Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?
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Kayla,
I do love your fervency! When you lose your scales, you are going to be a force to be reckoned with for sure! It will happen. But maybe not until heaven. Just keep seeking truth. That's what I do.
Three points regarding your post:
1. "White supremacy" is not a thing. The term is pure propaganda. What was "white supremacist" about the site that I linked to?
2. Do you see any irony in the fact that soldiers who liberated the camps in Germany and Poland are automatically believed when they say there were a bunch of starving jews there. But sailors who say they were deliberately attacked by Israel have their testimony dismissed? Doesn't that strike you as odd? What could explain this duality? The answer is obvious once you're willing to see.
3. Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen because Roosevelt wanted to get into the war. This is LIHOP (Let IT Happen On Purpose). The Liberty was attacked by Israel in the hopes of attributing the attack to the Egyptians and thus draw America into the war. That is MIHOP (Make It Happen On Purpose). So, you are correct. They aren't the same. And we do know the Mossad motto is "Through deception we wage war". Their plan didn't work, but that's no problem for them - just say you're sorry and throw a little money at the victims and it's all good!
I do love your fervency! When you lose your scales, you are going to be a force to be reckoned with for sure! It will happen. But maybe not until heaven. Just keep seeking truth. That's what I do.
Three points regarding your post:
1. "White supremacy" is not a thing. The term is pure propaganda. What was "white supremacist" about the site that I linked to?
2. Do you see any irony in the fact that soldiers who liberated the camps in Germany and Poland are automatically believed when they say there were a bunch of starving jews there. But sailors who say they were deliberately attacked by Israel have their testimony dismissed? Doesn't that strike you as odd? What could explain this duality? The answer is obvious once you're willing to see.
3. Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen because Roosevelt wanted to get into the war. This is LIHOP (Let IT Happen On Purpose). The Liberty was attacked by Israel in the hopes of attributing the attack to the Egyptians and thus draw America into the war. That is MIHOP (Make It Happen On Purpose). So, you are correct. They aren't the same. And we do know the Mossad motto is "Through deception we wage war". Their plan didn't work, but that's no problem for them - just say you're sorry and throw a little money at the victims and it's all good!
The scripture clearly teaches that when a person believes and is saved, they are sealed by God the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, simple 
John 10:27-30KJV
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption
John 10:27-30KJV
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption
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You will closely note you gave disregard in highlighting the words?
(Which He Foreknew)
God has not cast away his people, the "Remnant Elect" chose Jew which God foreknew, who will accept the finished work on Calvary and be added to the Church, the Israel Of God
Roman's 11:2KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
As scripture clearly teaches, Israel will not obtain salvation but will be blinded, only the chosen "Remnant Elect" will be saved and "Added To The Church", Gods Israel
All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Has Been Added To The Church, The Israel Of God
Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
(Which He Foreknew)
God has not cast away his people, the "Remnant Elect" chose Jew which God foreknew, who will accept the finished work on Calvary and be added to the Church, the Israel Of God
Roman's 11:2KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
As scripture clearly teaches, Israel will not obtain salvation but will be blinded, only the chosen "Remnant Elect" will be saved and "Added To The Church", Gods Israel
All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Has Been Added To The Church, The Israel Of God
Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.
Now this is in black and white, you are changing Scripture. Read it again.
"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]
This is speaking of Israel, the Jews. It says,
Gentiles (Christians) don't be ignorant/ conceited. Israel is blinded, until all Gentiles (Christians) come in. THEN what will happen?! He will turn godlessness away from whom? Not the Gentiles (Christians) but the Jews. It's clear and you are reading it and flat out denying what it says. You're 100% wrong.
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You sure?
What happened to this covenant?
Genesis 9:9-15
"And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your descendants after you, and with every living creature that [is] with you: the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark, every beast of the earth. Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth."
And God said:
"This [is] the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that [is] with you, for perpetual generations: I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; and I will remember My covenant which [is] between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh.
The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that [is] on the earth."
And God said to Noah,
"This [is] the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that [is] on the earth."
What happened to this covenant?
Genesis 9:9-15
"And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your descendants after you, and with every living creature that [is] with you: the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark, every beast of the earth. Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth."
And God said:
"This [is] the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that [is] with you, for perpetual generations: I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; and I will remember My covenant which [is] between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh.
The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that [is] on the earth."
And God said to Noah,
"This [is] the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that [is] on the earth."
The quote referring to 1/3 would be Zechariah 13:8-9 below
However the claim of "Worldwide" Jewery is false, as the Chapter explains it's in relationship to the fulfilling of the gentiles in Israel/Jerusalem
Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
However the claim of "Worldwide" Jewery is false, as the Chapter explains it's in relationship to the fulfilling of the gentiles in Israel/Jerusalem
Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
The scripture clearly teaches that when a person believes and is saved, they are sealed by God the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, simple
John 10:27-30KJV
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption
John 10:27-30KJV
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption
You did not answer my question are all those scriptures in reference to you ? and are you an ultra Calvinist?
1 Peter 2:9-10KJV
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
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