Remnant Elect Jew, Those Whom God Foreknew, Will Be Saved And Added To "Israel The Church" On Earth
"Israel Is The Church", Children Of The Promised Seed
All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Added To "Israel The Church" On Earth
Romans 11:2KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
Romans 11:5-7KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Romans 11:28KJV
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Only The Remnant Elect Jew, Those Whom God Foreknew, Will Be Saved And Added To "Israel The Church" On Earth
"Israel Is The Church", Children Of The Promised Seed
All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Added To "Israel The Church" On Earth
Romans 11:2KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
Romans 11:5-7KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Romans 11:28KJV
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
You are saying that only those Jews who are saved are the election, but that is not what the scripture says.
As concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election they are beloved for the sakes of the fathers for the gifts and call of God are without repentance
So according to election it is the enemies [not the believing remnant] who are beloved.
And it was not the believing remnant who handed Jesus over to be crucified but the enemies of the gospel, without the enemies of the gospel we could not be saved.
THAT is why the gifts and call of God cannot be revoked, that is what election is all about.
ALL Israel will be saved .... that's what Paul said.
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Only those whom God foreknew will be elected to salvation, just as all believers in Jesus Christ are chosen and elected
You bend and twist the very clear words of God before your eyes, in suggesting all National Ethnic Jews will be saved
"Israel Hath Not Obtained"
"The Election Hath Obtained"
All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Saved, And Added To The Church On Earth
Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
Romans 11:1-8KJV
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
The Church Elect, According To Gods Forknowledge, As Seen In Romans 11:2 Above
1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
You bend and twist the very clear words of God before your eyes, in suggesting all National Ethnic Jews will be saved
"Israel Hath Not Obtained"
"The Election Hath Obtained"
All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Saved, And Added To The Church On Earth
Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
Romans 11:1-8KJV
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.The Church Elect, According To Gods Forknowledge, As Seen In Romans 11:2 Above
1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Only those whom God foreknew will be elected to salvation, just as all believers in Jesus Christ are chosen and elected
You bend and twist the very clear words of God before your eyes, in suggesting all Natiinal Ethnic Jews will be saved
"Israel Hath Not Obtained"
"The Election Hath Obtained"
All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Saved, And Added To The Church On Earth
Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
Romans 11:1-8KJV
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
The Church Elect, According To Gods Forknowledge, As Seen In Romans 11:2 Above
1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
You bend and twist the very clear words of God before your eyes, in suggesting all Natiinal Ethnic Jews will be saved
"Israel Hath Not Obtained"
"The Election Hath Obtained"
All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Saved, And Added To The Church On Earth
Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
Romans 11:1-8KJV
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.The Church Elect, According To Gods Forknowledge, As Seen In Romans 11:2 Above
1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Hath God cast away His people God forbid
God has not cast away His people which He foreknew
Paul also speaks about the hardening or blindness as being partial and only until the full number of the Gentiles be come in
And so ALL Israel will be saved.
If you understand that the remnant is there to save the whole it makes sense for in Elijah's day it was the remnant which turned the whole nation back to Jevovah beginning at Mt Carmel.
What "all Israel" means is a debatable point I admit. But what is clear is that Israel has not fared as Sodom and Gomorrah, God didn't destroy them. He chucked them off the land as He said He would
... He also said He would bring them back in the latter days.
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The Church Has Been Elected By God, He Foreknows All Who Will Be Saved And Elected To Salvation, Just As The Remnant Seen In Romans 11:2 Beliw
Gods Words Are Plain And Simple, You Have No Private Interpretation To Gods Words Below
1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
"Israel Hath Not Obtained"
"The Election Hath Obtained"
All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Saved, And Added To The Church On Earth
Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
Romans 11:1-8KJV
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
Gods Words Are Plain And Simple, You Have No Private Interpretation To Gods Words Below
1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
"Israel Hath Not Obtained"
"The Election Hath Obtained"
All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Saved, And Added To The Church On Earth
Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
Romans 11:1-8KJV
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
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