The Trinity Doctrine in the Bible

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phil36 said:
But there is a distinction.... thats why I use the a small 'c' in catholic church the one true universal church not the Roman Catholic church.
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So, objectively through history the RCC as you call it can trace itself all the way back to Peter in an unbroken line of succession of Bishops. The Orthodox Church’s don’t deny this and it is literally recorded history, it’s a verifiable thing.

That is the Catholic Church. You cannot be the church established by Christ if you can’t trace your church back to the apostles. I want to believe as early Christians believed, so I’m Catholic and not Protestant.
 
Magenta said:
You made the original claim, so the onus is on you to prove what you have said.

I merely claimed you have no way of proving what you said.

You speculate and promote your imaginings as fact.

Furthermore, you set a standard you cannot adhere to with your own beliefs.

That's called hypocrisy.
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I made the claim that you will not find unique Protestant beliefs in early Christianity. For someone to say that, that is a big statement and it’s also easily refutable in the 21st century if it’s not true. I can’t find your faith in the writings of those holy people because they were all Catholics.
 
BamaPapist said:
So, objectively through history the RCC as you call it can trace itself all the way back to Peter in an unbroken line of succession of Bishops. The Orthodox Church’s don’t deny this and it is literally recorded history, it’s a verifiable thing.

That is the Catholic Church. You cannot be the church established by Christ if you can’t trace your church back to the apostles. I want to believe as early Christians believed, so I’m Catholic and not Protestant.
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I'm catholic as are all who are in Christ. Not Catholic! That is why you keep using capitol C...it is Roman Catholic and not the Universal catholic church. we see this in the Nicene creed small 'c'.

I have the Apostles teachings in scripture. I have the words God wanted me (all christians) to have, sufficient for all matters of faith.

Inerrancy necessitates infallibility..you have yet to provide scriptural evidence that the men in the magesterium are inerrant and infallible That scripture is insufficient for all matters of faith. therefore deficient.
 
BamaPapist said:
Papal infallibility is a big topic because you also have to talk about apostolic succession. All the answers you’re looking for is in document Pastor Aeternus from the 1st Vatican Council. Give that a read if you’re interested.
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it is only a topic among RCC because most of us here the pope is errored.
 
phil36 said:
I'm catholic as are all who are in Christ. Not Catholic! That is why you keep using capitol C...it is Roman Catholic and not the Universal catholic church. we see this in the Nicene creed small 'c'.

I have the Apostles teachings in scripture. I have the words God wanted me (all christians) to have, sufficient for all matters of faith.

Inerrancy necessitates infallibility..you have yet to provide scriptural evidence that the men in the magesterium are inerrant and infallible That scripture is insufficient for all matters of faith. therefore deficient.
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You don’t have the apostolic teaching, you have the words they wrote but not the meaning of those words because you have no apostolic succession that passed on the oral tradition of the church that Paul commanded be passed down.

Read (Pastor aeternus) from the first Vatican Council if your interested in papal supremacy:
 
CS1 said:
it is only a topic among RCC because most of us here the pope is errored.
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Protestantism is a minority position in Christianity. You can add up every Protestant type Christian and count them all together and it still wouldn’t make your interpretation the most widely acceptable among Christians.
 
BamaPapist said:
You don’t have the apostolic teaching, you have the words they wrote but not the meaning of those words because you have no apostolic succession that passed on the oral tradition of the church that Paul commanded be passed down.

Read (Pastor aeternus) from the first Vatican Council if your interested in papal supremacy:
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BamaPapist said:
You don’t have the apostolic teaching, you have the words they wrote but not the meaning of those words because you have no apostolic succession that passed on the oral tradition of the church that Paul commanded be passed down.

Read (Pastor aeternus) from the first Vatican Council if your interested in papal supremacy:
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What is scripture?
 
GaryA said:
Nope.

Protestantism came about after Catholicism; however, long before Catholicism existed as a whim in the mind of Constantine, the true churches were "the real deal"...

https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books, Tracts & Preaching/Printed Books/trail_of_blood_jm_carroll.htm
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wrong, protestant came out of RCC because of the heretical of the doctrines they were teaching. pray to dead saints and Mary and pay for your loved ones to get out of hell.

Do you know that salvation in the RCC comes by way of the partaking of the Eucharist? The Preist during mass will not allow non-members to partake. They restrict what they call salvation to those who are only members of the RCC.

You can't even be saved unless you become a member of the RCC.
 
BamaPapist said:
Protestantism is a minority position in Christianity. You can add up every Protestant type Christian and count them all together and it still wouldn’t make your interpretation the most widely accepted among Christians.
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it is better to be in the minority and right with God's word than be the majority on their way to hell. Jesus was clear narrow is the way and few be that find it.

God will hold accountable the RCC leaders for leading so many people away from the Lord Jesus. The pride and arrogance have prevented the RCC from that fear. But God nonethe less will hold those accountable.

Paul was clear to preach any other gospel than what was given is anti-christ
 
CS1 said:
wrong, protestant came out of RCC because of the heretical of the doctrines they were teaching. pray to dead saints and Mary and pay for your loved ones to get out of hell.

Do you know that salvation in the RCC comes by way of the partaking of the Eucharist? The Preist during mass will not allow non-members to partake. They restrict what they call salvation to those who are only members of the RCC.

You can't even be saved unless you become a member of the RCC.
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You find all that odd because all you’ve ever know about Christianity is division and fraction. Christ created one universal church, not thousands of church’s that all disagree with each other.

If you reject the Church Christ established, you reject Christ (he who rejects you, rejects me).
 
CS1 said:
it is better to be in the minority and right with God's word than be the majority on their way to hell. Jesus was clear narrow is the way and few be that find it.

God will hold accountable the RCC leaders for leading so many people away from the Lord Jesus. The pride and arrogance have prevented the RCC from that fear. But God nonethe less will hold those accountable.

Paul was clear to preach any other gospel than what was given is anti-christ
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You’re in the minority because your beliefs are not attested to by early Christians. You just do like the Mormans do and say that your particular biblical philosophy is correct and others are wrong, yet you do not claim to know for sure.

You have no basis to believe you’re right other than you saying you’re right. The Catholic Church has established its beliefs about authority from the Bible (there’s plenty of stuff written on this for you to read, and history supports its claim as apostolic.) You have nothing credible to argue with. You don’t claim infallibility so your interpretations are not credible.
 
BamaPapist said:
You find all that odd because all you’ve ever know about Christianity is division and fraction. Christ created one universal church, not thousands of church’s that all disagree with each other.

If you reject the Church Christ established, you reject Christ (he who rejects you, rejects me).
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Nope I was raised RCC and thank God I found Jesus and was taken out a dead faith, a dead church, preaching a dead message, and relying on dead people to pray for them. Jesus Is alive and Lord.

the RCC has seen such a big exodus they are now having TV ads telling people to come back. The RCC touting of being the first is nothing new the RCC are the first


  1. to lie to the people
  2. to make doctrine to fleece the flock ( take money)
  3. the first to get in government
  4. the first to take the bible from people
  5. the first to abuse children
  6. the first to have a gay priest
  7. they are not turning to universalism as this Pope has stated Islam is too away to heaven.
  8. The first to display hypocrisy


Yes, the RCC is the first church to sin Greatly against the Living God. They have turned more people into a child of the devil than any Pharisees Jesus spoke about in Matthew 23. Tey will be judged by the living God for it.
 
BamaPapist said:
You’re in the minority because your beliefs are not attested to by early Christians. You just do like the Mormans do and say that your particular biblical philosophy is correct and others are wrong, yet you do not claim to know for sure.

You have no basis to believe you’re right other than you saying you’re right. The Catholic Church has established its beliefs about authority from the Bible (there’s plenty of stuff written on this for you to read, and history supports its claim as apostolic.) You have nothing credible to argue with. You don’t claim infallibility so your interpretations are not credible.
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Nope the RCC is. and that is why many are leaving. I am not like the Mormons,

Jesus CHRIST IS GOD AND THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER

Mormons are more like the RCC who has embraced Islam, we evangelicals and fundamentalists Hold to Jesus as our Lord and Savior and he is the only way.
 
CS1 said:
Nope the RCC is. and that is why many are leaving. I am not like the Mormons,

Jesus CHRIST IS GOD AND THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER

Mormons are more like the RCC who has embraced Islam, we evangelicals and fundamentalists Hold to Jesus as our Lord and Savior and he is the only way.
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Go count the number of Catholics and then go count the number of Baptists, Presbyterian, etc and get back to me. You are a clear minority.
 
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