Genesis 1:26 & 27 revisited, the ECHAD of God as ONE.

Hungry · May 1, 2021

Yes, I’m not downplaying the authority and deity of Christ, merely differentiating Him from His Father Yahweh/Jehovah.

101G · May 1, 2021

Thanks JaumeJ, he is ETERNAL, the ONLY ETERNAL ONE, scripture 1 Timothy 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:"
1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;"
1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

ONLY here means, as an adverb, 1. and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively.

as an adj. 1. alone of its or their kind; single or solitary.

and if the Lord JESUS is the "ONLY" one with ETERNAL LIFE, that means there is no other person who has it. meaning there is only JESUS, and no other persons in the Godhead.

PICJAG,
101G.

Hungry · May 1, 2021

101G said:

....or Lord God which is translated from Jehovah (self-existing God)(of) elohim (gods or heavenly beings). It’s open to interpretation. Elon Musk is credited to be the creator of SpaceX. It was those subordinate to him that did most of the work. In what I have presented it could actually mean that elohim (heavenly beings) said to Jehovah, “Let us (elohim) make man in our image and after our likeness.” This would make sense why angels (elohim) appear humanoid. Also it explains why the sons of God (elohim/heavenly beings) saw that the daughters of men were fair and took them as wives and enpregnated them. The Bible states we were created a little lower than the angels (elohim). Possibly...in their image just like it literally states?

101G · May 1, 2021

Hungry said:

first thanks for the reply, but you cannot do that, there is no differentiation of him. listen, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
see that word, "WITH", is this your differentiation? I hop not, but if it is, lets see if this hold water....

example of this "WITH" and how it is use in the Godhead of PERSON. scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

here we have the term "WITH" just as in John 1:1. here in Isaiah, the "First" is WITH the "Last" correct..... in your assessment of differentiation, the "First" cannot be the "Last" as the "Word" cannot be "God" as in John 1:1 correct?

well lets see if this is TRUE. for in Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." Uh O... the "First" who was with the "Last" is the same ONE PERSON, as in John 1:1c, "and the Word was GOD". it's the SAME ONE PERSON.

understand Jesus is God in flesh as Isaiah 9:6 tells us. just as Jesus is the "First", as well as the "LAST" in Revelation. wich I'll give it away, the answer to Genesis 1:26.

listen carefully, JESUS is "First", and "Last", just as he's the "Word", and "God", as Thomas declared, in John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." again, there is only ONE "GOD". who is ONLY one PERSON.... diversified in flesh as isaiah 9:6 clearly states.

Hope this helped.

PICJAG,
101G.

101G · May 1, 2021

Hungry said:

I'm sorry to inform you angels are not in God's IMAGE, listen, Hebrews 1:7 "And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire." now the Lord Jesus answer to spirit, listen, Luke 24:39 "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." BINGO, angels/spirits don't have flesh and bone.

now lets confirm this, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." BINGO.

understand, there are only three entities, A. God the only BEING, B. the angels/spirits, and C. Man. correct... now this, Hebrews 2:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham."

so that shoud reproff your assessment of God's nature there.

and a NOTE, angels are never called sons of God, only Men. and the reference to Genesis 6 is not speaking of angels.

Hope this helped in your understanding, if you have any questions, please just ask. remember we're not here to see who knows what, or who's right or wrong... none of that, we're here to "UNDERSTAND TRUTH".

God bless,

PICJAG,
101G.

Hungry · May 1, 2021

101G said:

You can’t partially define words to fit your meaning. In the beginning was the Logos. The Logos (the Devine principle) was with Deity, and the Logos was Deity. God translated from Theos means what I stated deity, aka “from the heavens” or elohim. First century Greeks would better wrap their heads around this because of the stoic philosophers. Logos is where we derive the word logic. It basically means order and structure, a grand design; the Logos.

This verse is including Christ with the grand design, not calling Him Jehovah. Christ is in the Father as we are in Him. Christ is One with the Father as we are One with Christ. He is the Vine, we are the grafted branches...one. A married couple is made one flesh. They are still individuals working in concert, as a whole.

101G · May 1, 2021

Hungry said:

thanks for the reply, but I'm not defining nothing. well now please explain if the The Logos, the WORD was at Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:26, and 27, when our Lord Jesus clearly said "GOD... "HE" made man male and female, and Isaiah 44:24 said the same thing.

now before you answer, let me be clear here, Jesus the ordinal Last, the Christ, the Son of God was not at Genesis 1:1 nor Genesis 1:26 & 27, but JESUS was.... did you understand what i just said? the Son of God was NOT, I say again, WAS NOT at Genesis 1:1 but JESUS was.....

PICJAG,
101G.

JaumeJ · May 1, 2021

Hungry said:

You have brought up the title, Yahweh.

Jesus is a transliteration from His name in Hebrew, albeit not v ery well done. The name Jesus, was first Yeshua *or something very near this"

Yahweh is the gerund *noun( form of the verb, to be in Hebrew, or, transliterated, Hayah. A big difference from the infinite, to be, in English though for in Hebrew when the Maker of all that is uses it to call Himself by this title, it is a transitive or active ver. He does the action of being that i9s.

Relating Yahweh to Jesus. Yeshua is easily related to YeshiYahu, whic may be said is Yahweh my Redeemer.
It seems the more we delve into the Hebrew meanings of names the more we are impressed by the kFather, TheSon and the Holy Spirit as being One. Jesus did say, God is One. This is also specified in the OT.

Related to this, and great, yet not well known matter of prophecy are the names Jesse and his son David. YOu see Jessi is Yeshi, my Redeemer, and David is the Beloved, or simply Beloved.

This river of names takes us to o so many revelations and so much understandign howev er many have become so Christian they forget our forefather, in particular, Abraham. You see Jesus tells us those who believe are become sons of Abraham. Do you suppose Jesus is referring to the man or to the translation of the name, Father of Nations.? This is not so important as to believe the Words from Jesus, Himself. So many say they do, but when speaking of His teachings fall very short of understanding, using a line here and a line there in order to justify how they choose to walk.

Pray for all, all need your prayers, including yours truly. God bless all, amen.

Hungry · May 1, 2021

101G said:

Thanks for the Bible lesson. It is crystal clear now that the Father birthed Himself, will sit down at His own right hand, but if He’s on the right, isn’t He also on His left? We are in the Son who is the Father who testifies on our behalf to Himself. Christ prayed to Himself daily. Lucifer being considered one of the sons of God in Job is actually a human. Who knew? I guess you did. And the Bible was just written in Hebrew and Greek to later confuse those who translate and read it in English. Mind blown! Gotta run.

101G · May 1, 2021

JaumeJ said:

correct, JESUS is a transliteration from His name in Hebrew, "YESHUA", which is the Strong's #(H3442). it is written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin, it is a masculine noun that means, "He is salvation" or "He saves”. for only God SAVES. H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l.

but may I add... H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. which is a VERB and not a NOUN describs "WHAT" God is in Name, and NOT "WHO" he is in Name. so the names, Jehovah, AKA Yahweh are man made name, and not the NAME of God as to "WHO" he is.

more on that later on.

PICJAG,
101G.

Hungry · May 1, 2021

JaumeJ said:

You have brought up the title, Yahweh.

Jesus is a transliteration from His name in Hebrew, albeit not v ery well done. The name Jesus, was first Yeshua *or something very near this"

Yahweh is the gerund *noun( form of the verb, to be in Hebrew, or, transliterated, Hayah. A big difference from the infinite, to be, in English though for in Hebrew when the Maker of all that is uses it to call Himself by this title, it is a transitive or active ver. He does the action of being that i9s.

Relating Yahweh to Jesus. Yeshua is easily related to YeshiYahu, whic may be said is Yahweh my Redeemer.
It seems the more we delve into the Hebrew meanings of names the more we are impressed by the kFather, TheSon and the Holy Spirit as being One. Jesus did say, God is One. This is also specified in the OT.

Related to this, and great, yet not well known matter of prophecy are the names Jesse and his son David. YOu see Jessi is Yeshi, my Redeemer, and David is the Beloved, or simply Beloved.

This river of names takes us to o so many revelations and so much understandign howev er many have become so Christian they forget our forefather, in particular, Abraham. You see Jesus tells us those who believe are become sons of Abraham. Do you suppose Jesus is referring to the man or to the translation of the name, Father of Nations.? This is not so important as to believe the Words from Jesus, Himself. So many say they do, but when speaking of His teachings fall very short of understanding, using a line here and a line there in order to justify how they choose to walk.

Pray for all, all need your prayers, including yours truly. God bless all, amen.

Thanks, I thought His Name was Yeshua or Joshua meaning God Saves. So what is the true Name above all names, the one we are to ask of The Father in? I always pray in Yeshua’s name. I know it wasn’t “Jesus”.

OrphanedRepublican · May 1, 2021

If I can't quite grasp the technicalities of truth, I can fall back upon the overall "image" or "picture" of truth. Which is how we very basically begin to learn when we're very young. Associating images with concepts. I marvel at that so that there is some level of understanding for each and every believer regardless of their intellectual abilities.

So while I don't know the meaning of every Hebrew word in the old testament, I do know and glean from what the prophets have said.

Isaiah 40:10 Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

I remember the teaching that Jesus sat down at the right hand of his father in heaven. So, the above verse is telling me that Jesus is coming and he's bringing his (his reward as well as our own) reward with him, all the heavenly host (his reward) and his work of judgment and wrath yet before him. (Our reward.)

God's strong hand or arm is still part of his body, so I get the concept of a united single unified God.

Hungry · May 1, 2021

101G said:

Let me ask you a question. Where do red blood cells get produced, in the bone marrow or in the body? Is what makes the body, and the bone marrow, also making the red blood cells?

101G · May 1, 2021

Hungry said:

thanks for the reply, no, but lets get is right, God did not birth himself... (smile), no, he made or prepared that body to come in, or dwell in as a man. listen, Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:" this is prophecy fulfilled,
Psalms 40:6 "Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required."
Psalms 40:7 "Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,"
Psalms 40:8 "I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart."

now how did God come? let the bible answer, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

so how is God, a "Spirit" with us? answer by being in a BODY....... that he prepared for himself. so no, God did not birthed Himself , because no spirit is ever "BORN".... Naturally, only "Spiritually ", by God. a woman cannot not birth a "spirit", himan or divine. she can only birth "SLESH, BONE, and BLOOD.

see this is why Isaiah 9:6 is so important, a Child is "BORN".... that Body.... "a Son is Given". see the difference now. what was BORN is the Son of God, the Child the BODY, what was Given is the Son of Man, which is "Spirit".

understand, the Child, the Son of God came out of Mary, the body, the son of Man came from Heaven, the spirit. supportive scripture, John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." BINGO, Jesus the Son of Man is NOT of theis WORLD, so he is NOT BORN, nor our spirits by a woman, only God can birth our spirit in the NEW BIRTH ONLY.

understand our spirit is not of this WORLD, it come from God, and it returs to God after our natural death here on earth, and our bodies returns to the earth from whence it came. see it now. the Son of God, the body is from a woman, (nine months in the belly), but our spirit come from God and returns to God after separation, supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:"

and also a NOTE: the Right Hand of God, as with his ARM is an anthropomorphism which indicate his "POWER". and also there is no one sitting next to God. understand the Lord Jesus is in, in, in, POWER, after his resurrection. notice How I said, "in", listen to where one sits, Revelation 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."

understand IN indicates we have, just as the Lord Jesus, the RIGHT or privilege, or the freedom, G1849, exousia, POWER to act in his NAME. this is why he said, "ASK" IN, IN, IN, my name, and he will do it. John 14:14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."

see it now, oh there is so much to teach.

Hoped that help in you edification of the Word of God.

PICJAG,
101g.

Platosgal · May 1, 2021

I have been thinking on this very issue

My understanding is currently
Not Modelism ( God is one thing combined God , Jesus, Holy Spirit)

But exactly as Christ infered over and over
God is the father of Jesus
Jesus came out of the father
As a direct impression of the father

( Like some sons in the flesh look like their father and even if they never met their father , have genetic charastics if their father)

The Holy Spirit is literally the breath of God the father his empowerment of life
To humanity

So they are of the same substance
But distinct in person and purpose

JaumeJ · May 1, 2021

Hungry said:

In Zephania we are taught that all will receive a pure tongue, language that is, so the we may all call upon our Father with One Name. His name is not yet revealed. All the titles we have for His calling upon, here in this age, are merely attributes which apply to Him.
When we pray in faith, and we know who and what Jesus is, we are fine, for He is the Only one Who has brought us to our Maker, and not in any easy manner, He died an agonizing death to show His love.

Can you imagine, from the cross and His agony He asked the Father to forgive us for we know not what we do. This is love ang pure understanding. I feel so bad about my ins having added to His suffering. All praise to Him our Savior, amen.

PS, sometimes I pray to the Father calling upon Him with Eternal Father, just between us, and this way He knows I believe Him in Isaiah, and in the Word all. God bless you dear H.

101G · May 1, 2021

Hungry said:

correct, hemocytoblasts, or red blood cells are made in the bones, the marrow.

now let me say this to your second question, "Is what makes the body, and the bone marrow, also making the red blood cells?" there are a lot of elements that make up the body, but the production come form certain elements. that another topic for biologist.

but in the making of Man in Genesis 3, he had no blood, only at Genesis 6 did God give blood to the male and the female. but understand, (the female was in the MAN before God brought her forth). and understand that the BLOOD is the Life of the body in supply, supportive scripture, Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

Leviticus 17:14 "For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off."

NOW, understand what is said here, listen, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:"

here the BREATH of God is in our nostril, scripture, Job 27:3 "All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;"

and that breath is in the blood, which carry it to all parts of the body.

Hoped that helped.

PICJAG,
101G.

Hungry · May 1, 2021

101G said:

correct, hemocytoblasts, or red blood cells are made in the bones, the marrow.

now let me say this to your second question, "Is what makes the body, and the bone marrow, also making the red blood cells?" there are a lot of elements that make up the body, but the production come form certain elements. that another topic for biologist.

but in the making of Man in Genesis 3, he had no blood, only at Genesis 6 did God give blood to the male and the female. but understand, (the female was in the MAN before God brought her forth). and understand that the BLOOD is the Life of the body in supply, supportive scripture, Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

Leviticus 17:14 "For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off."

NOW, understand what is said here, listen, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:"

here the BREATH of God is in our nostril, scripture, Job 27:3 "All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;"

and that breath is in the blood, which carry it to all parts of the body.

Hoped that helped.

PICJAG,
101G.

My point was that all we are now is sprung forth from the “logos” that is our DNA. We are essentially a Big Bang. I don’t subscribe to evolution but I this this metaphor is interesting. All of the cells and chemicals that make us whole operate unto themselves yet in concert under an unseen frequency maintaining balance. The original egg and sperm, created ALL exclusively.

101G · May 1, 2021

Platosgal said:

thanks for the reply, not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this.

God who is a "diversity" of himself, is defined in dispensations of TIME, PLACE, RANK, and ORDER, as in Ordinals. let us explain.

in Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

I AM: Spirit, TIME, the Beginning of all Natural things, Genesis 1:1. ORDER, "First", Ordinal First. RANK, LORD, and FATHER, Creator of all things. PLACE, First in the NATURAL CREATION. (THE H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym, the ECHAD, of ONE, the First)

THAT: spirit, TIME, the End of all Natural things, John 1:1. ORDER, "Last", Ordinal Last, the Last Adam. RANK, Lord, and Son, Redeemer, and Saviour of all things. PLACE, Last in the NATURAL CREATION. (THE H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym, the ECHAD, of ONE, the Last)

I AM: Spirit, TIME, the NEW beginning, the NEW MAN. Revelation 1:1. ORDER, the First and the Last, (the amalgamated, ONE). RANK, LORD and Lord, Father and Son, (the amalgamated, ONE), the NEW CREATION. (the H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah, the amalgamated ONE)

now let make it clear as day,

I AM the Spirit, titles, LORD, CREATOR, and MAKER of ALL THINGS, Father

THAT came in flesh, Lord, REDEEMER, and SAVIOUR of ALL THINGS, Son

I AM the same Spirit, glorified in Resurrected flesh, COMFORTER, and MEDIATOR of ALL THINGS, The Holy Spirit

There you have it in a nutshell, the Father, the son and the Holy Ghost, the same one person, who was a ECHAD in dispensation as the Ordinal of his own-self in TIME, PLACE, RANK, and ORDER as the ONE TRUE and ONLY LIVING GOD. amen.

PICJAG,
101G.

101G · May 1, 2021

Hungry said:

again thanks, and i agree in part, with some of the reply you gave, but let me say this, there is no original egg and sperm, it is of God, which is correct, for all came out of THE SPIRIT/GOD. scripture, Acts 17:26 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;" but before the blood got here it was in GOD created mind before the foundation of the World, only brought forth later.

also, I subscribe to a Godly evolution, as you said, expressed in his WORD. scripture, "And God said, Let there be". HOLD it, now listen to this, Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."

here we have a variety of plant life on this planet. and God said "LET" the earth bring forth..... after his KIND, kind here is a variety of species. but is was GOD guiding hand. why do i say this, answer, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." BINGO, if it came unpon the earth, then it was GOD'S guiding hand that brought forth all the variety of species, be it plant or animal life, God hand guided it. so in plants and animals, God is the TRUE evolutionist. because if it was made? .... he made it. and every thing that he MADE .... it was GOOD.

now when it come to man ....... God made him in his IMAGE, and God don't change, neither his IMAGE, hence no evolution in man. so we don't have to worry about any monkey being our uncle, nor any auntie hanging from any tree either. so evolution on man is closed for me.

Lastly, the molecule structure of our bodies that are held together is God, so, (is it the frequency maintaining balance, as you say), for he, GOD, UPHOLDS all the universe including us.

Hope that helps.

PICJAG,
101G.

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