Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?
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The way I see it, Israel should now fully occupy the West Bank and the Gaza strip, ship all the Palestinian terrorist leaders to Iran, and rehabilitate that whole area for the Palestinians (under Israeli control). But the people should be free to leave and go wherever they wish. Israel always manages to stop short of a solid victory (which is within their grasp), therefore the conflict goes on.
It isn't either, or, but both.I fully agree, it harmonizes to the fact Roman's 11 is about the remnant elect, chosen to grace in salvation, now that's harmony!
You forgot the verse to follow in context
It Was Because Of Gods Temple And Presence In Jerusalem, That Prayer In Support Was Made
No More Temple In Jerusalem, The Veil Has Been Rent At The Sacrifice On Calvary, Thank You Lord Jesus!
Gods Presence Now Abides In The Temples Of His Church, Amen
I Will Pray For The Church, And Seek Its Good, Amen
Psalm 122:9KJV
9 Because of the house of the Lord our God I will seek thy good.
Jesus Is The Lord
122 I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the Lord.
2 Our feet shall stand within thy gates, O Jerusalem.
3 Jerusalem is builded as a city that is compact together:
4 Whither the tribes go up, the tribes of the Lord, unto the testimony of Israel, to give thanks unto the name of the Lord.
5 For there are set thrones of judgment, the thrones of the house of David.
6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
7 Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces.
8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.
9 Because of the house of the Lord our God I will seek thy good.
The context is more than just the temple. The house of David? That is speaking of the bloodline not the temple
Peace be within the walls of the city
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Romans 11 is about Israel. Not about gentiles and not about the church. If it is about the church. The scripture loses harmnony.
The law of non- contradiction states it is impossible for something both to be and not be at the same time.I fully agree, it harmonizes to the fact Roman's 11 is about the remnant elect, chosen to grace in salvation, now that's harmony!
Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Romans 11:25-32
New International Version
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved.
Remnant- a usually small part, member, or trace remaining
All- the whole amount, quantity, or extent of.
Yes. I think God can do anything He wants.
Do you think that if I, as a non-jew, reject the gift of redemption through Jesus that He's provided me, then die with my ashes scattered into the ocean, would God also resurrect me in order to redeem me? Or would He just do that for someone at least X% jew blood?
The Remnant will be added to the Church
When the last soul is added to the Church, it will be at that time
"All Israel" will be saved
The Church is not the same as Israel we have made that clear.
I fully agree, the Church Isn't the same as Ethnic Israel of the flesh
The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed
They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 3:29KJV
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ok. Here's what I don't get.
1. "If anyone denies Christ they will not be redeemed."
2. Jews deny Christ.
Therefore, I would suppose that jews will not be redeemed.
But......then you guys go on to talk about how all the jews will be redeemed. Soooooo...which is it? Do all these jews come back to life somehow, then become Christians, then go to heaven? Is that how this works? And what % of jew blood do they have to have in order to have this special second chance?
I think we are misunderstanding each other. This is true above but when I speak of supporting Israel the nation I support the prophetic will for the nation of Israel in the end times. This is still the location of Jerusalem where Christ will reign. Gentiles have been grafted in, but I wasn't speaking of just people as individuals but as the place and nation.I fully agree, the Church Isnt the same as Ethnic Israel of the flesh
The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed
They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Exposing the truth of (Christian Zionism) in (Dual Covenant Theology), how dare you, your antisemitic!
Jews whole identity is wrapped around the rejection of Jesus! They deny Christ every day.
Not really. He is just confused. You have already answered his question. A remnant, plus 144,000, and then the millennium period. Of course, many will deny in the remnant period. Many will as only 144,000 in the tribulation. Then all will who survives unto the millennium will also come to Christ. This nation of God will be surrounded by all the nations of the Earth before Christ sends Satan into his eternal fire.Exposing the truth of (Christian Zionism) in (Dual Covenant Theology), how dare you, your antisemitic!
The church will be raptured before these events of the tribulation. The church age will be over.