To all of you non flat earthers.
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No it doesn't cross the sky at all, it spins... Like the Dipper in the north.
Are you familiar with the dippers and their paths? Crux is the same
Man, its orientation is something else all together that im still obvserving... Doesn't effect its south pole heading
Just like the orientation of dipper has no effect on its north bearing
That 30 degrees is nothing... For me i know which way it is...
But even for the amature 30 degrees is nothing, your still facing south...
The Latinos are looking behind me Gary... Directly behind me...
Do u know the difference between 30 degrees and 180 degrees?
The crux cannot be behind me as well... Impossible
Are you familiar with the dippers and their paths? Crux is the same
Man, its orientation is something else all together that im still obvserving... Doesn't effect its south pole heading
Just like the orientation of dipper has no effect on its north bearing
That 30 degrees is nothing... For me i know which way it is...
But even for the amature 30 degrees is nothing, your still facing south...
The Latinos are looking behind me Gary... Directly behind me...
Do u know the difference between 30 degrees and 180 degrees?
The crux cannot be behind me as well... Impossible
Ive thought of the best way to put it to @GaryA
Say this mantra daily for at least 10 minutes
Facing crux... Facing south
Repeat the fact over and over
Until you understand that this is not possible.
They cannot all be facing crux facing compass south
If you understand the Dippers orientation then u understand the crux rotation and u understand that it doesn't effect its heading.
This stuff isn't hard to find Gaz or comprehend...
Facing Dipper = Facing North
Facing Crux = Facing south
Really simple mate... Really really simple
Say this mantra daily for at least 10 minutes
Facing crux... Facing south
Repeat the fact over and over
Until you understand that this is not possible.
They cannot all be facing crux facing compass south
If you understand the Dippers orientation then u understand the crux rotation and u understand that it doesn't effect its heading.
This stuff isn't hard to find Gaz or comprehend...
Facing Dipper = Facing North
Facing Crux = Facing south
Really simple mate... Really really simple
@GaryA
At the risk of complicating things and giving you more things to misinterpret i'll explain its orientation
This is our sky time lapsed so u can see the paths of the stars...
Note that there aren't any bright stars in the center... Maybe the phantom stars your sources speak of. Their very dim...I'll try pay more attention to them actually as well...
Up until now iv logged it all in my head but its getting too much... Every night when i go toilet i look so im going to start keeping a written log of time and orientation and elevation too... Shortest day of the year is in a month, im interested to see where its at then
The compass needle is pointing south in the picture...
The red circle is the 30 degrees and ive drawn its orientation at 4 positions...
It doesn't rise or set here...
Though it is close to the horizon at its 6 o'cklock orientation. people further north would not be able to see that in the Round earth model, thats what Moses was saying i think.
In the summer it should be higher in the sky
Mate... I am as objective as u can get on this issue Garry...
You've seen me denounce Einstein physics
You've seen me use the bible to disprove the whole solar system moving through space theory
You've seen me investigate flight timetables...
True?
I have no sides at all mate...
You've seen me consider new theories like concave...
I've put the blow torch on both models just as much as the other...
Iv been fair and calculated... Each study lasts months.
In the end. Simply put... Anyone facing the crux is facing south.
And yes we can see it simultaneously as long as there is no cloud or sun
Now... My blowtorch is back on round earth... It doesn't conform either. Its flawed. Again
At the risk of complicating things and giving you more things to misinterpret i'll explain its orientation
This is our sky time lapsed so u can see the paths of the stars...
Note that there aren't any bright stars in the center... Maybe the phantom stars your sources speak of. Their very dim...I'll try pay more attention to them actually as well...
Up until now iv logged it all in my head but its getting too much... Every night when i go toilet i look so im going to start keeping a written log of time and orientation and elevation too... Shortest day of the year is in a month, im interested to see where its at then
The compass needle is pointing south in the picture...
The red circle is the 30 degrees and ive drawn its orientation at 4 positions...
It doesn't rise or set here...
Though it is close to the horizon at its 6 o'cklock orientation. people further north would not be able to see that in the Round earth model, thats what Moses was saying i think.
In the summer it should be higher in the sky
Mate... I am as objective as u can get on this issue Garry...
You've seen me denounce Einstein physics
You've seen me use the bible to disprove the whole solar system moving through space theory
You've seen me investigate flight timetables...
True?
I have no sides at all mate...
You've seen me consider new theories like concave...
I've put the blow torch on both models just as much as the other...
Iv been fair and calculated... Each study lasts months.
In the end. Simply put... Anyone facing the crux is facing south.
And yes we can see it simultaneously as long as there is no cloud or sun
Now... My blowtorch is back on round earth... It doesn't conform either. Its flawed. Again
I have a good method of investigation...
A scientific method with elements of court doctrines like "beyond reasonable doubt" or "balance of probability"
I check my biases, im like Karl Popper. Strictest scientist of the 20th century... He denounced evolution, criticized Freud and he copped much abuse for revealling truths... He copped it hard cos his a master of truth in science...
Science needs a massive dose of his logic atm
Im greatful for that method of inquiry because it was what i used to find truth in God...
U should of seen me on the atheist forum Garry... They kicked me out cos i was dropping too many facts for them to cope with...
How can u know there is no God when u don't know anything??? hahaha
Do you want there to be a God or not??? Theyd say oh no... So u don't want eternal life
Or morality... My favourite topic against them... How can you what is right, if you don't know what right is???
Ahahahaha a man... I do miss stirring up the atheists. I can trap them a few ways
But im better off leaving them because it leaves me too conceited.
Where their thought process stops mine keeps going...
Anyway... Its windy and cloudy here after sunset... No stars are visible...
Damn... At sea those mariners where good celestial navigation... Really good
Whatever they believed is by far the most probable
A scientific method with elements of court doctrines like "beyond reasonable doubt" or "balance of probability"
I check my biases, im like Karl Popper. Strictest scientist of the 20th century... He denounced evolution, criticized Freud and he copped much abuse for revealling truths... He copped it hard cos his a master of truth in science...
Science needs a massive dose of his logic atm
Im greatful for that method of inquiry because it was what i used to find truth in God...
U should of seen me on the atheist forum Garry... They kicked me out cos i was dropping too many facts for them to cope with...
How can u know there is no God when u don't know anything??? hahaha
Do you want there to be a God or not??? Theyd say oh no... So u don't want eternal life
Or morality... My favourite topic against them... How can you what is right, if you don't know what right is???
Ahahahaha a man... I do miss stirring up the atheists. I can trap them a few ways
But im better off leaving them because it leaves me too conceited.
Where their thought process stops mine keeps going...
Anyway... Its windy and cloudy here after sunset... No stars are visible...
Damn... At sea those mariners where good celestial navigation... Really good
Whatever they believed is by far the most probable
@GaryA
According to BE theory... You can only see Polaris at the equator for 6 months of the year, same as the crux... Interesting
But you can see the southern cross from southern Texas... Read on
"A lot of people think you can't see the Southern Cross in the Northern Hemisphere, but that's not actually true," says Watson.
If you're north of the equator but south of a latitude of about 25 degrees, which is around say Hawaii and parts of northern Africa, you can still see the Southern Cross.
"But unlike us in the Southern Hemisphere, you won't see it all year round"
"If you were in Hawaii and looking south in May/June, you would see the cross, standing upright and pointing towards the South Pole," says Watson.
There is that 25-30 degrees i was talking about
Your in Texas aren't you? Houston lies around 29 degrees...So then...
If u are south of Houston you will be able to catch a glimps of the crux standing upright on the southern horizon in the next month and see Polaris to the north at the same time. That would be cool
My calculations say that you will be able to see the southern cross in the middle of the night at about 1pm, give or take.
And will only be visible for a few hours
So... If you really wanted to confirm the southern cross for yourself from southern Texas, you can
You just need is a decent compass and your eyes. Binocular or a monocular helps a bit but not needed in a clear night
The skymap app is a handy tool also to confirm your observations
Your mind might be telling you... "but the bible says..."
Don't forget that a lot of the bible is metaphorical and discerning what is literal and what is metaphorical can be impossible sometimes... The bible says the earth has corners for example. Literal or metaphorical???
According to BE theory... You can only see Polaris at the equator for 6 months of the year, same as the crux... Interesting
But you can see the southern cross from southern Texas... Read on
"A lot of people think you can't see the Southern Cross in the Northern Hemisphere, but that's not actually true," says Watson.
If you're north of the equator but south of a latitude of about 25 degrees, which is around say Hawaii and parts of northern Africa, you can still see the Southern Cross.
"But unlike us in the Southern Hemisphere, you won't see it all year round"
"If you were in Hawaii and looking south in May/June, you would see the cross, standing upright and pointing towards the South Pole," says Watson.
There is that 25-30 degrees i was talking about
Your in Texas aren't you? Houston lies around 29 degrees...So then...
If u are south of Houston you will be able to catch a glimps of the crux standing upright on the southern horizon in the next month and see Polaris to the north at the same time. That would be cool
My calculations say that you will be able to see the southern cross in the middle of the night at about 1pm, give or take.
And will only be visible for a few hours
So... If you really wanted to confirm the southern cross for yourself from southern Texas, you can
You just need is a decent compass and your eyes. Binocular or a monocular helps a bit but not needed in a clear night
The skymap app is a handy tool also to confirm your observations
Your mind might be telling you... "but the bible says..."
Don't forget that a lot of the bible is metaphorical and discerning what is literal and what is metaphorical can be impossible sometimes... The bible says the earth has corners for example. Literal or metaphorical???
But South is rimwise on Flat Earth. So the Southern Cross could point anywhere on the rim, and still be seen as pointing South, no?
Also, if the Earth were a ball, and the Southern Cross were pointing to a single Southern point (rather than the rim), the Southern Cross should be viewable from everywhere in the South simultaneously, right? Like the Pole Star is said to be in the North? If it cannot be, this says to me the Ball Earth model is wrong, even if the Flat Earth model of the heavens is inadequate.
I agree that Flat Earth theory doesn't well explain all the motions of the heavenly bodies (but neither does Ball Earth). This is why I believe the mysteries of the Heavenly bodies are best treated separately to the shape of the Earth. One thing that is easily testable is that water bodies do not curve, and that is proof enough for me that Earth is flat, no matter how the sun, moon and stars move and are observed.
Also, if the Earth were a ball, and the Southern Cross were pointing to a single Southern point (rather than the rim), the Southern Cross should be viewable from everywhere in the South simultaneously, right? Like the Pole Star is said to be in the North? If it cannot be, this says to me the Ball Earth model is wrong, even if the Flat Earth model of the heavens is inadequate.
I agree that Flat Earth theory doesn't well explain all the motions of the heavenly bodies (but neither does Ball Earth). This is why I believe the mysteries of the Heavenly bodies are best treated separately to the shape of the Earth. One thing that is easily testable is that water bodies do not curve, and that is proof enough for me that Earth is flat, no matter how the sun, moon and stars move and are observed.
Thats what makes the FE model impossible... It can't be in multiple positions at once
The cross can be viewed from anywhere in the south just like Polaris in the north...
From multiple positions at once
As long as there is no cloud and no sun.
So half of the world at once
Applies to both
There is no "mysteries of the heavenly bodies"...
If your facing crux your facing south... One south pole
If your facing dipper your facing north... One north pole
Their simple facts... No mystery about that
The cross can be viewed from anywhere in the south just like Polaris in the north...
From multiple positions at once
As long as there is no cloud and no sun.
So half of the world at once
Applies to both
There is no "mysteries of the heavenly bodies"...
If your facing crux your facing south... One south pole
If your facing dipper your facing north... One north pole
Their simple facts... No mystery about that
Any of those positions would be seen as South to an observer, no?
The problem is, Polaris can be seen in the Southern Hemisphere. Should be impossible on a ball-Earth. But it's not. I don't know enough about the Southern Cross, but I've read it can't be seen simultaneously at all places in the South. If so, that's further evidence against ball-Earth.
Two are stated above. There are plenty, but the ball-Earthers won't admit to them.
The problem is, Polaris can be seen in the Southern Hemisphere. Should be impossible on a ball-Earth. But it's not. I don't know enough about the Southern Cross, but I've read it can't be seen simultaneously at all places in the South. If so, that's further evidence against ball-Earth.
Two are stated above. There are plenty, but the ball-Earthers won't admit to them.
Yes... All those arrows indicate south on their compass and the southern cross in front of them
Maybe. Ive only started to put up my observations against BE...
Im not arguing that BE is right... Im saying that this particular FE model is wrong.
Any model without a south pole is wrong...
There are different FE models in my mind that would still adhere to my observations... But not this one
Off course it can't... Neither can Polaris... Half the world is lit up by the sun, the other half is in the dark.
Only when its dark can we see stars, true?
The question im asking is...
How can we be looking at crux to the south at the same time on this FE map?
Where its dark we can see the crux to the south simultaneously. Just like the north and the dipper
Often in opposite directions...
How? There is no explanation... Impossible on this particular lay out
Maybe. Ive only started to put up my observations against BE...
Im not arguing that BE is right... Im saying that this particular FE model is wrong.
Any model without a south pole is wrong...
There are different FE models in my mind that would still adhere to my observations... But not this one
Off course it can't... Neither can Polaris... Half the world is lit up by the sun, the other half is in the dark.
Only when its dark can we see stars, true?
The question im asking is...
How can we be looking at crux to the south at the same time on this FE map?
Where its dark we can see the crux to the south simultaneously. Just like the north and the dipper
Often in opposite directions...
How? There is no explanation... Impossible on this particular lay out
The main misconception appears to be the belief that we can't see Crux simultaneously to the south
Incorrect...
We can see crux simultaneously to the south in the night time... Even on opposite sides of the world
Exactly like Polaris in the Dipper can be see simultaneously to the north in the night time
At 6pm i saw the crux laying at the 10 o'clock position
At 6am the crux will be in the 4 o'cklock position
Meanwhile in South America its 4-5am...
They are also looking south at the crux (totally other direction on FE) but they are seeing it at 4 o'clock now
Its the same in the north. Polaris is in the little dipper constellation...
The north Americans can see it in one orientation and the Asians can see it in the mirrored position
Its exactly the same, can be seen simultaneously from any dark place
Dipper is north
Crux is south
One north pole
One south pole
Incorrect...
We can see crux simultaneously to the south in the night time... Even on opposite sides of the world
Exactly like Polaris in the Dipper can be see simultaneously to the north in the night time
At 6pm i saw the crux laying at the 10 o'clock position
At 6am the crux will be in the 4 o'cklock position
Meanwhile in South America its 4-5am...
They are also looking south at the crux (totally other direction on FE) but they are seeing it at 4 o'clock now
Its the same in the north. Polaris is in the little dipper constellation...
The north Americans can see it in one orientation and the Asians can see it in the mirrored position
Its exactly the same, can be seen simultaneously from any dark place
Dipper is north
Crux is south
One north pole
One south pole