50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

[lamad]

The biggest flaw of the rapture theory is that the idea of it originated very late in Christianity. I’m not personally ok with a Christian belief that we can’t see any evidence of someone believing it until 1800 years after Christ’s death.

No, Paul was the first one because He got it by revelation knowledge.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

@GodMyFortress , Welcome to CC!


Consider the following:

I addressed that issue in Post #1934 (page 97) on the "Less well known Rapture verses..." thread (back on Feb 26):

https://christianchat.com/threads/l...the-rapture-is-compelling.197095/post-4499416



I quoted a paragraph written by Irenaeus there... which is worded in the same way that we "pre-tribbers" also point out Scripture saying...





(I thoroughly disagree with the idea that "pre-trib rapture" is a new idea introduced only in the 1800s... no. I do find that many find Paul's writings "hard to understand" )

 

[Absolutely]

The biggest flaw of the rapture theory is that the idea of it originated very late in Christianity. I’m not personally ok with a Christian belief that we can’t see any evidence of someone believing it until 1800 years after Christ’s death.

Thats already been debunked.
Writings have been found of pretrib rapture i think around 300 ad or so.

But the guys thar are your guide were flawed in that they viewed all end times through a prism of a destroyed israel and scattered people.
Some or most were amil.

Their doctrines were not that reliable.
Now that israel is re established we have a much clearer understanding of end times

Yet anti pretribs continue to paint themselves into a endtimes corner.

Not only are their no postrib rapture verses, but that " one coming" doctrine is poorly thought out.
Easily debunked.

 

[VCO]

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No, but I see the ERROR that ingnoring what it says in this verse can cause:

Malachi 3:6 (NJB)
6 ‘No; I, Yahweh, do not change;
and you have not ceased to be children of Jacob!

Also, I still think that part of the verse that speaks of "he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off" and Lazarus walking in his bosom.

That clearly indicates it was a VISION that the rich man had, seeing Abraham FAR OFF, in HEAVEN, walking with Abraham hand, in hand.
I have explained that is what mideasteners call walking in each others Bosoms. Just like President George Bush did. It is a culteral thing.
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Now How do I know up is looking into Heaven ? ? ?

I had ONE and only one VISION, the night I WAS SAVED.

I usually leave this part out of my testimony out, because some people just WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IT. After my third attempt at Suicide the last week on 1977, I totally surrendered to JESUS CHRIST out of LOVE. I had a vision, and a vision is so real, you cannot tell the difference between the VISION and REALITY. I had been Pleading with HIM for Forgiveness of my whole lifestyle, for 1.5 or maybe 2 hours, as I did not look at the clock. Suddenly I was transported to the CROSS, as I was still PLEADING with HIM, and weeping. I was on my knees before HIS CROSS, and HE WAS HANGING THERE. I looked up in the VISION, and saw the nails were not in the hands as I had been taught. THEY WERE IN HIS WRISTS. No one in the Church, where I took up space on a pew, thinking that and my infant baptism made me a Christian; none of them ever even told me that in HIS wrists was an option. It was YEARS LATER when I first heard a sermon about the NAILS were in the WRIST, and that is not a contradiction, as JEWS believe the WRISTS are Part of the Hands. I SAW blood dripping from the NAILS, and it fell on my FORARMS, and I knew HE had forgiven me of all my sins. That is where the VISION ENDED.

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No one can convince me that Abraham and Lazarus we in HEAVEN, and the RICH MAN was in Hades, a place for disembodied human spirits, a place of torment.

BIG TYPO:

No one can convince me that Abraham and Lazarus we NOT in HEAVEN, and the RICH MAN was in Hades, a place for disembodied human spirits, a place of torment.[/QUOTE]

 

[lamad]

BIG TYPO:

No one can convince me that Abraham and Lazarus we NOT in HEAVEN, and the RICH MAN was in Hades, a place for disembodied human spirits, a place of torment.

[/QUOTE]
Not even the HOly Spirit?

 

[Ahwatukee]

The King James Bible and the Received Text are correct in showing "the day of Christ" in this verse.

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand [present].
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοὸς, μητὲ θροεῖσθαι, μήτε διὰ πνεύματος, μήτε διὰ λόγου, μήτε δι’ ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι’ ἡμῶν, ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ Χριστοῦ·

The interlinear and the actual Greek have it "the Day of the Lord"

hē
the
hēmera
day
tou
of the
Kyriou
Lord

This fits into the context of "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him". This can only refer to the Rapture, and the "day of Christ" is a reference to the Rapture. This is a distinguishing term.

But "the day of the Lord" (properly "the day of the LORD (YHWH)" as found in the OT) refers to the Great Tribulation, therefore it is incorrect in this context. Paul is not talking about the Great Tribulation. He is addressing the concern of Christians who had been falsely told that the Rapture had already occurred, which would have meant that they had been left behind. So he his calming them down.

According to what you are saying, if I was to paraphrase the verse it would says:

"The coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him will not take place until the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him takes place"

He is also telling them in this chapter that the Rapture will come after the Apostasy or falling away of Christendom, which will then be followed by the revelation of the Antichrist. However, the Antichrist cannot be revealed until the divine Restrainer (the Holy Spirit) is "taken out of the way". Which also means that the true Church will be taken out of the way at the same time (at the Resurrection/Rapture). The Church will be absent from the earth when the Antichrist takes total control for 3 1/2 years.

The above does not support your claim, but mine. For the One who is Restraining is the Holy Spirit. And as you pointed out above, when the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way, then then the Church must also be taken out of the way "and then that lawless one will be revealed." So even in your own post you demonstrate that the Holy Spirit and the church must be taken out of the way before the man of lawlessness can be revealed.

The church will never see the antichrist, as we will have been gathered prior to his being revealed. Believers in the church will not be on the earth to see him make that seven year covenant with Israel.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Removing the Holy Spirit from Christianity creates some problems.

As I made clear, the removing of the Holy Spirit and the Church is simultaneous. Christendom is not exactly the Church. Only those who are within the Body of Christ.

 

[Runningman]

How absolutely amazing!

Paul wrote, "and now you KNOW what is restraining" (who that mysterious restrainer is) and you still don't know.

Paul told them verbally in person who the restrainer is, but didn't drop a name in 2 Thessalonians 2. The Thessalonian church knew who the restrainer is, unfortunately we aren't given enough information to form a conclusion. We can speculate based off of the context clues given.

2 Thessalonians 2:5-6
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The interlinear and the actual Greek have it "the Day of the Lord"

When you say "actual Greek" you mean the Critical Greek Text (since 1881). But the Textus Receptus as well as other traditional texts have "the day of Christ". And in my estimation, the TR is more trustworthy than the Critical Text.

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοός, μήτε θροεῖσθαι, μήτε διὰ πνεύματος, μήτε διὰ λόγου, μήτε δι’ ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι’ ἡμῶν, ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ χριστοῦ·

Greek Orthodox Church 1904
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοὸς μηδὲ θροεῖσθαι μήτε διὰ πνεύματος μήτε διὰ λόγου μήτε δι’ ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι’ ἡμῶν, ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ Χριστοῦ.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοὸς, μητὲ θροεῖσθαι, μήτε διὰ πνεύματος, μήτε διὰ λόγου, μήτε δι’ ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι’ ἡμῶν, ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ Χριστοῦ·

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοὸς μήτε θροεῖσθαι μήτε διὰ πνεύματος μήτε διὰ λόγου μητὲ δι' ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι' ἡμῶν ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ Χριστοῦ·

DAY OF CHRIST = THE DAY OF THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE

DAY OF THE LORD = THE GREAT TRIBULATION PERIOD

 

[Ahwatukee]

The King James Bible and the Received Text are correct in showing "the day of Christ" in this verse.

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand [present].
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοὸς, μητὲ θροεῖσθαι, μήτε διὰ πνεύματος, μήτε διὰ λόγου, μήτε δι’ ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι’ ἡμῶν, ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ Χριστοῦ·

This fits into the context of "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him". This can only refer to the Rapture, and the "day of Christ" is a reference to the Rapture. This is a distinguishing term.

But "the day of the Lord" (properly "the day of the LORD (YHWH)" as found in the OT) refers to the Great Tribulation, therefore it is incorrect in this context. Paul is not talking about the Great Tribulation. He is addressing the concern of Christians who had been falsely told that the Rapture had already occurred, which would have meant that they had been left behind. So he his calming them down.

He is also telling them in this chapter that the Rapture will come after the Apostasy or falling away of Christendom, which will then be followed by the revelation of the Antichrist. However, the Antichrist cannot be revealed until the divine Restrainer (the Holy Spirit) is "taken out of the way". Which also means that the true Church will be taken out of the way at the same time (at the Resurrection/Rapture). The Church will be absent from the earth when the Antichrist takes total control for 3 1/2 years.

The “Day of the Lord” and the “Day of Christ” are used to describe different events and therefore are not identical terms. The Day of the Lord refers to God’s judgment and isn’t tied to one specific event. The Day of Christ, on the other hand, is a specific day when Jesus will reward His children at the gathering of the church. The bodies of those who have died in Christ will be resurrected from the dead and those believers who are alive when He returns will be transformed into glorious bodies (1 Thess. 4:13-17). “The day of Christ” relates wholly to the reward and blessing of the saints at His coming, as “day of the Lord” is connected with judgment.

 

[Ahwatukee]

When you say "actual Greek" you mean the Critical Greek Text (since 1881). But the Textus Receptus as well as other traditional texts have "the day of Christ". And in my estimation, the TR is more trustworthy than the Critical Text.

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοός, μήτε θροεῖσθαι, μήτε διὰ πνεύματος, μήτε διὰ λόγου, μήτε δι’ ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι’ ἡμῶν, ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ χριστοῦ·

Greek Orthodox Church 1904
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοὸς μηδὲ θροεῖσθαι μήτε διὰ πνεύματος μήτε διὰ λόγου μήτε δι’ ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι’ ἡμῶν, ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ Χριστοῦ.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοὸς, μητὲ θροεῖσθαι, μήτε διὰ πνεύματος, μήτε διὰ λόγου, μήτε δι’ ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι’ ἡμῶν, ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ Χριστοῦ·

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοὸς μήτε θροεῖσθαι μήτε διὰ πνεύματος μήτε διὰ λόγου μητὲ δι' ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι' ἡμῶν ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ Χριστοῦ·

DAY OF CHRIST = THE DAY OF THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE

DAY OF THE LORD = THE GREAT TRIBULATION PERIOD

The Day of the Lord does not just encompass the great tribulation period, i.e. the last 3 1/2 years. The antichrist will be revealed when he makes his covenant with Israel. Anyone who has studied the word of God would know that it is him once he makes that seven year covenant.

The rider on the white horse at the opening of the first seal is symbolically representing 'the antichrist' and not 'antichrists,' and who has not has not yet been revealed.

However, we know that you have your own beliefs on this, even believing that we are already into the seals, which I do not not agree with and that because it is the wrath of God which we are not appointed to suffer. So, we'll just have to wait until it all unfolds then we will all know the answer.

 

[lamad]

Paul told them verbally in person who the restrainer is, but didn't drop a name in 2 Thessalonians 2. The Thessalonian church knew who the restrainer is, unfortunately we aren't given enough information to form a conclusion. We can speculate based off of the context clues given.

2 Thessalonians 2:5-6
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

I think the reason Paul wrote "and now you know" is because He just told them, but did it in a hidden way.

 

[lamad]

When you say "actual Greek" you mean the Critical Greek Text (since 1881). But the Textus Receptus as well as other traditional texts have "the day of Christ". And in my estimation, the TR is more trustworthy than the Critical Text.

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοός, μήτε θροεῖσθαι, μήτε διὰ πνεύματος, μήτε διὰ λόγου, μήτε δι’ ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι’ ἡμῶν, ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ χριστοῦ·

Greek Orthodox Church 1904
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοὸς μηδὲ θροεῖσθαι μήτε διὰ πνεύματος μήτε διὰ λόγου μήτε δι’ ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι’ ἡμῶν, ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ Χριστοῦ.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοὸς, μητὲ θροεῖσθαι, μήτε διὰ πνεύματος, μήτε διὰ λόγου, μήτε δι’ ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι’ ἡμῶν, ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ Χριστοῦ·

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
εἰς τὸ μὴ ταχέως σαλευθῆναι ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ νοὸς μήτε θροεῖσθαι μήτε διὰ πνεύματος μήτε διὰ λόγου μητὲ δι' ἐπιστολῆς ὡς δι' ἡμῶν ὡς ὅτι ἐνέστηκεν ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ Χριστοῦ·

DAY OF CHRIST = THE DAY OF THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE

DAY OF THE LORD = THE GREAT TRIBULATION PERIOD

Which term did Paul use in his first letter - and about the same subject: His coming and the gathering: There he used "The day of the Lord."

 

[VCO]

Not even the HOly Spirit?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="VCO,]
BIG TYPO:

No one can convince me that Abraham and Lazarus were NOT in HEAVEN, and the RICH MAN was in Hades, a place for disembodied human spirits, a place of torment.[/QUOTE]

THAT INCLUDES HAVING BEEN CONVINVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, is WHY.

 

[Truth7t7]

The antichrist will be revealed when he makes his covenant with Israel. Anyone who has studied the word of God would know that it is him once he makes that seven year covenant.

The Antichrist will be given power 42 months, he will be present on earth when Jesus Christ destroys him with the brightness of his coming

No place in scripture does it state a (7) year covenant as you claim

Revelation 13:5KJV
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[lamad]

Not even the HOly Spirit?

[QUOTE="VCO,]
BIG TYPO:

No one can convince me that Abraham and Lazarus were NOT in HEAVEN, and the RICH MAN was in Hades, a place for disembodied human spirits, a place of torment.[/QUOTE]

THAT INCLUDES HAVING BEEN CONVINVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, is WHY.[/QUOTE]
The biggest reason why NOT is simply because Jesus had not died and risen yet. NO ONE could get into heaven yet with the exception of Enoch and Elijah.

 

[Jordan]

By anyone's standard of measure that's a lot of reasons!

https://lifecoach4god.life/2013/06/...etribulational-rapture-by-dr-john-f-walvoord/

Buck up Brethren and start living by faith, cause if not you shall fail, and compromise for convenience sake, and all the doctors of theology in their bible sanctuaries wpont be able to help you with excuses. We all have to put in the fire to test our metal, and fiber so we can come out as gold or silver OR melt away in excuses.

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

 

[cv5]

Buck up Brethren and start living by faith, cause if not you shall fail, and compromise for convenience sake, and all the doctors of theology in their bible sanctuaries wpont be able to help you with excuses. We all have to put in the fire to test our metal, and fiber so we can come out as gold or silver OR melt away in excuses.

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

"thy people" "thy people"
That entire passage from beginning to end deals with Israelites. The Church has already been raptured.

Time to buck up on your Bible studies son....

 

[Absolutely]

Buck up Brethren and start living by faith, cause if not you shall fail, and compromise for convenience sake, and all the doctors of theology in their bible sanctuaries wpont be able to help you with excuses. We all have to put in the fire to test our metal, and fiber so we can come out as gold or silver OR melt away in excuses.

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

No verse says noah, lot, or the baby Jesus remained where they were DURING judgement and THEN were gathered up AFTER JUDGEMENT.

Postrob rapture is poorly thought out.

Especially with Noah who was not only safe in the ark( a type of heaven) but was carried over a mile into the heavens.
Then RETURNED POSTRIB BACK TO EARTH.
Pretrib rapture....vividly pictured.

Postribbers need the story reversed!!!!!

Please think for just one second.
Postrib rapture is impossible

 

[Nehemiah6]

No place in scripture does it state a (7) year covenant as you claim

You need to understand that many things are implied in Scripture, and a seven year covenant is IMPLIED in Daniel 9:27: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The week mentioned here (as is clear from the context) is a period seven years -- a heptad -- therefore a "week" of seven years. So this seven year covenant is definitely in Scripture. But it is a deceptive covenant, in that after 3 1/2 years ("in the midst of the week") it is violated and nullified by the Antichrist.