Who Made Official, December 25th As The Birthday Of Jesus Christ?

[Mem]

I've always thought if we're going to celebrate His birth at all it should be during a more realistic month or season. Everyone knows His birth could not have been on the pagan holiday on which Christmas now falls. If we're supposed to be dedicated to truth, why not celebrate on a more truthful day and month?

It's not impossible to imagine that the Light of the world might've come into the world on the darkest day... i.e., Arise shine thy light has come; darkness covers the earth and gross darkness the people but the glory of the Lord shall rise upon thee.

 

[DeanM]

Seems i read somewhere Dec 25 was chosen to coincide with a pagan holiday to make the pagans comfortable celebrating with christians in hopes of converting some. Cant recall the source and cant vouch for how accurate it is.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I've always thought if we're going to celebrate His birth at all it should be during a more realistic month or season.

While 1Cor11:26 does instruct us ('the Church which is His body') that "as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, YE DO SHEW/PROCLAIM [G2605] the Lord's DEATH TILL HE COME" [TILL He come FOR US] (at which point, "we" will be corporately PROCLAIMING *something ELSE* ), nowhere does Scripture say we cannot acknowledge His *birth*.

I believe that John 1:14's "the word was made flesh and DWELT / TABERNACLED among us" provides just one of the scriptural clues as to the timing of His "birth" (among others).

If He was indeed "born" on Tabernacles [Lev23:34,35,39a,b,40,42] (and circumcised "the eighth day" [Lev12:3; Lev23:36c,39c]), then *someone* HAS INDEED been told to "PROCLAIM" these particular "days"... for we read in THAT context, the following words: [Lev23] "1 Then the LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them, ‘These are My appointed feasts, the feasts of the LORD that you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies/convocations [/rehearsals].'"

(and we see "Tabernacles" AGAIN referred to in Zech14:16-19 as "instruction" for a particular *future* time-period--which I personally believe *will be* an acknowledgment/memorial [AT THAT *future* TIME/ERA] of His "birth-day" IOW, a celebration in acknowledgement of Him / His honor)

Everyone knows His birth could not have been on the pagan holiday on which Christmas now falls. If we're supposed to be dedicated to truth, why not celebrate on a more truthful day and month?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

(and we see "Tabernacles" AGAIN referred to in Zech14:16-19 as "instruction" for a particular *future* time-period--which I personally believe *will be* an acknowledgment/memorial [AT THAT *future* TIME/ERA] of His "birth-day" IOW, a celebration in acknowledgement of Him / His honor)

"the last shall be first, and the first last"

 

[Blik]

We partake of the Lord in his supper every Sunday. For us it is eating and drinking his death burial and resurrection, it is a Holy and solemn occasion, and a means of grace every Sunday. We also celebrate his birth and his resurrection as Holy convocations. Along with many other celebrations of the Lord.

Are you using these celebrations you endorse to celebrate the Lord, or do you use them to replace the celebrations that the lord suggests that we use?

The Lord warned us about copying pagan celebrations and trying to make them celebrations for Him. Are these celebrations you say is for the Lord truly for Him, or are the Christianized pagan ones?

I am with you, the Lord has used our Easter and Christmas for His kingdom, but at the same time, there are true questions about them. It seems to me these questions could best be answered by turning to the way that God told us to celebrate for that is celebrating the salvation the Lord has given us.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

you should change your name to opinion. your truth is not THE truth. bah humbug

you must be bored to start yet another Christmas thread

"Bah humbug" is from the "Christmas Carol".
In this classic story Scrooge is saved by false visions and good works.

1 John 4:1-2 (paraphrased)
Test the spirits to see if they are from God. Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ [risen] in the flesh is from God.

Did the spirits of Scrooge confess Jesus Christ risen in the flesh? No they did not.
How then is this a Christmas Carol?

1 John 4:3 - and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

Perhaps it should be called the "Antichrist-mas Carol".

 

[Hevosmies]

How does celebrating the incarnation of Christ "spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit"? How is it "after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ"?

Its not that, its all the santa claus' tomfoolery and christmas trees and commercialism. Them ones.

Celebration of Jesus' birth is GREAT!

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Oh I forgot, the female Angel's with long hair and harps, cant forget those on the ole pagan "Christmas Tree", Big Smiles

Jeremiah 10:2-5KJV
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

Hmmmmmm? Sounds like a like a Christmas tree to me too!

I dread having to put up the christmas tree every year. What am I serving? The culture.
I will be a bad dad who deprives his children if I don't put up this idol. How can you beat that?
People will think I'n not even christian. I will be called a Scrooge. Welcome to this World.
Satan laughs, and he laughs... but his time is short.

We must endure to the end.
And love covers a multitude of sins. This is the only way out.

 

[Truth7t7]

Hmmmmmm? Sounds like a like a Christmas tree to me too!

I dread having to put up the christmas tree every year. What am I serving? The culture.
I will be a bad dad who deprives his children if I don't put up this idol. How can you beat that?
People will think I'n not even christian. I will be called a Scrooge. Welcome to this World.
Satan laughs, and he laughs... but his time is short.

We must endure to the end.
And love covers a multitude of sins. This is the only way out.

About as honest as it gets, yes many are serving a non-christian culture, many dont have a clue, go with the flow

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[SophieT]

"Bah humbug" is from the "Christmas Carol".
In this classic story Scrooge is saved by false visions and good works.

1 John 4:1-2 (paraphrased)
Test the spirits to see if they are from God. Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ [risen] in the flesh is from God.

Did the spirits of Scrooge confess Jesus Christ risen in the flesh? No they did not.
How then is this a Christmas Carol?

1 John 4:3 - and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

Perhaps it should be called the "Antichrist-mas Carol".

I very well know where the expression came from.

Kindly address others who also have a problem with the premise of this op. I've encountered some real nastiness in this thread and I don't believe your 'advice' is necessary. Your comments amount to silliness if you think anyone believes that the story a 'Christmas Carol' is anything but fiction.

You use the name Nebuchadnezzer. Are you actually Nebuchadnezzer? why choose the name of a king of the Neo-Babylonian empire. maybe test those spirits

 

[CS1]

Jesus Christ gave a clear directive to the Church

(This Do In Remembrance Of Me)

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Ok, in context to Jesus and what is known as the last supper He said " Do this in remembrance of me Luke 22:19.
To say it is wrong to celebrate his birth is nothing in scripture that says we can't. That is a legalistic man-made opinion.
Nowhere is scripture does Jesus say You are not to honor my birth, nor does he say we are to do so. Yet is not a sin to do so.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

You use the name Nebuchadnezzer. Are you actually Nebuchadnezzer? why choose the name of a king of the Neo-Babylonian empire. maybe test those spirits

Daniel 4:34-37
34 At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my sanity was restored. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified him who lives forever.
His dominion is an eternal dominion;
his kingdom endures from generation to generation.
35 All the peoples of the earth
are regarded as nothing.
He does as he pleases
with the powers of heaven
and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back his hand
or say to him: “What have you done?”
36 At the same time that my sanity was restored, my honor and splendor were returned to me for the glory of my kingdom. My advisers and nobles sought me out, and I was restored to my throne and became even greater than before. 37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways are just. And those who walk in pride he is able to humble.

John 15:26-27
26 “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.


Hebrews 12:11
11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

I very well know where the expression came from.

Kindly address others who also have a problem with the premise of this op. I've encountered some real nastiness in this thread and I don't believe your 'advice' is necessary. Your comments amount to silliness if you think anyone believes that the story a 'Christmas Carol' is anything but fiction.

You use the name Nebuchadnezzer. Are you actually Nebuchadnezzer? why choose the name of a king of the Neo-Babylonian empire. maybe test those spirits

This somehow got posted to a different thread. So I will post here as it applies to the December 25th.

Romans 14:5
One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

 

[CS1]

This somehow got posted to a different thread. So I will post here as it applies to the December 25th.

Romans 14:5
One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

One must use the full chapter to apply Romans 14:5 that one verse doesn't mean anything in itself contextually.

Romans 14 is about
Principal of Conscience:

14:1-6


1 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.

3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.



For you don't honor the birth of Jesus but do as it is unto your conscience. BUT don't tell others it is wrong when the word doesn't say it is.

You use Roman 4:5 out of context.

 

[SophieT]

Daniel 4:34-37
34 At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my sanity was restored. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified him who lives forever.
His dominion is an eternal dominion;
his kingdom endures from generation to generation.
35 All the peoples of the earth
are regarded as nothing.
He does as he pleases
with the powers of heaven
and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back his hand
or say to him: “What have you done?”
36 At the same time that my sanity was restored, my honor and splendor were returned to me for the glory of my kingdom. My advisers and nobles sought me out, and I was restored to my throne and became even greater than before. 37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways are just. And those who walk in pride he is able to humble.

John 15:26-27
26 “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.


Hebrews 12:11
11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

well as par for the way certain people respond

quote scripture and dismiss other people

I can also quote scripture, however, doing so does not make me right and it does not make anyone right

the devil can quote scripture and he is still the devil. let's not pretend scripture quoting somehow increases the validity of what we say

 

[Truth7t7]

Ok, in context to Jesus and what is known as the last supper He said " Do this in remembrance of me Luke 22:19.
To say it is wrong to celebrate his birth is nothing in scripture that says we can't. That is a legalistic man-made opinion.
Nowhere is scripture does Jesus say You are not to honor my birth, nor does he say we are to do so. Yet is not a sin to do so.

You can do as you please, however Jesus Christ gave specific instruction to the Church on how to "Remember" him

Not His Birth, Not His Resurrection, But His "Death", Its That Simple

Jesus Christ gave a clear directive to the Church

(This Do In Remembrance Of Me)

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jesus Christ gave a clear directive to the Church (This Do In Remembrance Of Me)

True. And no Christian will doubt that. By the same token it does not preclude remembering either His birth or His resurrection. Indeed the first day of the week (THE LORD'S DAY) also commemorates Christ's resurrection. So it is a weekly remembrance of His death, burial, and resurrection. The Gospel.

If you have a beef with Christmas, that is perfectly fine. But Scripture gives Christians the liberty to either observe certain days or not observe them. And that is the crux of the matter.

ROMANS 14: CHRISTIAN LIBERTY REGARDING DAYS AND FOODS
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Christmas is a perfect time to make the Gospel known to the unbelieving world? Unbelievers should be challenged to ask themselves exactly why Christ -- who is Emmanuel was born on earth? While should lead straight to the Gospel.

 

[CS1]

You can do as you please, however Jesus Christ gave specific instruction to the Church on how to "Remember" him

Not His Birth, Not His Resurrection, But His "Death", Its That Simple

Jesus Christ gave a clear directive to the Church

(This Do In Remembrance Of Me)

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

you have assumed that was a law as if we only remember Jesus in that way.

You read the word of God and create legalist requirements for the lord's Supper? I guess we are all do eat and drink every service or once a month ON the first day of the Month Or maybe once a quarter.

Yet Jesus never said any of those things pertaining to The Lord's supper.

 

[Dino246]

You can do as you please, however Jesus Christ gave specific instruction to the Church on how to "Remember" him

Not His Birth, Not His Resurrection, But His "Death", Its That Simple

Why are you still yelling?

When you make everything important with boldface text, nothing is important. Emphasis is to be used sparingly.

 

[Truth7t7]

Why are you still yelling?

When you make everything important with boldface text, nothing is important. Emphasis is to be used sparingly.

False Accusations

2 Timothy 3:2-3KJV
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,