About the great flood

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soberxp

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A lot of debate is whether the flood is global
But I found that we suddenly ignored one thing
It's the Red Sea separated in Exodus
Since God can separate the Red Sea, God can also do it in a big flood.
It may sound contradictory
But in the Old Testament,
God always has a surplus of preparation
For example, God said :I left thousands of people to myself.

So........
What I wonder is why there are records of a relatively large flood in many parts of the world.
 
Moses_Young

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soberxp said:
A lot of debate is whether the flood is global
But I found that we suddenly ignored one thing
It's the Red Sea separated in Exodus
Since God can separate the Red Sea, God can also do it in a big flood.
It may sound contradictory
But in the Old Testament,
God always has a surplus of preparation
For example, God said :I left thousands of people to myself.

So........
What I wonder is why there are records of a relatively large flood in many parts of the world.
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Because there was a worldwide flood, as recorded in scripture.
 
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soberxp said:
A lot of debate is whether the flood is global
But I found that we suddenly ignored one thing
It's the Red Sea separated in Exodus
Since God can separate the Red Sea, God can also do it in a big flood.
It may sound contradictory
But in the Old Testament,
God always has a surplus of preparation
For example, God said :I left thousands of people to myself.

So........
What I wonder is why there are records of a relatively large flood in many parts of the world.
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Because there really was a universal flood. You might like to look up Dr Walt Brown. He's written a fascinating book on the subject. I'm not sure I agree with all of it, but he skewers evolution and makes a good case for the universal flood.
 
soberxp

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I mean,The family of Noah were not the only one that survived
 
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1 Peter 3:20, among many....
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Can we say that 1 Peter 3:20 only eight people were saved by Noah's Ark,and others were saved by
Mercy of God
 
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soberxp said:
A lot of debate is whether the flood is global
But I found that we suddenly ignored one thing
It's the Red Sea separated in Exodus
Since God can separate the Red Sea, God can also do it in a big flood.
It may sound contradictory
But in the Old Testament,
God always has a surplus of preparation
For example, God said :I left thousands of people to myself.

So........
What I wonder is why there are records of a relatively large flood in many parts of the world.
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The Ohio flood 1913 was large, not universal. Large flood stories does not prove an Universal Flood.
 
Dino246

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Several people have presented sound biblically-based cases for a local flood. The cases I've come across have this in common: the language used indicates the whole world as the biblical author(s) knew it. Ultimately, that neither proves nor disproves a local flood.

In contrast, there is geological evidence all around the world of a massive flood.
 
OrphanedRepublican

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49 said:
1 Peter 3:20, among many....
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I've had a theory about that particular verse and the one preceding it.

Because of the totality of lives lost (other than the 8 souls saved in the ark) I believe that these souls, Noah, his wife, his 3 sons and their wives, were the "prisoners in prison" in verse 1 Peter 3:19.

I discussed this theory online with a pastor who completely disagreed with me. No surprise there. He had other ideas about trapped angels in prison. People think angels are all these powerful ministering spirits in heaven. But, not all. Some of them are quite ordinary people, sometimes disobedient, imprisoned by their sins, yet as we know of Noah, preached righteousness. He was not perfect, but he definitely qualifies as an angel. He and his family definitely qualify (description wise) as prisoners in prison.

But, 1 Peter 3:19 is a puzzling verse that I think is clarified in the following verse which identifies that only 8 souls were saved. To me, that identifies the prisoners in prison to be Noah and his whole family.
 
soberxp

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OrphanedRepublican said:
I've had a theory about that particular verse and the one preceding it.

Because of the totality of lives lost (other than the 8 souls saved in the ark) I believe that these souls, Noah, his wife, his 3 sons and their wives, were the "prisoners in prison" in verse 1 Peter 3:19.

I discussed this theory online with a pastor who completely disagreed with me. No surprise there. He had other ideas about trapped angels in prison. People think angels are all these powerful ministering spirits in heaven. But, not all. Some of them are quite ordinary people, sometimes disobedient, imprisoned by their sins, yet as we know of Noah, preached righteousness. He was not perfect, but he definitely qualifies as an angel. He and his family definitely qualify (description wise) as prisoners in prison.

But, 1 Peter 3:19 is a puzzling verse that I think is clarified in the following verse which identifies that only 8 souls were saved. To me, that identifies the prisoners in prison to be Noah and his whole family.
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Good point!
 
Dino246

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OrphanedRepublican said:
I've had a theory about that particular verse and the one preceding it.

Because of the totality of lives lost (other than the 8 souls saved in the ark) I believe that these souls, Noah, his wife, his 3 sons and their wives, were the "prisoners in prison" in verse 1 Peter 3:19.

I discussed this theory online with a pastor who completely disagreed with me. No surprise there. He had other ideas about trapped angels in prison. People think angels are all these powerful ministering spirits in heaven. But, not all. Some of them are quite ordinary people, sometimes disobedient, imprisoned by their sins, yet as we know of Noah, preached righteousness. He was not perfect, but he definitely qualifies as an angel. He and his family definitely qualify (description wise) as prisoners in prison.

But, 1 Peter 3:19 is a puzzling verse that I think is clarified in the following verse which identifies that only 8 souls were saved. To me, that identifies the prisoners in prison to be Noah and his whole family.
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It makes perfect sense that the online pastor disagreed with you, because you are incorrect.

The grammatical structure of 1 Peter 3:19-20 makes it perfectly clear that Noah and his family are not the spirits in prison. Here are the verses from the NIV and NASB to illustrate (with my notes in square brackets):

NIV: After being made alive, he [Jesus] went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it [the ark] only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water

NASB: in which He [Jesus} also went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison, 20 who once were disobedient when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.

In both versions, the "when" indicates a distinction between the clause before and the clause after. The rules of grammar simply don't allow your conclusion to be valid.
 
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Dino246 said:
It makes perfect sense that the online pastor disagreed with you, because you are incorrect.

The grammatical structure of 1 Peter 3:19-20 makes it perfectly clear that Noah and his family are not the spirits in prison. Here are the verses from the NIV and NASB to illustrate (with my notes in square brackets):

NIV: After being made alive, he [Jesus] went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it [the ark] only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water

NASB: in which He [Jesus} also went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison, 20 who once were disobedient when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.

In both versions, the "when" indicates a distinction between the clause before and the clause after. The rules of grammar simply don't allow your conclusion to be valid.
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good night all

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/rwp/1-peter-3.html#verse-19
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/jfu/1-peter-3.html#verse-19

See Word Studies by Robertson and by Vincent.
 
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soberxp said:
A lot of debate is whether the flood is global
But I found that we suddenly ignored one thing
It's the Red Sea separated in Exodus
Since God can separate the Red Sea, God can also do it in a big flood.
It may sound contradictory
But in the Old Testament,
God always has a surplus of preparation
For example, God said :I left thousands of people to myself.

So........
What I wonder is why there are records of a relatively large flood in many parts of the world.
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God can do anything, and yes there are some record about the flood in many part of the world including among Native American.
 
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The Creation Museum just across the Ohio border in Kentucky has a lot of data on this.

I remember reading Noah's Ark: I touched it by Fernand Navarra when I was a kid. This book preface contained different stories from multiple cultures about a great flood. I believe in the flood (#1 - because it's in God's word!) and two because of my own experience with wildlife and how death is handled in the wild.

ok - THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.

I think dinosaurs did not make it on the ark. I think they were drowned, covered up in huge mud slides, and that's why we see their skeletal remains sometimes almost intact, or at least their bones are in close proximity to each other. I know for a fact that's not natural.

Having lived in the woods in middle Georgia for three years, I was used to seeing dead animals close to the house once in a while. Usually, it was deer that had been wounded by careless hunters (hunters that shot before making sure they had a good killing bead on the prey). A dead deer lies in the wild about a week, maybe two. After that, there is not a trace of the animal - not a trace. If the dinosaurs had died a normal wildlife death, they would not be in the state we have found them in.

That's solidifies my belief that the flood killed these animals and their bodies were covered by silt/mud to arrive at what in the more or less remarkable condition we find them in today.

Again, just my opinion.
 
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soberxp said:
What I wonder is why there are records of a relatively large flood in many parts of the world.
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Because it was a global flood. Please read The Genesis Flood by Whitcomb and Morris.
 
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