But that is the most likely scenario. When he performed miracles, it was made obvious. Here there is nothing of the sort so IMO it has been exaggerated for a long time.
The banishment of Adam and Eve
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But that is the most likely scenario. When he performed miracles, it was made obvious. Here there is nothing of the sort so IMO it has been exaggerated for a long time.
If you want to make assumptions, it's a matter of just "picking" an assumption you want to go with. Choose. Since we don't know exactly and weren't there and the scripture isn't totally clear on the matter, choose what you think happened.
Why not focus on the spiritual significance rather than make arguments? Rhetorical question.
He entered a room. The spiritual significance is that he resurrected not that he worked a miracle that was unneeded.
the way to the garden wasn't closed until after Genesis 3. the scripture doesn't say God brought Adam out of the garden on vacation or something to go see all the other living souls, but says He brought them to Adam. Adam's in the garden. God brings every creature to Adam. God clearly doesn't have a problem with His creation being in the garden He created.
i'm not sure what your underlying premise here is -- do you think the presence of another living soul other than an human would 'sully' the place? i just don't see any reason to think the grounds were 'exclusive to VIP humans no butterflies allowed'
i do not believe He deceived the disciples.
His body not only appeared physical, it very much was & is -- He proved it by eating a fish!
Descartes: i think, therefore i am
Jesus: I eat a fish, therefore I AM
He was walking through people before He resurrected and demonstrating over and over that He has absolute authority and control over the physical universe.
which is harder - appearing in the middle of a room, or causing a leper's disintegrated flesh to be made whole again? how about completely reversing 4 days of corpse-rot and rejoining the soul with the body of Lazarus? is that less complex, taking less power and knowledge and control to do, than teleporting 10 meters?
He never had been
it's not because He couldn't, that He didn't turn stones into bread or into children of Abraham. it's because He chose not to
there is historical narrative in the text, but it's not complete and it's often lacking obvious details one would put if one were trying to write a history -- at the same time including apparently strange details. the things that are written are written because they are giving us a picture of Christ, revealing Him -- and the things that are excluded are excluded because they aren't necessary to give that revelation of Him.
we can take any page, any section of the OT history and see it testifying of Him if we study it looking for Him.
nothing in the text or the judgement indicates Adam did not believe. 1 Timothy 2:14 says he was not deceived. if he did not believe, or he was under the impression he would not die if he ate the fruit, then 1 Timothy 2:14 is contradicted.
Adam knew exactly what he was doing and what the consequences were. he knew if he did not eat, his wife would die without him. he knew if he did, he would die with her.
Romans specifically calls him a type of Christ, and Timothy is specific that he fully and accurately understood what was going on.
if he was in unbelief God would have judged him for it, don't you think? but God said 'because you listened to your wife' -- so Woman said something to him, and he, not deceived, listened to it.
she therefore didn't say something trying to trick him. she wasn't lying to him. she said something that he understood and made a fully informed, calculated decision about -- and then ((IMO)) he kept the two of them from eating from the tree of life, because he also understood that they shouldn't, until God arrived and sealed it off, preventing them from going back to it in the case that later as they continued to die, Adam either could not keep them from it or his mind decayed and he wasn't any longer able to keep himself from it.
it is important that the man and the woman whom death has entered do not eat from the tree of life in that state. but God "keeps" the way to it -- something has to happen first, before mankind can eat of it. we have to be cleansed, and that is what the Son of Man comes to do
"that we may have life"
not always obvious.
think about Him riding on a foal that hasn't even been weened from its mother ((what we call 'the triumphal entry'))
this is a 20lb baby. it's miraculous that it can support the weight of an adult man.
The Bible is quite clear that the garden of Eden was specifically created for the first man (and his wife). And their progeny, had they remained obedient. Thus it is now the Paradise of God in Heaven, and only for the saints. [παράδεισος parádeisos, par-ad'-i-sos; of Oriental origin (compare H6508); a park, i.e. (specially), an Eden (place of future happiness, "paradise"):—paradise. ]
Adam was made the steward of this garden/orchard. And everything within it was for human enjoyment (other than the forbidden tree). This was where God (Christ, since no man has seen God the Father at any time) fellowshipped with those made in His own image and likeness (which automatically excluded all other creatures, called "the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air").
Therefore all other creatures were outside (contrary to many pictures of Eden with all kinds of animals within). When Adam named all the other creatures, there is no hint that they were traipsing through Eden. Anyone with a garden would know that no one allows all kinds of animals into their garden (which would be totally ruined). Therefore we can conclude that Adam was outside the garden at that time.
Eden being designed and created for man to dwell in certainly dos not imply that no other living soul should be allowed in it!
The living souls: birds of the air, fish of the sea, beasts of the field and the creeping things on the earth, these were created **before man** and God called them very good!
If creation is for man's sake then the creature that man is to have dominion over is too!
You've apparently never had a garden!
You NEED insects to pollinate plants otherwise they will never prosper. Do you imagine God created evil and worthless things when there was no sin in the world?
Why do you imagine He made all these other living souls before Adam?
You're wrong, in so many ways.
Who was eating the acorns in the garden?
He planted not only every tree good for food ((no indication were only talking about food for man)) but every tree pleasant to look at.
So you've got all kinds of trees no good for man to eat, but only animals other than man, but you think God hates His own creatures who are without sin and won't let them in to feast on the things He made especially for them, even those plants that need those other living souls to symbiotically dwell and prosper together. So you've got plants that God is doing evil to by creating them to dwell with living souls that He won't allow them to be near.
I don't think you've thought this out. I think you've just taken vain humanism and decided to impose it on the scripture, thinking every soul other than man is worthless and despicable.
Right, that Phil 2:6-8 thingy.He never had been
it's not because He couldn't, that He didn't turn stones into bread or into children of Abraham. it's because He chose not to
You may place your worldly judgment on what miracles Jesus performed were needed or not, but most feed on the truth and tend to discounter doubters' opinions.
nothing in the text or the judgement indicates Adam did not believe. 1 Timothy 2:14 says he was not deceived. if he did not believe, or he was under the impression he would not die if he ate the fruit, then 1 Timothy 2:14 is contradicted.
Adam knew exactly what he was doing and what the consequences were. he knew if he did not eat, his wife would die without him. he knew if he did, he would die with her.
Romans specifically calls him a type of Christ, and Timothy is specific that he fully and accurately understood what was going on.
if he was in unbelief God would have judged him for it, don't you think? but God said 'because you listened to your wife' -- so Woman said something to him, and he, not deceived, listened to it.
she therefore didn't say something trying to trick him. she wasn't lying to him. she said something that he understood and made a fully informed, calculated decision about -- and then ((IMO)) he kept the two of them from eating from the tree of life, because he also understood that they shouldn't, until God arrived and sealed it off, preventing them from going back to it in the case that later as they continued to die, Adam either could not keep them from it or his mind decayed and he wasn't any longer able to keep himself from it.
it is important that the man and the woman whom death has entered do not eat from the tree of life in that state. but God "keeps" the way to it -- something has to happen first, before mankind can eat of it. we have to be cleansed, and that is what the Son of Man comes to do
brother the whole Bible tells us non belief is the issue for all
Mankind .
belief is what restores us and lack of faith is why they were expelled
this is salvation
“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:16 KJV
and this is why we’re condemned
“For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.”
Hebrews 4:2 KJV
without faith we can’t be saved , with faith we can’t be lost. Personally I think that the whole Bible testifies that Adam and Eve lacked faith
and that mankind as a whole lacked faith and that faith is the only thing that can save and give eternal Life
I don’t think Adam committed suicide because he loved Eve. I believe they both lacked faith in the word of God which they heard.
Eve had heard Gods word but like above she lacked faith let me just ask you one simple thing . Who’s word did Eve believe Gods word or satans ?
“And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
Genesis 3:2-6 KJV
they both heard Gods word about the fruit adam was told dorectly , Eve repeated it so they both heard Gods word but who did she believe ?
“ she saw “ as the devil told her thkngs were , not as God said it was . She had no faith , he had no faith
it’s not worth arguing but my own opinion and that’s all it is , is that man lacks faith and needs to hear and believe the gospel .
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
of we hear Gods word and don’t believe like Adam and Eve we’re going to follow that mis information like they did . Faith is the only way for a kind to live my ipo ion is they lack faith and when Jesus was tempted he didn’t