Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

[CS1]

God currently gas no covenant with National Ethnic Israel, it's this point you dont want to accept

The Kingdom of God has been taken from them, and given to the Church, who is bringing forth the fruit

It appears that Dispensationalism's Christian Zionism in (Dual Covenant Theology) has blinded your eyes to this biblical truth

The Church is the Israel of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel if God, children if the promised seed, it's that simple

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

why is it types like you have to create a false doctrine so you have something to attack? LOL hahahah

 

[kaylagrl]

Us guys can multi-task..

I live in the south, where the only "tea" you'll find is iced.

 

[CS1]

I live in the south, where the only "tea" you'll find is iced.

don't fur get sweet tea too LOL

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you incapable of understanding Context? Do you know the difference between allegorizing in what is Biblical method of ( wrongly) interpretation and an Allegory which the bible does have?

You didnt answer the direct question, once again

Do you believe the words (Seventy Weeks) below are literal weeks of (Four Hundred Ninety Days) Or Do You Have A Symbolic Representation Of The Literal Words (Seventy Weeks)?

Daniel 9:24KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[kaylagrl]

don't fur get sweet tea too LOL

Umm humm, but it's all cold. Actually sweet is what I meant but they keep it on ice. You get a very odd look if you ask for hot tea.

 

[OldSage]

I live in the south, where the only "tea" you'll find is iced.

Perhaps you can upgrade Harry also while he's in your hands - discalaimer , I like Harry, he's just
a mixed up kid

 

[kaylagrl]

Perhaps you can upgrade Harry also while he's in your hands

That poor child, I think he's a lost cause. I'm wondering how long he'll be the loyal whipped puppy to his American wife before he starts to grow some stones and tell her to be quiet. smh

 

[OldSage]

That poor child, I think he's a lost cause. I'm wondering how long he'll be the loyal whipped puppy to his American wife before he starts to grow some stones and tell her to be quiet. smh

.....Oh man...I'm ringing the RSPCA tout de suite....[Royal Society For Protection Of Cruelty To Animals]

 

[Truth7t7]

why is it types like you have to create a false doctrine so you have something to attack? LOL hahahah

The teachings of John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I. Scofield's Dispensationalism, in Christian Zionisms (Dual Covenant Theology) is the false doctrine, we dont need to throw in the false teaching of a pre-trib rapture of the Church to heaven to boot

No need to create anything, the false teachings are promoted daily

There will be no pre-trib rapture of the Church to heaven, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple

 

[CS1]

You didnt answer the direct question, once again

Do you believe the words (Seventy Weeks) below are literal weeks of (Four Hundred Ninety Days) Or Do You Have A Symbolic Representation Of The Literal Words (Seventy Weeks)?

Daniel 9:24KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

To take the "Seventy week" we must look at many other scripture to determine if :

1. is it symbolism
2. or a literal week.

For example:


Jeremiah 25:11–12 and also the number itself of Completion (7) can play a part in the understanding of Daniel's "Seventy Week"


Daniel 9:2 as well. A decree of “seventy sevens/weeks” probably meant 490/483 years (70 × 7).

Another issue is whether we should take the 490 years literally or symbolically.

For me it is simple. I don't know.


But what is clear there is symbolism that is speaking of a literal time that has happen and will happen.


But what I do know is all prophecy has what is called a forth-telling and a foretelling. Daniel also should be read with the book of Revelation.

yet, I don't know.

 

[CS1]

The teachings of John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I. Scofield's Dispensationalism, in Christian Zionisms (Dual Covenant Theology) is the false doctrine, we dont need to throw in the false teaching of a pre-trib rapture of the Church to heaven to boot

No need to create anything, the false teachings are promoted daily

There will be no pre-trib rapture of the Church to heaven, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple

I don't follow the N. Darby & adulterers. You seem to know more about him than I.

 

[CS1]

The teachings of John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I. Scofield's Dispensationalism, in Christian Zionisms (Dual Covenant Theology) is the false doctrine, we dont need to throw in the false teaching of a pre-trib rapture of the Church to heaven to boot

No need to create anything, the false teachings are promoted daily

There will be no pre-trib rapture of the Church to heaven, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple

I'm not literally subjected to the Wrath of God so I will be dead or taken up as Jesus said, as Paul said as John Discribed.

 

[Truth7t7]

Abrahamic Covenant was unconditional and everlasting. It was made to the Jew. They lost use of the land but they never lost the deed to the land. There is a remnant of Jews and the promises belong to them. Romans isn't talking to the church, it's talking to the Jews.

Roman's 11 is talking about the "Remnant Elect" Jew That Will Be Saved (The Church)

You disregard the fact of scripture below, the remnant according g to the election of (Grace) salvation through Jesus Christ, (The Church)

Romans 11:5 & 28KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't follow the N. Darby & adulterers. You seem to know more about him than I.

If you believe in a pre-trib rapture, and existing covenants fo National Ethnic Israel, you follow the teachings planted into the church by John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I. Scofield, known as Dispensationalism a fact

Sorta like a 7th day Adventist not knowing who Ellen G. White was, a Mormon not knowing Joseph Smith, or a JW Charles Taze Russell

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

To take the "Seventy week" we must look at many other scripture to determine if :

1. is it symbolism
2. or a literal week.

For example:


Jeremiah 25:11–12 and also the number itself of Completion (7) can play a part in the understanding of Daniel's "Seventy Week"


Daniel 9:2 as well. A decree of “seventy sevens/weeks” probably meant 490/483 years (70 × 7).

Another issue is whether we should take the 490 years literally or symbolically.

For me it is simple. I don't know.


But what is clear there is symbolism that is speaking of a literal time that has happen and will happen.


But what I do know is all prophecy has what is called a forth-telling and a foretelling. Daniel also should be read with the book of Revelation.

yet, I don't know.

I appreciate your honesty in that you dont know

It's my observation and opinion that the (Seventy Weeks) are Literal, just as written

Those entangled in dispensationalism want to preach literal interpretation of scripture, then when they get to the ole (Seventy Weeks) in Daniel they want to be hypocritical in symbolism, jumping about the bible to create a weeks of years conglomeration

 

[surfer14]

Still not sure what you're getting at. You understand the Replacement Theology and what it teaches? It is contrary to what the Bible teaches. These early church fathers, especially Luther, came from the Catholic church and held on to their anti- Semitic views. You do realize the Nazi's weren't the first to put Jews in ghettos and make them wear a distinguishing sign. Satan doesn't want God to keep His promise to Israel. The Jews have been persecuted, exiled, and murdered, the devil is trying his hardest to destroy God's chosen people. So no, I interpret Scripture from the view of God's promises in the Abrahamic covenant, and that they are both unconditional and everlasting. He will fulfill His promises. If He doesn't, would make God and liar, and we know that is not possible.

What I was trying to figure out is whether your view of the holocaust is influenced by your dispensationalism, or if your dispensationalism resulted from your view of the holocaust. So if I take you at your word, then the answer is closer to the former option.

That is all. No trap. Just furthering my understanding. Carry on with your holocaust/dispensationalism however you see fit.

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm not literally subjected to the Wrath of God so I will be dead or taken up as Jesus said, as Paul said as John Discribed.

A pre-trib rapture is found no place in scripture, a false teaching planted into the Church by John N Darby in the 1850-1870 as he traveled the world in conferences with his teachings and promoted by Adulterer C.I. Scofield in his 1909 reference bible, this being the greatest world influence, promoting the false teaching

 

[CS1]

I appreciate your honesty in that you dont know

It's my observation and opinion that the (Seventy Weeks) are Literal, just as written

Those entangled in dispensationalism want to preach literal interpretation of scripture, then when they get to the ole (Seventy Weeks) in Daniel they want to be hypocritical in symbolism, jumping about the bible to create a weeks of years conglomeration

Your opinion is just that, you too still don't know. It is those who think they can fully understand Prophecy when it is still unfulfilled.

The proper thing is, to be honest, and say I do not know instead of pride making me say my opinion over what is the truth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Your opinion is just that, you too still don't know. It is those who think they can fully understand Prophecy when it is still unfulfilled.

The proper thing is, to be honest, and say I do not know instead of pride making me say my opinion over what is the truth.

I Believe Scripture Is Very Clear On The 70 Weeks, They Are Literal And Future, And Will Be The Sign And Warning Of The Pending (Man Of Sin/Antichrist) To Follow

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four hundred and ninety years), simple

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.

When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the Antichrist who stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation has started.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[kaylagrl]

Roman's 11 is talking about the "Remnant Elect" Jew That Will Be Saved (The Church)

You disregard the fact of scripture below, the remnant according g to the election of (Grace) salvation through Jesus Christ, (The Church)

Romans 11:5 & 28KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

You and I are not Jews!!