Wrong again. The experience of Israel is fundamental to the concept of the "elect".
By Nature Children of Wrath as others !
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"elect children of wrath"????
"elect" AND "children" AND "of" AND "wrath"
occurs 0 times in 0 verses in the KJV.
occurs 0 times in 0 verses in the KJV.
you just make stuff up and pass it off as if your surmisings have some basis in Truth.
so you agree your dogma does not align with Scripture, but as long as "they prove [your] point", that's okay with you???
Nope. That's just your spin because you believe you are one of those "elect children of wrath".
what about Christians who refuse to repent and continue In Sin though ?
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV
it doesn’t seem as though they escaped wrath because they continued serving sin
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;”
Romans 1:18 KJV
it seems as if Gods wrath is upon all sin and ungodliness of man and that if we keep serving sin and ungodliness we can’t be saved . But what about grace? Gods grave teaches repentance from sin in order to give salvation from wrath
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”
Titus 2:11-14 KJV
Repentance is part of it wrath is upon sin and ungodliness we have to part from sin and ungodliness and walk in repentance. But receiving the Holy Spirit guarantees salvstion right ?
“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”
Hebrews 6:4-8 KJV
if we don’t bear the fruit of the gospel and keep beating sinful fruits we’re going to be gathered and burned even though he died for our sins he never told us we could keep sinning worry free . He never said if you don’t repent it doesn’t matter your saved .
christians have to believe the warning about repentance so they don’t partake of the wrath upon all sin and ungodliness
it’s a matter of them serving sin or serving God . The church and all the believers in it need to acknowledge the truth not avoid it
we have been offered an inheritance in Christ , our behavior can exclude us from the inheritance and include us in the curse in other words we shouldn’t tell believers that Thier current and future behavior is excused but the church should be warning them about continuing in sin because of this
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:16, 19-21 KJV
Gods very good and he’s able to save us if we believe what he said if we reject it and refuse to acknowledge the truth about sin and damnation we’re deceiving ourselves and anyone who’s willing to believe us
Yea I’m not sure why the quote he used in the op didn’t register
“Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.”
Ephesians 2:3 KJV
Duh Yeah. Who you think Paul is writing to in Eph ? The Elect, and they were by nature children of wrath as others !"elect children of wrath"????
"elect" AND "children" AND "of" AND "wrath"occurs 0 times in 0 verses in the KJV.
you just make stuff up and pass it off as if your surmisings have some basis in Truth.
to Compare what you are saying against it possibly to inspire thought in you as to why all that other stuff is there and why it contradicts what you are saying
I think in a biblical discussion forum scripture should sort of guide what we’re talking about , why did you avoid it so quickly and label it spam ?
if you don’t want me to interact with you I will respect that but in a public forum of what you are saying is opposite of what scripture says , I think it inspires discussion or at least thought to present the scriptures perspective
I meant no offense honestly was just reading what you said and it sounds the opposite of what’s in those scriptures or “ spam “ as you labeled them I suppose the simple answer is Because truth matters for salvation
exactly all Are it’s why we have to believe Jesus and the gospel that is what brings us out of the wrath upon all sinners because of sin in them
to get Gods wrath removed from us is when we accept the gospel the word he preached , his testimony from heaven if we reject the gospel he preached the wrath remains on us
“He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
John 3:31-36 KJV
what he taught was Gods word filled with Gods spirit and Gods truth meant for eternal salvation we can accept and believe and be saved from the already certain wrath that is now in measure in the world , and is to come
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
or we can do this with his word
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
Jesus is the way out of the wrath already ordained upon creation of which we are a part it’s all about believing the gospel he preached and sent to all that’s the only way to come out of Gods wrath d believing the gospel includes repentance which he taught in a better way than ever before
And it creates repentance in our faith to believe his word pertaining to repentance and judgement to come we don’t have to be sinless no one is we have to walk in his doctrine
“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”
Mark 11:25
Things like this that Jesus doctrine teaches gives us life when we acknowledge our own imperfections and begging to walk in repentance knowing it means to turn our will against sin , and believe the gospel .
Jesus doctrine offers forenearance so we aren’t condemned for each sin like the law , but if we walk in the gospel our inner compass will always tell us when we’ve offended the lords will and we can then repent and continue in the salvation Walk with him repentance begins with acknowledging our own sins against his word if we look
Into it like a mirror it brings repentance
“And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:31-32
SomGod sent the gospel into the world And waiting for us to respond and repent because he doesn’t want us to perish but he isn’t waiting forever
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
if we don’t repent well Perish like all sinners he’s calling but who will believe
You shouldn't spam up scripture. For all i know, you quote all those scriptures and probably haven't studied one of them.
The Elect aren't under Gods wrath at anytime, not even while they are by nature children of wrath like others Eph 2:3 ! The reason being is because all what they are by nature as ungodly rebels and sinners, has already been laid upon Christ, and He has provided satisfaction to Gods Justice for what they are by nature. God needs no more satisfaction against their sins, He's appeased on their behalf.16
God does not just accept children of wrath, He changes them by filling them with His Holy Spirit who in turn changes their hearts by filling them with love. Not being able to obey the letter of the Law, we now are able to obey the Spirit of the Law simply by doing everything with Love.
This has nothing to do with what Im speaking of. Did you understand my point ?
