Did the tree of knowledge scene take place in Adam and Eve's head? Did the talking snake whisper in their ear like he does today?

[pittsburghjoe]

Is the fruit of evil, concepts like lust and money?
Did Satan lie/convince/tempt Adam and Eve to eat/participate/choose?

Is death a perception tree of choices that includes evil acts and blinds us to God (The Way)?

Is the fruit of man's carnal knowledge, evil? Did satan cause the first evil idea/fruit? Did it only count after we acted (ate) on the evil idea?
Is the fruit of the spirit the good? Is the good and evil of the Tree of Knowledge the fruits/choices?

Has man always been the tree of knowledge or did we become it?

death/sin hides The Way to the level of spirit/life, God wants in us for righteousness. satan is trying to hide The Way to renew our spirit.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

satan's lie, that we could make our own rules (evil fruit), is an illusion of being separated from God. It's a path of doubt. It is death to God's point of view because we are using His spirit to sin which causes God to stop knowing us on a Holy-Spiritual level. sin causes us to be destined to the lake of fire where there will be real separation?

Is real separation possible? Can a soul be separated from Christ after Judgement but not God the Father?

 

[Dino246]

Did the tree of knowledge scene take place in Adam and Eve's head? Did the talking snake whisper in their ear like he does today?

Again, no, and no.

 

[4ChristAlone]

Its an interesting question, because we know that old serpent, is the Devil, and Satan (Rev 22:2) and Satan can fill the heart as Peter pointed out in Acts 5:3 just as in Mark 4:14 Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. So the whispering in the ear (so to speak) does not seem all that far fetched.

Besides, when Satan wanted to touch Jobs flesh and bone (that he would curse God to his face) and God gave him permission to touch his flesh and bone, most people see only the sores inflicted on Jobs personal body but just as Eve is the flesh and bone of Adam (unto whom Adam hearkened) when Jobs wife (his flesh and bone) began to whisper in Jobs ear to curse God and die (which was the same voice of the serpent). Job did not hearken to the voice of his wife (as did Adam) but to the contrary he reproved her.

 

[crossnote]

pfffft, if Chap 3 was in their head, then so was chapters 1&2. Only someone on drugs would dream of such a thing. Why would the two be hallucinating the same thing.
Here is an example from chap 2...

Genesis 2:8 (KJV) And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

 

[crossnote]

Is the fruit of evil, concepts like lust and money?
Did Satan lie/convince/tempt Adam and Eve to eat/participate/choose?

Is death a perception tree of choices that includes evil acts and blinds us to God (The Way)?

Is the fruit of man's carnal knowledge, evil? Did satan cause the first evil idea/fruit? Did it only count after we acted (ate) on the evil idea?
Is the fruit of the spirit the good? Is the good and evil of the Tree of Knowledge the fruits/choices?

Has man always been the tree of knowledge or did we become it?

death/sin hides The Way to the level of spirit/life, God wants in us for righteousness. satan is trying to hide The Way to renew our spirit.

PJ, you are thinking too much like a fallen adult...

Mark 10:15 (KJV) Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

 

[4ChristAlone]

Is real separation possible? Can a soul be separated from Christ after Judgement but not God the Father?

If you do not have Christ you do not have the Father, you can catch why a little better through a few of the following verses for example

God was speaking to Moses here concerning Christ who would be raised us saying (See John 5:46 & Acts 7:37 also)

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

So he would put his words in his mouth and speak all that is commanded of him as Jesus said,

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Next verse in Deut

Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Jesus said this about what would judge one in the last day

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Who's words were they? They were the Father's words spoken by Jesus, (See John 17:8 also) who said the word I have spoken (which given him of the Father) shall be the same that shall judge him in the last day.

Not quite sure what you might mean when you say, "Can a soul be separated from Christ after Judgement but not God the Father?"

Only because we know that it is by Christ we come to the Father at all.

And the same with the doctrine shown between them here

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

And because as Jesus said,

John 7:16 My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

 

[pottersclay]

Does this post really warrant a answer?

 

[4ChristAlone]

PJ, you are thinking too much like a fallen adult...

Mark 10:15 (KJV) Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

I remember asking the Lord about what it meant to become as a child, because I was like, how do you become a child and yet put away childish things? Because children are children and you want us to become as little children right? And this verse smacked me in the face lol

1Cr 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding:
howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

Well that sure cleared things up a bit, children are not malicious, they learn it. They tell us to put off these things from us, laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings. Converting from that to a little child, and putting on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering

 

[crossnote]

I remember asking the Lord about what it meant to become as a child, because I was like, how do you become a child and yet put away childish things? Because children are children and you want us to become as little children right? And this verse smacked me in the face lol

1Cr 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding:
howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

Well that sure cleared things up a bit, children are not malicious, they learn it. They tell us to put off these things from us, laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings. Converting from that to a little child, and putting on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering

A good example in Scripture of being like a child would be...


Luke 1:30-31,34-35,38 ESV
[30] And the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. [31] And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. [34] And Mary said to the angel, "How will this be, since I am a virgin?" [35] And the angel answered her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy-the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, "Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

If you do not have Christ you do not have the Father, you can catch why a little better through a few of the following verses for example

God was speaking to Moses here concerning Christ who would be raised us saying (See John 5:46 & Acts 7:37 also)

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

So he would put his words in his mouth and speak all that is commanded of him as Jesus said,

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Next verse in Deut

Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Jesus said this about what would judge one in the last day

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Who's words were they? They were the Father's words spoken by Jesus, (See John 17:8 also) who said the word I have spoken (which given him of the Father) shall be the same that shall judge him in the last day.

Not quite sure what you might mean when you say, "Can a soul be separated from Christ after Judgement but not God the Father?"

Only because we know that it is by Christ we come to the Father at all.

And the same with the doctrine shown between them here

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

And because as Jesus said,

John 7:16 My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

Yes, Christ is the Bridge to The Father.

I'm trying to figure out if and when separation happens. Is it for those right now who are a child of the devil?

Everyone who commits sin is a child of the devil; for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The Son of God was revealed for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8 (via John Cadoret )

 

[crossnote]

I'm trying to figure out if and when separation happens. Is it for those right now who are a child of the devil?

Eternal separation doesn’t happen to those born again but to the unbeliever it happened in the Garden of Eden.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Eternal separation doesn’t happen to those born again but to the unbeliever it happened in the Garden of Eden.

Are there levels of separation? Is there a difference for those going to the lake of fire?

 

[crossnote]

Are there levels of separation? Is there a difference for those going to the lake of fire?

No there is only ‘connected’ or ‘disconnected’. Are you connectd to Jesus Christ in His death,burial and resurrection?

 

[4ChristAlone]

Yes, Christ is the Bridge to The Father.

I'm trying to figure out if and when separation happens. Is it for those right now who are a child of the devil?

Everyone who commits sin is a child of the devil; for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The Son of God was revealed for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8 (via John Cadoret )

Are you talking about the separation here?

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats

Then this separation

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

As separated here

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Thats one place that speaks of separation, other then how the scripture speaks of separation I don't know if I am understanding you correctly. Unless you are talking about how that through the Spirit we also put to death the deeds of the body and how that might relate to Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

 

[4ChristAlone]

The gifts and calling of God are without repentence

Psalm 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

I dont see any separation there because it includes the rebellious also. He shall teach sinners in the way, so while we were yet sinners Christ died for us, but not so that we would live the rest of our time in the flesh to the lusts of men but the will of God.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Are you talking about the separation here?

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats

Then this separation

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

As separated here

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Thats one place that speaks of separation, other then how the scripture speaks of separation I don't know if I am understanding you correctly. Unless you are talking about how that through the Spirit we also put to death the deeds of the body and how that might relate to Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Does forsaken mean you lost your chance to fully connect?

Is a dead spirit ..a spirit at all?

Is the "good" in the tree of knowledge ..only good choices?

 

[4ChristAlone]

Does forsaken mean you lost your chance to fully connect?

Is a dead spirit ..a spirit at all?

Is the "good" in the tree of knowledge ..only good choices?

Never heard of a dead spirit. I heard of a dead body, since without the spirit (of man) in the body itself the body is dead (physically so) whereas without the Spirit of God we are as the walking dead (while living in our bodies, and so alive physically) but are dead to God 1 Ti 5:6 and can actively bury the physically dead Mat 8:22 Beyond that I don't where in scripture it speaks of a dead spirit. unless you are speaking of spirits beyond the realm of the living (upon the earth) as far as it pertains to one who channels spirits (that sort of thing).

And concerning the tree, it is called the knowledge of both good and evil. Them disobeying God in respects to his command concerning it seemed to be more of an experience of evil for forsaking Him in eating from it at all.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Never heard of a dead spirit. I heard of a dead body, since without the spirit (of man) in the body itself the body is dead (physically so) whereas without the Spirit of God we are as the walking dead (while living in our bodies, and so alive physically) but are dead to God 1 Ti 5:6 and can actively bury the physically dead Mat 8:22 Beyond that I don't where in scripture it speaks of a dead spirit. unless you are speaking of spirits beyond the realm of the living (upon the earth) as far as it pertains to one who channels spirits (that sort of thing).

And concerning the tree, it is called the knowledge of both good and evil. Them disobeying God in respects to his command concerning it seemed to be more of an experience of evil for forsaking Him in eating from it at all.

God said we would die ..doesn't that mean spiritually? A dead spirit.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Never heard of a dead spirit. I heard of a dead body, since without the spirit (of man) in the body itself the body is dead (physically so) whereas without the Spirit of God we are as the walking dead (while living in our bodies, and so alive physically) but are dead to God 1 Ti 5:6 and can actively bury the physically dead Mat 8:22 Beyond that I don't where in scripture it speaks of a dead spirit. unless you are speaking of spirits beyond the realm of the living (upon the earth) as far as it pertains to one who channels spirits (that sort of thing).

And concerning the tree, it is called the knowledge of both good and evil. Them disobeying God in respects to his command concerning it seemed to be more of an experience of evil for forsaking Him in eating from it at all.

Does God's Spirit literally resurrect inside us when we are renewed? Or do we need a spirit just to operate these human bodies? Is a dead spirit connected to satan?