Repentance and baptism

[CS1]

I only mentioned Barton because he was suggested to her by another poster here as a reliable apologist.

The man is a known deceiver, and I don't want her to be deceived by his teachings.

It's that simple.

Generally speaking, however, I totally agree with you that her/our focus should be upon Jesus from the word of God.

I know what you are doing and yes it is commendable to counter any questionable apologist. I think sometimes we want to help we hurt the growth of others with over information OUTside the bible(not you).

amen, there are many out there that are very much deceptive.

 

[Live4Him]

I know what you are doing and yes it is commendable to counter any questionable apologist. I think sometimes we want to help we hurt the growth of others with over information OUTside the bible(not you).

amen, there are many out there that are very much deceptive.

I totally agree with you.

My goal is to always point people to God's word which needs to be prayerfully read with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth.

If we know the truth, then we'll automatically recognize anything that is contrary to it as error.

Contrariwise, if we begin with the teachings of men, then all sorts of problems are inevitable, and Christ's actual teachings regularly get lost in the mix.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

You're terribly wrong in your assessment of Barton. His writings are laced with inaccuracies and outright lies, and many within the Christian community are rightly denouncing his works.

https://www.au.org/church-state/october-2012-church-state/featured/the-barton-lies-debunked

You are quite misinformed. I especially wouldn't take your link to heart as it is supported by the Americans united for Seperation of church and state. That is a bias forcing them to oppose his work.

Many within the Christian community? I hear the opposite.

It was a true privilege to have“America’s Historian,” David Barton present. David has been named by Time Magazine as one of America’s top 25 Most Influential Christian Leaders! David is the author of numerous best- selling books and owns a massive library of over one hundred thousand original writings from the Founding era. His exhaustive research has rendered him an expert in historical and constitutional issues and he serves as a consultant to state and federal legislators and participated in several cases at the Supreme Court.

https://www.cultureshield.com/david-barton/

His research has also been in American history txt books all throughout the country.

Of course, we are seeing a liberal push to eliminate what he teaches. Instead we see things like the 1619 project or critical race theory.

All his work is back by sources mostly being the original writings of the founding fathers that you can read online.

 

[Live4Him]

You are quite misinformed. I especially wouldn't take your link to heart as it is supported by the Americans united for Seperation of church and state. That is a bias forcing them to oppose his work.

Many within the Christian community? I hear the opposite.

It was a true privilege to have“America’s Historian,” David Barton present. David has been named by Time Magazine as one of America’s top 25 Most Influential Christian Leaders! David is the author of numerous best- selling books and owns a massive library of over one hundred thousand original writings from the Founding era. His exhaustive research has rendered him an expert in historical and constitutional issues and he serves as a consultant to state and federal legislators and participated in several cases at the Supreme Court.

https://www.cultureshield.com/david-barton/

His research has also been in American history txt books all throughout the country.

Of course, we are seeing a liberal push to eliminate what he teaches. Instead we see things like the 1619 project or critical race theory.

All his work is back by sources mostly being the original writings of the founding fathers that you can read online.

It's not "a liberal push".

If you took the time to actually read the article that I linked to, then you would recognize that it is CHRISTIANS who are rightly opposing Barton's OUTRIGHT LIES WHICH I'VE HEARD HIM UTTER WITH MY OWN TWO EARS OUT OF HIS OWN LYING MOUTH.

Anyhow, believe what you'd like to believe. I've presented you with the truth. Whatever you do with it is entirely up to you.

 

[Live4Him]

All his work is back by sources mostly being the original writings of the founding fathers that you can read online.

This would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

The guy KNOWINGLY AND DELIBERATELY pull bits of what certain founding fathers said TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT while applying THE POLAR OPPOSITE MEANINGS to things that they actually said.

This is well-documented, and he's an impenitent sinner in relation to the same.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

It's not "a liberal push".

If you took the time to actually read the article that I linked to, then you would recognize that it is CHRISTIANS who are rightly opposing Barton's OUTRIGHT LIES WHICH I'VE HEARD HIM UTTER WITH MY OWN TWO EARS OUT OF HIS OWN LYING MOUTH.

Anyhow, believe what you'd like to believe. I've presented you with the truth. Whatever you do with it is entirely up to you.

Which lie did you hear. I will debate you on the truth. If truth is important and it is then let's see who is right. Who can defend the truth?

By the way your article won't even load. But I did look to see who wrote it. You take any good Christian and you will have haters. Including Jesus.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

This would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

The guy KNOWINGLY AND DELIBERATELY pull bits of what certain founding fathers said TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT while applying THE POLAR OPPOSITE MEANINGS to things that they actually said.

This is well-documented, and he's an impenitent sinner in relation to the same.

Prove it.

 

[Live4Him]

Which lie did you hear. I will debate you on the truth. If truth is important and it is then let's see who is right. Who can defend the truth?

By the way your article won't even load. But I did look to see who wrote it. You take any good Christian and you will have haters. Including Jesus.

Even Thomas Nelson Publishers pulled his book:

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...holars-smack-down-an-unruly-colleague/260994/

 

[Live4Him]

Prove it.

I offered you proof in the video that I linked to.

I'm not going to tie you to a chair and force you to watch it.

Anyhow, I've provided you with enough resources already. What you do with them is entirely up to you.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Even Thomas Nelson Publishers pulled his book:

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...holars-smack-down-an-unruly-colleague/260994/

And what were the inaccuracies? How many books does he have? They pulled this book due to the heat it got.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I offered you proof in the video that I linked to.

I'm not going to tie you to a chair and force you to watch it.

Anyhow, I've provided you with enough resources already. What you do with them is entirely up to you.

I have heard the opposition already. You are not the first. So debate the lies.

 

[Monika]

Something different happens when 2 or more gather in the name of the Lord
Is God there when we pray?
Yes of course

Hi, Monika and @Roughsoul1991.

I need to caution you both about David Barton.

The man is a KNOWN DECEIVER, and an impenitent one at that.

Don't take my word for it.

HIS OWN WORDS show him to be the same.

I'm going to link you to a video entitled "The Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers". It's about 3 hours long, and I would heartily recommend that you watch all of it. If you cannot, then please begin watching it at the 2 hour 2 minute and 30 second mark because that is where Barton's DELIBERATE FALSE TEACHINGS begin to be exposed. You might have to click where it says "Watch on YouTube" in the lower left hand corner of the video to get it to play in your browser.

Here is the link:

I just watched it from 2 hour mark. I will play it safe and avoid David. Thanks

 

[Live4Him]

I just watched it from 2 hour mark. I will play it safe and avoid David. Thanks

You're welcome.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I offered you proof in the video that I linked to.

I'm not going to tie you to a chair and force you to watch it.

Anyhow, I've provided you with enough resources already. What you do with them is entirely up to you.

Of course. I watched where you told me to watch and that was not a good counter argument to America not being founded on a Judeo-Christian foundation.

Would you like to say the opposite?

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

When ever you feel moved to do so..



The Atonement of the LORD Jesus is had when one believes Jesus and trusts that His Atonement pays the penalty for ones sins.. Salvation is not dependent on us doing a perfect Work of confessing every transgressions we have ever committed during out time on earth.. If that where the case then no one would be saved..



If you believe Jesus His Words and if you Trust in the Atonement for our sins He secured by his death on the cross then you will be Redeemed upon the day of the Resurrection..



Another Work that is not essential.. But if you feel moved to do so then you will be making public what has already happened within you.. And it is nice to make a public show of your faith..

Do not tell people not to get baptized. How satanic and evil can one get?

 

[CS1]

You are quite misinformed. I especially wouldn't take your link to heart as supported by the Americans united for Seperation of church and state. That is a bias forcing them to oppose his work.

Many within the Christian community? I hear the opposite.

It was a true privilege to have“America’s Historian,” David Barton pres, ent. David has been named by Time Magazine as one of America’s top 25 Most Influential Christian Leaders! David is the author of numerous best- selling books and owns a massive library of over one hundred thousand original writings from the Founding era. His exhaustive research has rendered him an expert in historical and constitutional issues. He served as a consultant to state and federal legislators and participated in several cases at the Supreme Court.

https://www.cultureshield.com/david-barton/

His research has also been in American history txt books all throughout the country.

Of course, we are seeing a liberal push to eliminate what he teaches. Instead we see things like the 1619 project or critical race theory.

All his work is back by sources mostly being the original writings of the founding fathers that you can read online.

I want to be respectful and explain something you may not have considered.

Biblical Christian theology doctrines come solely from the word of God.

All those I am a Christian and an American, other theologies are held to the same relevance as the word of God, and it is an error and will always be error and prideful.

They can be edifying, but many times those who are zealous about the history when it is under attack try to over help out the narrative with false statements because they thought most would not validate the assertion.

This is no different than Pentecostals, which I am, who think they have to help the Holy Spirit do His Job and create a false move of God. God doesn't do false or lies.

Although Barton is a likable guy and has said many good true things, he has embellished the history to make American history more godly. That is wrong. It is wrong when the school system does it, and it is wrong when the church does it.

Here are some theologies many Christian embraces out of emotion and what they believe is true and are not the full truth.

Remember 99% doctrinal truth and 1% arsenic can kill you. Here are some bad ones you ready?

1. American theology
2. black liberation theology
3. liberal Christian theology
4. critical race theology
5. postmodern theology

All of these have taken past history and applied based on half-truth, which is a lie.

Jesus Is the only truth, way, and life.

Your American, European, African, race & ethnicity DID NOT SAVE YOU NOR DOES IT GIVE YOU Preference with the Living God.

IF your " Christian theology" was not built on the foundational truth of Christ ONLY and His Word, it is DEAD, DEAD< DEAD.

Your whiteness or blackness or education, or location will not save you OR YOUR NATIONS PERCEIVED RIGHITUOSNESS. There is no collective salvation Jesus cam to call all individually to the foot of the Cross, there you and I must go and if alone we must go.

And until you position yourself AT the foot of the cross of Christ and surrender to HIM. CAN I GET AN AMEN and I did not mean to PREACH but amen! cs1

 

[Live4Him]

Of course. I watched where you told me to watch and that was not a good counter argument to America not being founded on a Judeo-Christian foundation.

Would you like to say the opposite?

Huh?

I recommended that particular part of the video in order to document Barton's lies.

As far as "a good counter argument to America not being founded on a Judeo-Christian foundation" is concerned, I also provided you with a link to something I had written and posted on this forum a while back.

Anyhow, I'm not going to derail this thread.

I mentioned Barton because you recommended him as a trustworthy apologist, and he's anything but the same.

The guy is a bold-faced liar.

If you want to start a separate thread about him, then that's your prerogative to do so.

Out of respect for Monika, I'm not discussing Barton here anymore. She watched the video herself, and drew her own (right) conclusion. I'm content with that.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I just watched it from 2 hour mark. I will play it safe and avoid David. Thanks

Everyone has haters including Jesus. All of Barton's work is well sourced and referenced. I had critics telling me the same thing until I looked at all his sources and to my surprise it was legit. Time and time again I was surprised of the evidence. But the only way we ever know is to examine it ourselves and come to our own conclusions. This is all I have to say on this lol

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I want to be respectful and explain something you may not have considered.

Biblical Christian theology doctrines come solely from the word of God.

All those I am a Christian and an American, other theologies are held to the same relevance as the word of God, and it is an error and will always be error and prideful.

They can be edifying, but many times those who are zealous about the history when it is under attack try to over help out the narrative with false statements because they thought most would not validate the assertion.

This is no different than Pentecostals, which I am, who think they have to help the Holy Spirit do His Job and create a false move of God. God doesn't do false or lies.

Although Barton is a likable guy and has said many good true things, he has embellished the history to make American history more godly. That is wrong. It is wrong when the school system does it, and it is wrong when the church does it.

Here are some theologies many Christian embraces out of emotion and what they believe is true and are not the full truth.

Remember 99% doctrinal truth and 1% arsenic can kill you. Here are some bad ones you ready?

1. American theology
2. black liberation theology
3. liberal Christian theology
4. critical race theology
5. postmodern theology

All of these have taken past history and applied based on half-truth, which is a lie.

Jesus Is the only truth, way, and life.

Your American, European, African, race & ethnicity DID NOT SAVE YOU NOR DOES IT GIVE YOU Preference with the Living God.

IF your " Christian theology" was not built on the foundational truth of Christ ONLY and His Word, it is DEAD, DEAD< DEAD.

Your whiteness or blackness or education, or location will not save you OR YOUR NATIONS PERCEIVED RIGHITUOSNESS. There is no collective salvation Jesus cam to call all individually to the foot of the Cross, there you and I must go and if alone we must go.

And until you position yourself AT the foot of the cross of Christ and surrender to HIM. CAN I GET AN AMEN and I did not mean to PREACH but amen! cs1

he has embellished the history to make American history more godly.

Explain this in more detail.

 

[Adstar]

Do not tell people not to get baptized. How satanic and evil can one get?

I never said to anyone not to get baptized.. If you can quote where i told anyone not to get baptized then do so.. But you will not be able to quote me saying such::

Therefore you are being a false accuser of the brethren and as such you should take the appropriate actions..

Also to declare a Christian satanic is an extremely serious charge..

Throwing about such an allegation flippantly should cause one to fear blasphemy of the Holy Spirit..