My thoughts (representing many others' also) on Why Everything Has Gone South on us

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My thoughts (representing many others' also) on Why Everything Has Gone South on us
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Well, i have been following news closely for many years. Every spare minute I got, I would watch Fox News (which I don't any longer, to speak of bc... not happy how they announced AZ for... that creep in the WH rather than Trump, long b4 they had the true results in). I have also been a Christian for many, many years, basically all my life (although I had my "wild" years when younger. Even in those years, I wasn't committing atrocious sins, to speak of, but anyhow..)

So now that you have some background and know that I am not just some emotive knucklehead who likes to spoutate opinions right and left without having much information or facts...

This is what I say is what has gone haywire in the US (why, that is):

Christians and other conservatives are largely to blame. I think a lot of "Christians" think that we are supposed to let evil go... turn the other cheek.. Well, yes, Jesus did say that but I heard (or read) someone explain that psg once and it is not as simple as it first appears. The problem is, I can't say any more about that bc my memory is not serving me well at this moment...

But what I know all too well is how I think and feel RE current events in this once-Christian nation.

We are not that anymore... which is VERY sad, to say the least

When are people going to realize that Christian ideals are a very good thing to live by even if/when you are not a Christian? I dare say some "liberals" (the everyday kind) would agree, some whole-heartedly.

And even weak Christians are better (to "rule") than... non- Christians.

Now we have unbelievers ruling over us... telling us to murder our children so we can "live the good life" unencumbered by... by what? Love?

If you think these baby killers will respect YOUR life, you are sadly mistaken

And so we are back to how Christians have not done enough... to stop the country from being lost... That being said, though... I am not sure they could have done much...? (vis a vis the entrenched corruption in DC)

sigh... things are complicated.

But one thing sticks out in my mind: How Christians (some) just want a kumbaya kind of Christianity, where we "love everyone" (whatever that means exactly...) and don't make waves in society. Yes, making waves causes one to suffer (lose this, lose that... etc). But now we have lost everything... (OK, virtually everything... not Jesus, of course)

sheez...

Christians need to remember such psgs in the Word as

the one where Jesus said that He came not to bring peace but a sword... division, not unity (though His Church is united in Him but that is the only unity to be found on this miserable planet)
 
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I am against abortion because I believe all human life is sacred. Whether it's the rights of the preborn, or refugees etc. I don't do party politics but I do sign petitions etc
 
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In my country the Uk, we have problem with one party being against abortion but pro cutting welfare benefits for the poor and disabled and elderly...and the other vice versa. Both these issues are an abomination in the eyes of God. Oppressing the poor and murdering the preborn are both wicked sins
 
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EnglishChick said:
In my country the Uk, we have problem with one party being against abortion but pro cutting welfare benefits for the poor and disabled and elderly...and the other vice versa. Both these issues are an abomination in the eyes of God. Oppressing the poor and murdering the preborn are both wicked sins
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i agree w/ the last sentence

the problem is, some christians think they shouldn't get their hands dirty trying to fight for justice (aka politics but that word is over-used).

As the Word tells us, If our brother is being led to death unjustly, we are called to save him/her
 
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God utterly wasted Sodom and G

over sin

I shudder to think what is going to happen to the Sodom called USA
 
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JesusWhereRU said:
Christians and other conservatives are largely to blame.
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You are quite correct. For too long "the Silent Majority" (which were brought up on Christian and conservative values) remained silent while the evildoers flourished. And for too long they remained gullible and failed to demand that any politician for whom they voted would keep his (or her) promises.

But there was a deeper problem all along. America became infiltrated with traitors at the highest levels, and no one was held accountable for treason. And that is still true. The majority of politicians were only self-serving and did not care about what was happening to their country.

Take this deceptive and evil speech given by imposter Biden yesterday. Absolutely every Republican should have boycotted that speech. Instead, they all should have gathered their constituents outside the capitol in huge numbers with placards which said "BIDEN AND HARRIS MUST RESIGN". Imagine if a million people (with proper protective security) had gathered in D.C. on January 20 and also on April 28 and protested against Leftist tyranny?
 
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EnglishChick said:
In my country the Uk, we have problem with one party being against abortion but pro cutting welfare benefits for the poor and disabled and elderly...and the other vice versa. Both these issues are an abomination in the eyes of God. Oppressing the poor and murdering the preborn are both wicked sins
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I can agree with your last sentence; however, I must disagree with the sentence before that - God would have it that family, neighbors, and local churches should "look after" and "take care of" the poor, disabled, and elderly - not governments.

Perhaps you should support the party that is against abortion and work towards helping to fix what is broken and see to it that the "proper" groups help those in need...?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
You are quite correct. For too long "the Silent Majority" (which were brought up on Christian and conservative values) remained silent while the evildoers flourished. And for too long they remained gullible and failed to demand that any politician for whom they voted would keep his (or her) promises.

But there was a deeper problem all along. America became infiltrated with traitors at the highest levels, and no one was held accountable for treason. And that is still true. The majority of politicians were only self-serving and did not care about what was happening to their country.

Take this deceptive and evil speech given by imposter Biden yesterday. Absolutely every Republican should have boycotted that speech. Instead, they all should have gathered their constituents outside the capitol in huge numbers with placards which said "BIDEN AND HARRIS MUST RESIGN". Imagine if a million people (with proper protective security) had gathered in D.C. on January 20 and also on April 28 and protested against Leftist tyranny?
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they control through fear

and who would not be afraid of such lawless, baby-murdering thugs?

But God is not afraid. .. hardly

Again, I feel Jesus is coming back soon because things have gone just TOO far... America is toast.

it was the one, or one of the countries that established itself on Christian principles... but as John Adams (pres) said

America is [designed, my word] for a religious and moral people and is woefully inadequate for any other

that is why America is gone... We ceased to be a moral and righteous people (or at least people who sought righteousness). The "gays"... (perverts) and baby killers took over.. The "Christians" didn't seem to want to fight much... Some even began to agree w/ the perverts in t he name of Freedom... But as we Christians know... freedom to sin usually ends in sin and sin ends in... a bad place.. bondage, not freedom. Then it ends in Hell

Hell never ends...
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a lot of Christians want to live the same kind of life nonChristians live.. all this health/wealth and prosperity stuff.. Well, Jesus did not teach that. Instead, he said his followers would be hated and persecuted. .. which explains why he has so few real followers

things have also gone south on us bc we do not require our politicians to be Christian... sigh

now things seem hopeless... Maybe they are not hopeless but sometimes they seeem that way
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
You are quite correct. For too long "the Silent Majority" (which were brought up on Christian and conservative values) remained silent while the evildoers flourished. And for too long they remained gullible and failed to demand that any politician for whom they voted would keep his (or her) promises.

But there was a deeper problem all along. America became infiltrated with traitors at the highest levels, and no one was held accountable for treason. And that is still true. The majority of politicians were only self-serving and did not care about what was happening to their country.

Take this deceptive and evil speech given by imposter Biden yesterday. Absolutely every Republican should have boycotted that speech. Instead, they all should have gathered their constituents outside the capitol in huge numbers with placards which said "BIDEN AND HARRIS MUST RESIGN". Imagine if a million people (with proper protective security) had gathered in D.C. on January 20 and also on April 28 and protested against Leftist tyranny?
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Trump was born out of a baboons butt amen ?
 
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JesusWhereRU said:
Christians and other conservatives are largely to blame. I think a lot of "Christians" think that we are supposed to let evil go...
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Christians are the only thing keeping it all together. We have to a better job to prove that god's way is the right way and bring conviction back to people's hearts in this country.
"christians" are part of the problem- We have people that ignore sin, or worse, say that sin is love and that good is evil. On the other hand we also have people that think that it's okay to fight fire with fire and hate our adversaries. People masquerading as Christians are a plague. Turning people away from conservatives, and worse, away from god.
JesusWhereRU said:
Well, yes, Jesus did say that but I heard (or read) someone explain that psg once and it is not as simple as it first appears.
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Correct. This scripture has nothing to do with ignoring sin. In fact, it basically is telling you to call people out when they sin against you rather than just punching them back in the face.

I don't like name dropping but, Ben Shapiro talked about how Politics Follows Culture. I think he's right and that's one thing we aren't doing good at as Christians, and conservatives. We don't create "cultural capital" that competes with the world. I just don't think puppet shows in the kids ministry is going to cut it.

The enemy has a stronghold over public education. Even if we all somehow managed to homeschool/private school our kids, we still can't abandon and ignore public education, because still being used to poison young people. PRO TIP: Conservative politicians pointing out that Hitler was right about educating youth (or that he was right about anything) is probably not the way to go.

There are other things that need to happen, too, and you're right, it starts with us. But regardless of who is in office in the meantime, we have to remember to pray for them no matter what their beliefs are. Even if Nancy Pelosi was sitting president, Jesus is our King and God is in control.
JesusWhereRU said:
the one where Jesus said that He came not to bring peace but a sword... division, not unity (though His Church is united in Him but that is the only unity to be found on this miserable planet)
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Yes, but a house divided cannot stand. It's our adversary that we need to divide. Not the country itself.
 
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Next to the one i replied to, jesus comanded love your neighbor as yourself
trunp loves himself and kills his neighbors, right.
 
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GaryA said:
I can agree with your last sentence; however, I must disagree with the sentence before that - God would have it that family, neighbors, and local churches should "look after" and "take care of" the poor, disabled, and elderly - not governments.

Perhaps you should support the party that is against abortion and work towards helping to fix what is broken and see to it that the "proper" groups help those in need...?
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Ideally, yes, but many churches can't or wont
 
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