Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?
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The blindness wont be lifted from Israel of the flesh, only the chosen elect remnant Jew, that will be saved by grace in Jesus Christ and they will be added to the Church on earth
Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.In Love and Truth, there wont be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth
Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth, as the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem are revealed for eternity
Many falsely teach Jesus Christ will return to earth, taking a literal throne of David in Jerusalem, to start a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present?
This figure will be the Man Of Sin, The False Christ, The Antichrist, "Beware"!
Jesus Christ Wont Be Found Any Place Upon This Earth, And He Warned His Followers Of The End Time Deception
"Believe it Not" "Go Not Forth"
Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Revelation 13:11-13KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
You forgot the verse to follow in context
It Was Because Of Gods Temple And Presence In Jerusalem, That Prayer In Support Was Made
No More Temple In Jerusalem, The Veil Has Been Rent At The Sacrifice On Calvary, Thank You Lord Jesus!
Gods Presence Now Abides In The Temples Of His Church, Amen
I Will Pray For The Church, And Seek Its Good, Amen
Psalm 122:9KJV
9 Because of the house of the Lord our God I will seek thy good.
Jesus Is The Lord
The blindness wont be lifted from Israel of the flesh, only the chosen elect remnant Jew, that will be saved by grace in Jesus Christ and they will be added to the Church on earth
Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
We read in context:
Romans 11:25-32
New International Version
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
A remenant will be saved now in the time of the gentiles for example Paul was part of this remenant.
Then in Revelation a certain number of each tribe will be saved.
All of this takes place before the event spoken of in Romans 26-27.
Kayla,
Serious question:
I'm assuming you mean genetic jews are the apple of God's eye? If so, then with all the cross breeding and such that's happened over the years, how much purity do you think God is looking for? I mean I'm sure God considers a 100% jew to be a jew. But what if that jew had kids with a 100% pure goy? Offspring would only be 50% jew. Do you figure the 50% jews are still the apple of God's eye? What about the 25% jews? Or even less? What about these people that get their 23andme results back and they have trace amounts of jew in them? Are those people still favored by God over everyone else? I would think not, because if everyone is special, then no-one is special. How does this even work?
In context of the whole book of Revelation it doesn't end at chapter 19.
Revelation 20:1-4
New King James Version
Satan Bound 1,000 Years
20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years.
Your highlighted scriptures come before the events of the millennium reign.
This is true. In the meantime there need not be bloodshed daily. But the Palestinian leaders only reason for existence is conflict and hatred fueled and funded by Iran. If Joe Biden and all the mullahs were taken out of the picture, there would be relative calm. The money that should have been used to improve the lives of Palestinians was poured into the building of a network of tunnels, which are now being destroyed.
It is interesting to note that whenever Israel is gaining the upper hand, there are loud cries for cease-fires and peace. However, if Hamas had the upper hand, it would be the reverse. This is called liberal hypocrisy.
I know you asked Kayla but can I provide a counter image related to resurrection of our bodies? If I am burned up into ash and scattered into the ocean, how can God resurrect my body? Simple. If God can create the universe out of nothing and man from dust, He will do what He has promised related to Israel even if we as finite-minded human beings can not yet comprehend. True?
Throughout Romans 11 it surrounds the Remnant Jew, According To The Election Of Grace, The Church
I Fully Believe 144,000 Will Be Saved, Sealed By The Holy Spirit And Added To The Church
The deliver coming out of Sion is saving the Remnant Elect Jew, The Church as seen in verse 28 below
Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.Romans 11:26-28KJV
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Piece comes usually once evil is eradicated. Once Hitler died and Japan surrendered. The world saw peace at least for a while.
Yes, but we also harmonize scripture.Throughout Romans 11 it surrounds the Remnant Jew, According To The Election Of Grace, The Church
I Fully Believe 144,000 Will Be Saved, Sealed By The Holy Spirit And Added To The Church
The deliver coming out of Sion is saving the Remnant Elect Jew, The Church as seen in verse 28 below
Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
Romans 11:26-28KJV
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
3,000 plus missiles from Hamas say Netanyahu has a green light, and is gonna do what needs to be done
This isnt stopping anytime soon, much more destruction of Hamas to be accomplished.
The question is will Iran openly back Hamas before the world, in a declared war effort?
It's my opinion that the Israelis have hit them beyond hard already, 50%+ of their military leadership is dead, Mossad was way ahead of this one
This is true, we are all heirs by FAITH ALONE. But Paul was actually saying just the opposite of what many people infer in Galatians 3, he was telling the Galatians, Hey guys, you don't have to try to be Jews to be of God, we are all of God by FAITH ALONE. But he never says nr infers that there is no Israel any longer, no more than he infers there will be a UNISEX (no males or females) from now (then) on. There are no Greeks nor Jess there are no Males nor Females. The same ones who do say that the Church has taken the place of Israel (not you) never answer me when I ask them are there still males and females because it proves Paul wasn't saying what they try to teach, that the Church has taken the spot Israel once had.
Paul was just chastising the Galatians for trying to be Jews (keeping the Laws etc) to be of God instead of understanding all they needed to be of God was FAITH. The Law was added 30 years later.
I fully agree, it harmonizes to the fact Roman's 11 is about the remnant elect, chosen to grace in salvation, now that's harmony!
If your 25% Jewish, you get a 25% blessing
Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) And They Really Believe It
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Romans 11 is about Israel. Not about gentiles and not about the church. If it is about the church. The scripture loses harmony.