I'm thinking about writing a book

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pottersclay

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There is nothing wrong with giving to Church. I have never said there is anything wrong with this.
But there is something wrong with the teaching that says that modern Christians must tithe, hence "The Great Tithing Scam".

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That's poor or deceptive teaching and a lazy congregation. Do as the Lord leads😉😉😉
 
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Before there was an Israel, before there were Mosaic Laws, Abram gave tithes to Melchesidick. Genesis 14:18-20 and Paul talked about it in Hebrews 7 describing the tithes as a "tenth." Certainly seems to be a foreshadowing of tithing.

In the days when I went to church, I never tithed to the church, rather, I tithed to the private church school fund of that church. I don't know what influenced my donations, but I "earmarked" them for the church's school building and maintenance fund.

From my studies in the New Testament, my understanding is that it is our duty to support our spiritual societies. The churches are in apostasy, so I don't support them. I will support free online bible websites that offer online bible study tools. The importance or imperative is that God's word is as readily available to all to have access.

There are some countries where Bibles are banned. Some countries that control internet access. There are millions of people in the world today that are cut off from the word of God. Offerings and donations are priority, not "tithes."
 
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You wrote more than just "I agree".

For instance you wrote

"...GOD doesn't need our monies but we now love GOD and our neighbors and will tithe because we want our brother to experence spiritual rebirth".

You're implying that modern day Christians should tithe because they love God. This is incorrect.
I said Should NOT.
I didn't say you have too,So are you saying we shouldn't tithe,see?
 
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pottersclay

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Please explain what you mean.
My Bible says the same as any pastors bible....hence be a berean.

Just to share what the Lord has shown me.....
These scam mega churches...these want to be pastors...liars, fools.

You see I can build a mansion on sand nobody can stop me in fact I can build a empire on sand.
But when the storms hits ( and saints they're coming) what will be left standing?
Where can they run to?
In those charlatan churches are some who are sincere, seeking, broken looking for the truth.
Being fooled by a false preacher doesn't make them bad but needful....for jesus.
In short God has his way of the tares and wheat we can only be patient but diligent in the truth.
So he allows us to grow along side being ever mindful of what's to come he knows the end from the beginning.
So if your book is a success what of your profits? What's your motive? Does it glorify God or is it a axe to grind? As I said as the Lord leads...do.
 

Blik

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So you're saying it's a requirement for modern day Christians to tithe?
The commandment to tithe is written in stone in the old testament, Christ explained these laws in stone were laws of the heart. Christ said "you have been told" then he said "but I tell you" as he explained the same law but as it is in our heart.

We are told many things about giving in scripture. Everything on the earth evolves from what God creates, God is our main provider, and a portion of what we claim as ours does belong to the Lord, in fact the first part of what we have. We are not our own, we are the lord's. But that this part is exactly 10 percent is written in stone, we are to give from our hearts.
 

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I guess you will read the book to find out then.
This one the OP is writing or you can just read the Bible.
its just some people cant be bothered to read the Bible and so they need a shorter book I suppose.
 

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The commandment to tithe is written in stone in the old testament, Christ explained these laws in stone were laws of the heart. Christ said "you have been told" then he said "but I tell you" as he explained the same law but as it is in our heart.

We are told many things about giving in scripture. Everything on the earth evolves from what God creates, God is our main provider, and a portion of what we claim as ours does belong to the Lord, in fact the first part of what we have. We are not our own, we are the lord's. But that this part is exactly 10 percent is written in stone, we are to give from our hearts.
Here's what the Bible really says about tithing:
 

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GodMyFortress

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Talent
Time
Treasure

If you can’t give the Church the first two I think it’s good to give the last one.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Hello everybody,

I'm a long time lurker on here and thought I would make the jump and join you all on this forum.

I'm considering writing a book titled "The Great Tithing Scam".
Obviously it would be about how tithing is in fact not a requirement of those living under the new covenant.

Is this something that we feel needs writing and would be a good contribution to Christian culture?

Thank you.
I appreciate that you are looking for input from fellow Christians while considering this hopefully we don’t embarrass ourselves by insulting and attacking you lol

I would say a few things to your inquiry to our opinions. First it’s going to be difficult to write a book about such a limited subject as to focus specifically on tithing as being something “not necassary”

in the New Testament it’s true that there is no ten percent requirement of our income, because that’s a worldly work of the law that was only a shadow of our actual faith

we walk by this truth rather than a shadow of ten percent of our money

We’re born of generosity to those in need. Our walk needs to be in line with this regarding our possessions

“But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:17-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Our possessions , our extra not ten percent by rule but what we have available to us can never be more important to us than another’s immediate need that we are able to in Gods love , meet for them and be the blessing that God sent to answer thier need in his name

greed , love of money , living our lives for the gathering of the material things we see and covet this is the type of thing we have to repent of.

greed will never lead us to act in love toward the needs of others with our own supply, but Gods love in our minds and hearts poured our to the full in the gospel of we accept and believe will
Lead us to love the people enough to part with the possession in times when we are confronted and tested in these situations

the world has a certain system , money is the ruler along with power and popularity which come together with money. Ot can very easily lead a believer astray to have our affections set on money or mammon and be too focused on our “ financial security “ or our desires and dreams that involve making our self happy and getting what we want , at the same time we pass by hungry and thirsty and suffering people on our way to the boat dealership

we’ve become comfortable in the world and need to wake from our slumber and look to the people and not the possessions

our form of tithing is to give according to whatever we have left over of one is wealthy they are actually commanded in the epistles to become generous and make it a point to look to help the less fortunate among the brethren

all were to look to the needs of the others and not only themselves . In the ot the tithes of the fields provided food for the poor the money supported the priests and the treasury to also provide for widows and orphans ect

that tithing command was only a shadow of the true things in the nt about letting go of our love and affection for our possessions and looking to God instead
 

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2 Peter 2:1-3KJV
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
(y) Right on.
 

ResidentAlien

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I agree that tithing Is not required,GOD doesn't need our money but after GOD saves us HE puts In us fruit of the SPIRIT, we are HIS workmanship and then the reborn Christian will want to renew their minds to the new creation that they have become and will display Spiritual fruit so then GOD doesn't need our monies but we now love GOD and our neighbors and will tithe because we want our brother to experence spiritual rebirth.
It always comes back to: We aren't required to tithe but we do it anyway out of love for God or our neighbor. There's a reason we're not required to do it—we're no longer under law. The amount a person gives is up to them. If they've decided to give 10%, that's their choice. Technically, 10% could be called a "tithe" because the word tithe means "a tenth." But it's misleading because the word "tithe" conjures up thoughts of the Old Testament tithe. It would actually be impossible for most people today to tithe in the same way they did in the Old Testament because tithes were all agricultural back then. Any time a preacher insists you give the amount they specify, whether you call it 10%, a tithe or whatever, you're being duped.

"The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully."—2 Corinthians 9:6
 

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Well, we already have a book that addresses this....the best book....a living book.... the Holy Bible.
 

ResidentAlien

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"Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."—1 Corinthians 9:7

Notice it says "giver," not "tither." :)
 

jb

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Hello everybody,

I'm a long time lurker on here and thought I would make the jump and join you all on this forum.

I'm considering writing a book titled "The Great Tithing Scam".
Obviously it would be about how tithing is in fact not a requirement of those living under the new covenant.

Is this something that we feel needs writing and would be a good contribution to Christian culture?

Thank you.
You might want to have a look at This...
 
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Omegatime

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Hello everybody,

I'm a long time lurker on here and thought I would make the jump and join you all on this forum.

I'm considering writing a book titled "The Great Tithing Scam".
Obviously it would be about how tithing is in fact not a requirement of those living under the new covenant.

Is this something that we feel needs writing and would be a good contribution to Christian culture?

Thank you.
Becoming an author can be tedious and time consuming as well being personally expensive. While I wont comment on your title, consider who would buy your book. No-name authors means you pay all the costs. Need knowledge in the use of microsoft Word, paper, ink, which was hard for me to find during the virus. The publisher is constantly sending your book back to you for review, which means days of reading. You also need an editor which the publisher can supply. Even the best writer makes mistakes and errors and sometimes their correction deletes the message you want and you need to correct.

Expect at least a year after you complete your book and send it to your selected publisher that the book is printed. I got mine printed in seven months but was only a hundred pages and refused the second editorial process.. Your material should be new and not someone else"s work for all books are copyrighted. Expect to fork out $3500 to $5000 for a 100-200 page book. My book dealt with end time events called Omegatime. Every publisher will see that your book makes in on Amazon, Barnes and Noble and mine was also sold by general stores like Target. But even tho Barnes and Noble will stock it, does not mean it is sold in their retail stores. At the point if you don't do book signing the retail stores wont carry your book, very time consuming. Christian books stores are the hardest for everyone is fighting for space and hot topics. I can tell you it wasn't all glamour.
 

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JohnDB

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Becoming an author can be tedious and time consuming as well being personally expensive. While I wont comment on your title, consider who would buy your book. No-name authors means you pay all the costs. Need knowledge in the use of microsoft Word, paper, ink, which was hard for me to find during the virus. The publisher is constantly sending your book back to you for review, which means days of reading. You also need an editor which the publisher can supply. Even the best writer makes mistakes and errors and sometimes their correction deletes the message you want and you need to correct.

Expect at least a year after you complete your book and send it to your selected publisher that the book is printed. I got mine printed in seven months but was only a hundred pages and refused the second editorial process.. Your material should be new and not someone else"s work for all books are copyrighted. Expect to fork out $3500 to $5000 for a 100-200 page book. My book dealt with end time events called Omegatime. Every publisher will see that your book makes in on Amazon, Barnes and Noble and mine was also sold by general stores like Target. But even tho Barnes and Noble will stock it, does not mean it is sold in their retail stores. At the point if you don't do book signing the retail stores wont carry your book, very time consuming. Christian books stores are the hardest for everyone is fighting for space and hot topics. I can tell you it wasn't all glamour.
As a friend of several published authors and married to one who is scared to actually complete one of her books....

I looked into all of this.
And you are correct...self publishing is expensive. And unless your name is a brand name already... expect that the publishing houses will reject you out of hand.
Because most people who have no formalized training in professional writing have the worst writing skills imaginable. Sure they have a story or subject to write about...but thank God that they never get published except for vanity presses....and there is a bunch of garbage published by the regular houses as it is.

However, if you are professionally trained in writing...and can knock out a really spectacular piece of writing still expect that you will get rejected.

(Self publishing(vanity press) is the best way to get plagerized and your work stolen and distributed everywhere with someone else making money off of your work)

The Harry Potter series is the ONLY series of books "self published" that has been truly a success. The rest might make around $20K/year AFTER expenses for spectacular work. (With several books published simultaneously)

And of course as you have stated...there is always the soul crushing editing process...with several types and levels of editing available. And the prices aren't exactly going to be reflective in the lower levels of editing...but the top level (rewriting with better grammar and vocabulary and section cuts) is always going to be extremely expensive... often there are needed sections that must be rewritten....and everyone's feelings get hurt.

Then there's the highest price selling of a book for self publishing. The web-hosting sites like Patreon or Wattpad... people pay $1usd per chapter as they come out...(taxes and insurance and fees are coming out of that too) but usually for when someone goes and really gives you money per chapter they get access to you...and since most true writers are recluses...it will be extremely annoying to placate your adoring fans.

All that being said...

I wish self publishers well...get your trilogy ready (because one is never enough) and I caution you to make sure it's good because I've read a ton of amateur garbage by people who would have been better off selling their computer at the local pawn shop than being guilty of the crime of writing the garbage they have.