The Trinity Doctrine in the Bible

[Blackpowderduelist]

I’m not sure exactly what you mean.

What it means is that all three names go on the seal of your salvation, which demonstrates who they are.

 

[Athanasius377]

And, the Catholic Church was the pagan church...

The Catholic Church and the true Christian Church(es) have never been one-and-the-same.

The true Christian Church(es) have never been 'universal'.

The Catholic Church was the enemy of the true Christian Church(es) throughout the Dark Ages.

You're confusing the Roman church with the catholic church. Rome hijacked the term catholic which is why I wrote what I wrote. In fact, the term Roman Catholic is on oxymoron because either she is Roman or catholic but she can't be both. When the early church fathers refer to the catholic church they are not referring to Rome.
If you deny the catholic church (again, not Roman) was not the true church then what was the true church? Can you cite examples?

I am not afraid of the word 'catholic' by any means --- but, I also know that the word is especially "dangerous" in the modern day - as it is the focal point - and the pivot point - for/of the "slippery-slope" Ecumenical Movement that is taking place today - for the purpose of forming a One World New Age religion that denies the Creator.

The ecumenical movement is dead. The liberal churches that supported the movement will be dead and gone in a generation if not sooner. The one world religion that denies the creator is secularism. Secularists don't give a flip about the word "catholic".

 

[CherieR]

What it means is that all three names go on the seal of your salvation, which demonstrates who they are.

I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as all God. I can’t at this moment understand trinity.

 

[CS1]

I know there are confusing things either way. It just makes more sense to me to see the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one and the same God. Some things I have heard about the trinity is that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct but one God and also that in essence they are the same. So the character and attributes of God is the same amongst the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If the attributes and characteristics are the same , then why not God as one person? If their is one Holy Spirit with is the Spirit of the Father, and the Spirit of the Son, why not God as one person?

I believe that perhaps in heaven I will find out if there is a trinity or not.

they are distinct because they are each identified in Scripture yet one. The Father is not called the Son, the Son is not called the Father, the Holy Spirit is not called the Son. Each is God yet they are still one and have personification. That is seen in scripture. Why that is and why we can't fully understand that is because it is GOD.

 

[CS1]

Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

now where do it say this is the Father's voice?

the scripture only say, "A VOICE" ... and that's where you and anyone of us should leave it.

see, you added to the Word of God by saying it was the Father's voice, when in fact the verse never say that.

just say what the scriptures say, nothing more or nothing less.

PICJAG,
101G.

whose voice was it? it is the entirety of all scripture and we can properly interpret the "Voice", is not four Judges on a TV show.

BUT the context of what the Voice SAID " is my Beloved SON" can leave no doubt who it is that said that but you.

 

[101G]

Look if you are looking to troll please know it will be accepted very long. You were provided scripture the context is clearly seen and said in more than one Gospel. You and I are done.

GINOLJC, to all.
to troll? so telling the truth is trolling now?. there is no scriptural evidence of the voice being the Father's voice, that I debunked with scripture. no where in the bible do it say that the voice at the Lord Jesus Baptism is the Father's voice, it only says "A VOICE". just because you and some others have been caught in an ERROR of "ASSUMPTION", that's not my fault. the TRUTH will stand.

I have observed, when people doctrine is question, and is exposed, they get personal, and try to make excuses, instead of staying with scriptures and prove their point, or accepting the truth when in ERROR. it is clear that the voice from heaven at the Lord's baptism never said it was the Father's voice, only assumed, and when that was exposed, then come the personal excuses. well the bible is clear,
1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." and this is what I have did.

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[CS1]

GINOLJC, to all.
to troll? so telling the truth is trolling now?. there is no scriptural evidence of the voice being the Father's voice, that I debunked with scripture. no where in the bible do it say that the voice at the Lord Jesus Baptism is the Father's voice, it only says "A VOICE". just because you and some others have been caught in an ERROR of "ASSUMPTION", that's not my fault. the TRUTH will stand.

I have observed, when people doctrine is question, and is exposed, they get personal, and try to make excuses, instead of staying with scriptures and prove their point, or accepting the truth when in ERROR. it is clear that the voice from heaven at the Lord's baptism never said it was the Father's voice, only assumed, and when that was exposed, then come the personal excuses. well the bible is clear,
1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." and this is what I have did.

PICJAG,
101G.

Your truth not the word of God. in your above comments you did not even use one scriptural reference to refute John chapter one or Luke chapter 3. You are trolling. You have not proved anything other than you have 1. you have not been disciples 2. you have a religious spirit 3. your a troll.

 

[101G]

A voice from heaven spoke and said "this is my Son in whom I AM well pleased".

The voice that spoke was at the event that just happens and was in context to the Baptism of Jesus. The same similar event happened on what is known as the Mount. Of transfiguration,

see, this is exacitly what I mean, the scripture is quoted, and never realized what it said, .... "A voice from heaven spoke". A voice, A voice.

and talk about similar event, so one will replace what the angel said ... FROM HEAVEN to abraham about his SON? this is what the bible calls a double tongue. the event at the transfiguration is not the event at the Baptism... so where was the "DOVE"/Holy Spirit at the transfiguration? well ........

I am not going to engage in foolishness with you or allegorizing of the Baptism of Jesus where The Father spoke, Jesus was there and the Holy Spirit came upon Jesus in the form of a dove.

Good then, quit that foolishness of ADDING to the WORD of GOD. and speak TRUTH, the scripture said "A VOICE", then say "A VOICE", and quit assuming.

now if you want TRUTH, then find the scripture that say the voice is the "Fathers's Voice" at the Baptism, and not at the transfiguration.

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[CS1]

see, this is exacitly what I mean, the scripture is quoted, and never realized what it said, .... "A voice from heaven spoke". A voice, A voice.

and talk about similar event, so one will replace what the angel said ... FROM HEAVEN to abraham about his SON? this is what the bible calls a double tongue. the event at the transfiguration is not the event at the Baptism... so where was the "DOVE"/Holy Spirit at the transfiguration? well ........


Good then, quit that foolishness of ADDING to the WORD of GOD. and speak TRUTH, the scripture said "A VOICE", then say "A VOICE", and quit assuming.

now if you want TRUTH, then find the scripture that say the voice is the "Fathers's Voice" at the Baptism, and not at the transfiguration.

PICJAG,
101G.

LOL, I will make this last comment to you and then be done with you. The Mount. of Transfiguration, FYI, was after Jesu was baptized and the Holy Spirit had already come UPON HIM and WHAT? "REMAINED". I know you may not know this but the word remain means did not depart. So If you read the text the writer did not have to mention the Holy Spirit because HE was upon Jesus and had not left as the word of God says.

If you don't know what the "Voice" was that Spoke or who it was, that is ok. But for the entire orthodox Christian world that Voice was God. Now, the only foolishness is you. And you might want to reconsider your argument or leave.

Thank you,

 

[101G]

No, Jesus does not polymorph into and out of being the Holy Spirit. Where do you dredge up such weirdness?

thanks for the reply, is that's your opinion, or scriptual FACT? the bible is clear, the Lord Jesus when he came in flesh he is the comforter, and here's the bible FACT.

Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him."

here the term "consolation" is the Greek word,
G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870

in flesh, the Lord Jesus, the Ordinal Last, is COMFORTER. that's why in John 14:16 "ANOTHER" Comforter is Given? why because the Comforter/the consolation of Israel is to die for the sins of the world, and return to heaven, so ..... "ANOTHER" Comforter, this time is in Spirit. came as he said he would, (John 14:18), on the day of Pentecost.

understand from the the above definition of the consolation of Israel, is a person who gives help, a HELPER. Isaiah 9:6 say, "Counsellor", meaning one who gives advise. in modern term, counsel for the defense.

now oyster67, do you know what is ANOTHER word for counsel for the defense, or a consolation or the Counsellor? answer advocate. do you know what the term advocate means? let the bible tell you, "COMFORTER", lets see it, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
ADVOCATE:
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter

yes, "COMFORTER", Just as in John 14:16 "ANOTHER" Comforter, the same word is used. meaning the same one person in Spirt for the term "ANOTHER" there is the Greek word, G243 Allos, which expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort. a numerical difference is the ORDINAL First, (Jesus as Father), and the Ordinal Last, (JESUS as Son in a equally shared state). he who was in natural Flesh, is now GLORIFIED in Spirit. and the the term "Sort", simply means "SAME" person. BINGO. The Lord Jesus in his GLORIFIED STATE is the Holy Spirit.

which eliminates any nonesense about three persons at the Lord Baptism.

so yes, the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit in a glorified Body, (THE HOLY SPIRIT), and he the Spirit returned on Pentecost, just finish reading John 14:16 .... and one will see that he came on Pentecost.

PICJAG,
101G.

PS now if you have any questions, just ask.

 

[101G]

This is rich. If anyone is propagating false doctrine it is you. You have blatantly denied that God the Father spoke from Heaven at the baptism of His beloved Son. When that is clearly recorded. Just because the Scripture does not explicitly say "the Father's voice from Heaven" does not mean that it is false. There is much in Scripture which is implied, but you are simply here to promote your heretical doctrine.

well then post the scripture that say this is the "Father's Voice", not your or some man or woman assumption. so, post the scripture? ... well.

LOOK, don't get mad at 101G, do what 1 Thessalonians 5:21 say do, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." SEE, assumptions don't hold water.

PICJAG,
101G

 

[101G]

Nope. Jesus had to go away so the Comforter would come.

There is ONE God with 3 Parts...Father, Son (Word) and Holy Spirit.

God accomplishes His Will with His Word and His Spirit....ALL 3 are GOD.

God is manifesting (making Himself known) with His Word and His Spirit.

God is manifesting in us with His Word and His Spirit....Believers are His offspring...His children.

ok, I ask you who sent the Comforter? listen,

Scripture, #1. John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

scripture #2. John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

ok Lafftur, who sent the Comforter, remember the Lord Jesus is speaking, and he don't LIE. ..... your answer please.

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[CS1]

thanks for the reply, is that's your opinion, or scriptual FACT? the bible is clear, the Lord Jesus when he came in flesh he is the comforter, and here's the bible FACT.

Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him."

here the term "consolation" is the Greek word,
G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870

in flesh, the Lord Jesus, the Ordinal Last, is COMFORTER. that's why in John 14:16 "ANOTHER" Comforter is Given? why because the Comforter/the consolation of Israel is to die for the sins of the world, and return to heaven, so ..... "ANOTHER" Comforter, this time is in Spirit. came as he said he would, (John 14:18), on the day of Pentecost.

understand from the the above definition of the consolation of Israel, is a person who gives help, a HELPER. Isaiah 9:6 say, "Counsellor", meaning one who gives advise. in modern term, counsel for the defense.

now oyster67, do you know what is ANOTHER word for counsel for the defense, or a consolation or the Counsellor? answer advocate. do you know what the term advocate means? let the bible tell you, "COMFORTER", lets see it, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
ADVOCATE:
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter

yes, "COMFORTER", Just as in John 14:16 "ANOTHER" Comforter, the same word is used. meaning the same one person in Spirt for the term "ANOTHER" there is the Greek word, G243 Allos, which expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort. a numerical difference is the ORDINAL First, (Jesus as Father), and the Ordinal Last, (JESUS as Son in a equally shared state). he who was in natural Flesh, is now GLORIFIED in Spirit. and the the term "Sort", simply means "SAME" person. BINGO. The Lord Jesus in his GLORIFIED STATE is the Holy Spirit.

which eliminates any nonesense about three persons at the Lord Baptism.

so yes, the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit in a glorified Body, (THE HOLY SPIRIT), and he the Spirit returned on Pentecost, just finish reading John 14:16 .... and one will see that he came on Pentecost.

PICJAG,
101G.

PS now if you have any questions, just ask.

attacking the Trinity doctrine is most unfortunate that you would do that. We are all limited in our own ability to fully know all there is to know about the Divine nature of God. The Godhead is well identified in scripture starting in Genesis chapter 1 and reaffirmed in John chapter 1.

We must remember when speaking about the Lord God we must be reverent and humble and to take great care to not speak likely of the One true God. Yes the word trinity is not in the bible, it is a concept I believe and many others do provide enough to explain
The Father as seen in scripture, the Son as seen in scripture, and the Holy Spirit as seen in scripture.

I am not going to say I can fully know all there is to the Nature of God as the word of God tells us we can't.

 

[101G]

You're grasping at straws to try to avoid the truth.
No one else in heaven is capable of having a son. Angels cannot beget sons. Whoever was speaking was a father.
He identified himself as a father, with the phrase "my beloved son"

thanks for the reply, but the POINT is this, not who even have a son, but who said it. listen, Genesis 22:11 "And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I."
Genesis 22:12 "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me."

now Lucy-Pevensie, who did Abraham not withheld his son from, was it the angel, WHO SPOKE FROM HEAVEN, or from God?

understand my point, just because "A VOICE" comes from heaven do not mean it's the VOICE of GOD. are you seing my point?

see, I cannot follow a lie just because the majority is following a lie, I must follow the Lord JESUS, the TRUTH.

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[101G]

I will think on this
Thank you

Thank you.

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[101G]

nd we can properly interpret the "Voice", is not four Judges on a TV show.

BUT the context of what the Voice SAID " is my Beloved SON" can leave no doubt who it is that said that but you.

THIS IS MY POINT, it's not the context, BUT "WHO" said it. and as for any interpretation of any context of the bible scripture is forbidden,
2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

another violation of the scriptures, the bible interpret itself, hence NO ADDING, or TAKING AWAY of God's Holy Word. he said "A VOICE", so why are you ADDING to God Holy Word? as said, never "ASSUME" anything. for if you do, it will come back to bit you.

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[101G]

Your truth not the word of God

MY TRUTH?, now who trolling who?

I have no TRUTH only that what the Lord Jesus the Holy Ghost has taught me. LISTEN, 1 Corinthians 2:12 "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."
1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."
1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (BINGO).
1 Corinthians 2:15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."
1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

AMEN.

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[101G]

LOL, I will make this last comment to you and then be done with you. The Mount. of Transfiguration, FYI, was after Jesu was baptized and the Holy Spirit had already come UPON HIM and WHAT? "REMAINED". I know you may not know this but the word remain means did not depart. So If you read the text the writer did not have to mention the Holy Spirit because HE was upon Jesus and had not left as the word of God says.

If you don't know what the "Voice" was that Spoke or who it was, that is ok. But for the entire orthodox Christian world that Voice was God. Now, the only foolishness is you. And you might want to reconsider your argument or leave.

Thank you,

Another excuse for not KNOWING the TRUTH?

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[CS1]

thanks for the reply, but the POINT is this, not who even have a son, but who said it. listen, Genesis 22:11 "And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I."
Genesis 22:12 "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me."

now Lucy-Pevensie, who did Abraham not withheld his son from, was it the angel, WHO SPOKE FROM HEAVEN, or from God?

understand my point, just because "A VOICE" comes from heaven do not mean it's the VOICE of GOD. are you seing my point?

see, I cannot follow a lie just because the majority is following a lie, I must follow the Lord JESUS, the TRUTH.

PICJAG,
101G.

Lucy-Pevensie,


Don't be fooled here this is complete deception. let's read the full text shall we and you will see in scripture who was speaking to Abraham when he offered up Issac. Who spoke to Abraham and told him to offer Issac, to begin with. That is where the context starts. At Genesis 22

22 Now it came to pass after these things that God tested Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!”

And he said, “Here I am.”

2 Then He said,(GOD) “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”

3 So Abraham rose early in the morning and saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son; and he split the wood for the burnt offering, and arose and went to the place of which God had told him. 4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted his eyes and saw the place afar off. 5 And Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the donkey; the [a]lad and I will go yonder and worship, and we will come back to you.”

6 So Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife, and the two of them went together. 7 But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!”

And he said, “Here I am, my son.”

Then he said, “Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”

8 And Abraham said, “My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” So the two of them went together.

9 Then they came to the place of which God had told him. And Abraham built an altar there and placed the wood in order; and he bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.

11 But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!”

So he said, “Here I am.”

12 And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”

13 Then Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and there behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by its horns. So Abraham went and took the ram, and offered it up for a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of the place, [c]The-Lord-Will-Provide; as it is said to this day, “In the Mount of the Lord it shall be provided.”

15 Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— 17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” 19 So Abraham returned to his young men, and they rose and went together to Beersheba; and Abraham dwelt at Beersheba.


it was God who spoke to Abraham and told him to do and it was the angel of the Lord who told him to stop FROM the mouth of God who said stop.

The context is God told Abraham as a test, and God spoke through the Angel of the Lord. As he has many times.

 

[CS1]

Another excuse for not KNOWING the TRUTH?

PICJAG,
101G.

that is an anticipated response from you to the word of God. very powerful Biblical come back. I will take it that you have conceded