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Nehemiah6

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It will come as a total shock to everyone to hear that coronavirus DOES NOT EXIST! This is based up the actual scientific method of isolating viruses as reviewed by medical doctors below. Not the bogus methods ("scientific fraud") which have been used for the purpose of fear-mongering. The scientific paper posted below is from http://www.principia-scientific.org/. [Note: I have slightly reformatted for ease of understanding]

Statement On Virus Isolation (SOVI)
Published on April 24, 2021

Written by John O'Sullivan

Since August 2020* Principia Scientific International has been among the forefront of organisations questioning the official narrative of whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus, allegedly the cause of the COVID19 pandemic, can be proven to exist in empirical science.

We see that no lab has successfully isolated the ‘virus’ to establish a gold standard. The following is an important Statement On Virus Isolation (SOVI) by Dr Andrew Kaufman MD et al. that addresses these concerns in depth.

Isolation: The action of isolating; the fact or condition of being isolated or standing alone; separation from other things or persons; solitariness. – Oxford English Dictionary

The controversy over whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus has ever been isolated or purified continues. However, using the above definition, common sense, the laws of logic and the dictates of science, any unbiased person must come to the conclusion that the SARS-CoV-2 virus has never been isolated or purified. As a result, no confirmation of the virus’ existence can be found. The logical, common sense, and scientific consequences of this fact are: (a) the structure and composition of something not shown to exist can’t be known, including the presence, structure, and function of any hypothetical spike or other proteins; (b) the genetic sequence of something that has never been found can’t be known; (c) “variants” of something that hasn’t been shown to exist can’t be known; (d) it’s impossible to demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 causes a disease called Covid-19.

In as concise terms as possible, here’s the proper way to isolate, characterize and demonstrate a new virus.


1. First, one takes samples (blood, sputum, secretions) from many people (e.g. 500) with symptoms which are unique and specific enough to characterize an illness.

2. Without mixing these samples with ANY tissue or products that also contain genetic material, the virologist macerates, filters and ultracentrifuges i.e. purifies the specimen.

3. This common virology technique, done for decades to isolate bacteriophages [1] and so-called giant viruses in every virology lab, then allows the virologist to demonstrate with electron microscopy thousands of identically sized and shaped particles.

4. These particles are the isolated and purified virus.

5. These identical particles are then checked for uniformity by physical and/or microscopic techniques.


6. Once the purity is determined, the particles may be further characterized. This would include examining the structure, morphology, and chemical composition of the particles.


7. Next, their genetic makeup is characterized by extracting the genetic material directly from the purified particles and using genetic-sequencing techniques, such as Sanger sequencing, that have also been around for decades.

8. Then one does an analysis to confirm that these uniform particles are exogenous (outside) in origin as a virus is conceptualized to be, and not the normal breakdown products of dead and dying tissues. [2] (As of May 2020, we know that virologists have no way to determine whether the particles they’re seeing are viruses or just normal break-down products of dead and dying tissues.) [3]


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Footnotes
1 Isolation, characterization and analysis of bacteriophages from the haloalkaline lake Elmenteita, KenyaJuliah Khayeli Akhwale et al, PLOS One, Published: April 25, 2019. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0215734 — accessed 2/15/21
2 “Extracellular Vesicles Derived From Apoptotic Cells: An Essential Link Between Death and Regeneration,” Maojiao Li1 et al, Frontiers in Cell and Developmental Biology, 2020 October 2. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcell.2020.573511/full — accessed 2/15/21
3 “The Role of Extracellular Vesicles as Allies of HIV, HCV and SARS Viruses,” Flavia Giannessi, et al, Viruses, 2020 May

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If we have come this far then we have fully isolated, characterized, and genetically sequenced an exogenous virus particle. However, we still have to show it is causally related to a disease. This is carried out by exposing a group of healthy subjects (animals are usually used) to this isolated, purified virus in the manner in which the disease is thought to be transmitted. If the animals get sick with the same disease, as confirmed by clinical and autopsy findings, one has now shown that the virus actually causes a disease. This demonstrates infectivity and transmission of an infectious agent.

None of these steps has even been attempted with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, nor have all these steps been successfully performed for any so-called pathogenic virus. Our research indicates that a single study showing these steps does not exist in the medical literature.

Instead, since 1954, virologists have taken unpurified samples from a relatively few people, often less than ten, with a similar disease. They then minimally process this sample and inoculate this unpurified sample onto tissue culture containing usually four to six other types of material — all of which contain identical genetic material as to what is called a “virus.” The tissue culture is starved and poisoned and naturally disintegrates into many types of particles, some of which contain genetic material. Against all common sense, logic, use of the English language and scientific integrity, this process is called “virus isolation.” This brew containing fragments of genetic material from many sources is then subjected to genetic analysis, which then creates in a computer-simulation process the alleged sequence of the alleged virus, a so called in silico genome. At no time is an actual virus confirmed by electron microscopy. At no time is a genome extracted and sequenced from an actual virus. This is scientific fraud.

The observation that the unpurified specimen — inoculated onto tissue culture along with toxic antibiotics, bovine fetal tissue, amniotic fluid and other tissues — destroys the kidney tissue onto which it is inoculated is given as evidence of the virus’ existence and pathogenicity. This is scientific fraud.

From now on, when anyone gives you a paper that suggests the SARS-CoV-2 virus has been isolated, please check the methods sections. If the researchers used Vero cells or any other culture method, you know that their process was not isolation. You will hear the following excuses for why actual isolation isn’t done: (a) There were not enough virus particles found in samples from patients to analyze. (b) Viruses are intracellular parasites; they can’t be found outside the cell in this manner.


If No. 1 is correct, and we can’t find the virus in the sputum of sick people, then on what evidence do we think the virus is dangerous or even lethal? If No. 2 is correct, then how is the virus spread from person to person? We are told it emerges from the cell to infect others. Then why isn’t it possible to find it?

Finally, questioning these virology techniques and conclusions is not some distraction or divisive issue. Shining the light on this truth is essential to stop this terrible fraud that humanity is confronting. For, as we now know, if the virus has never been isolated, sequenced or shown to cause illness, if the virus is imaginary, then why are we wearing masks, social distancing and putting the whole world into prison?

Finally, if pathogenic viruses don’t exist, then what is going into those injectable devices erroneously called “vaccines,” and what is their purpose? This scientific question is the most urgent and relevant one of our time.

We are correct. The SARS-CoV2 virus does not exist.
[Signed] Sally Fallon Morell
Sally Fallon Morell, MA

[Signed] Thomas Cowan
Dr. Thomas Cowan, MD

[Signed] Andy Kaufman
Dr. Andrew Kaufman, MD


Read more at andrewkaufmanmd.com
 

Dude653

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This is the news forum. The conspiracy forum is just around the corner
 

posthuman

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It will come as a total shock to everyone to hear that coronavirus DOES NOT EXIST! This is based up the actual scientific method of isolating viruses as reviewed by medical doctors below. Not the bogus methods ("scientific fraud") which have been used for the purpose of fear-mongering. The scientific paper posted below is from http://www.principia-scientific.org/. [Note: I have slightly reformatted for ease of understanding]
dude.

wow.

also,

previously discussed about 15 months ago.
no i'm not going to waste my time digging up the thread where the same asnine ignorant claims were made and refuted.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article


tell me more about how you recently learned the earth is flat and controlled by space lizards?
 

Nehemiah6

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asnine ignorant claims were made and refuted.
"Asinine?" "Ignorant?" You are displaying your own ignorance of strict scientific methodology. Since I was a microbiologist, I can speak with some authority on this matter. The bottom line is that if you cannot actually isolate a virus (according to the proper protocol outlined in that paper) IT DOES NOT EXIST.

And when you refer to the lying and corrupt CDC for your information it goes to show that you don't even know what is really going on. WHO, CDC, NIH, etc have changed definitions and goal posts as and when it suited their false narrative.
 

Nehemiah6

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Are they COVID cases or are they influenza cases? Or are they even cases? The problem is that even the meaning of "case" has been deliberately corrupted.

1. The PCR test has generally been used worldwide to establish so-called "cases".

2. The PCR test was (and still is) being done improperly so that the CT values were well beyond the range which establishes a true result. IOW words 99% of the tests were false positives. The CT value should be no more than 25, but the values reported were in the 38-40 range (which renders the test meaningless).

3. Even a true positive test IS NOT A CASE. 99% of those who are asymptomatic may test positive but it is the 1% who actually get sick and are placed under treatment. All the so-called "cases" in North America are suspect since they were mostly false positive TESTS, not cases. The same would be true in India.

4. The public health authorities deliberately sabotaged cheap and effective treatments with the HCQ combo pack, Ivermectin, Vitamin D, etc. This is totally unethical and was done to promote the bogus vaccines. So hundreds of thousands were sacrificed for BIG PHARMA.

5. You do not have to rely on what I am saying. There are dozens of medical doctors and scientists who have already pointed out all this medical fraud.

In brief, we really do not know the true state of affairs in India, since India is going along with the same nonsensical methodology as everyone else.
 

Magenta

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The virus that causes COVID-19 exists and was identified and
isolated multiple times by independent research groups

Multiple studies conducted by different research labs across the world independently
isolated and identified the virus that causes COVID-19, demonstrating that the virus
does indeed exist. Scientific studies have also shown that the virus fulfils Koch’s
postulates, demonstrating that it is indeed the cause of COVID-19.


Several scientific research groups independently identified and isolated SARS-CoV-2, the
virus causing COVID-19, as demonstrated in numerous published studies. Studies also show
that the virus fulfils Koch’s postulates, indicating that it is indeed the cause of COVID-19.


Numerous posts claiming that the virus causing COVID-19 does not exist and has never been isolated in laboratories went viral on social media platforms like Facebook in December 2020. One example appears to provide an account of a clinical lab scientist who alleges that COVID-19 is “imaginary and fictitious” and that no laboratory “has ever isolated and purified this virus in its entirety.” Another example is a video featuring journalist Gemma O’Doherty, who also claims that there is no evidence that the virus causing COVID-19 exists and that the virus has never been isolated and does not adhere to Koch’s postulates. O’Doherty claims that meeting Koch’s postulates is required to “validate that a virus exists.”

The claim that the virus that causes COVID-19 does not meet Koch’s postulates is false and was covered in a previous Health Feedback review. Below, we recap our earlier findings and explain why the claim that “the virus has never been isolated” is also false.

What Koch’s postulates are—and what they are not
As explained in our earlier review, Koch’s postulates are a set of criteria used to establish whether a microorganism (such as bacteria, fungi, viruses) is responsible for causing a particular disease. Koch’s postulates are NOT, as O’Doherty claims, a way to establish a virus exists.


The postulates were originally developed by Robert Koch, a German physician who won the Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine in 1905 for his work on tuberculosis. The original postulates are as follows:
  1. The microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms.
  2. The organism must be isolated from a host containing the disease and grown in pure culture.
  3. Samples of the organism taken from pure culture must cause the same disease when inoculated into a healthy, susceptible animal in the laboratory.
  4. The organism must be isolated from the inoculated animal and must be identified as the same original organism first isolated from the originally diseased host.
While these postulates remain an important foundation for establishing the cause of an infectious disease today, scientists also recognize that there are limitations to these criteria. Vincent Racaniello, a virologist and professor at Columbia University’s College of Physicians & Surgeons, wrote in his blog post that “Despite the importance of Koch’s postulates in the development of microbiology, they have severe limitations, which even Koch realized.” For example, Vibrio cholerae, the bacterium that causes cholera, could be isolated from both sick and healthy people, invalidating postulate #1.

Other notable exceptions to the original postulates that Racaniello pointed out are viruses, such as poliovirus, which cause illnesses of varying severity. For example, fewer than 1% of individuals infected by polio are affected by paralysis. Because the resulting disease does not manifest in the same way for all infected individuals, the virus that causes the disease does not fulfil postulate #3.

Additionally, Racaniello writes, “Postulates #2 and #3 cannot be fulfilled for viruses that do not replicate in cell culture, or for which a suitable animal model has not been identified.” Consequently, over the past decades, scientists have found it necessary to adapt Koch’s postulates to study viral diseases[1-3].

Ian Lipkin, professor of epidemiology and director at the Center for Infection and Immunity of Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health, told Health Feedback in an earlier review that many published studies already demonstrated that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, fulfills Koch’s postulates[4-6]. Specifically, researchers isolated SARS-CoV-2 from COVID-19 patient samples, propagated the virus in cell cultures in the laboratory, and infected non-human primates with the cultured virus. The infected primates displayed the same signs of COVID-19 as humans, including lung damage and pneumonia. Finally, the researchers were able to detect the virus in the infected animals. With these findings, all four of Koch’s postulates are met, demonstrating that SARS-CoV-2 is the cause of COVID-19.
The virus has been isolated many times in different labs across the world
It is also false to state that the virus that causes COVID-19 has never been isolated. Virologist and associate professor at the University of Queensland Ian Mackay showed in this blog post how multiple scientific studies demonstrated that SARS-CoV-2 was isolated independently in multiple labs across the world. These studies, which are freely accessible to the public on the Internet, provide evidence that the virus does indeed exist and furthermore, is not being confused with other viruses.
One of the very first studies to characterize SARS-CoV-2 was published in February 2020 by Zhou et al. The study was led by researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and published in Nature. The authors sequenced the virus’ genetic code from COVID-19 patient samples as well as viral samples grown in cell cultures, and provided electron microscopy images of the SARS-CoV-2 virus (see Figure 1)[7].

Another study captured images of the SARS-CoV-2 virus using a technique called cryo-electron tomography, which was published by Turoňová et al., a group based at the European Molecular Biology Laboratory in Heidelberg, Germany, in Science (see Figure 2 below)[8]. In their study, Turoňová et al. used the SARS-CoV-2 BavPat1/2020 isolate, which was obtained from an infected patient in Germany. Mackay described their study thus:

Beata Turoňová and team took some of the SARS-CoV-2 BavPat1/2020 isolate, grew it in Vero E6 cell culture, passaging (infecting, harvesting, infecting a fresh flask of cells and so on) five times. They took this virus and centrifuged all the uninfected cells and cell debris and made stocks into a pellet, and collected and froze the liquid above the inactivate (the supernatant).
Some of this stock was later thawed and used to infect a fresh new flask of Vero E6 cells. After six hours the cultures were fixed (treated with a chemical to kill the cells and inactivate the virus while retaining the cell and virus structures—like freezing them in time). This preparation was clarified twice by centrifugation (now a pretty pure preparation of virus + salty solution). This was then layered gently onto a cushion of sucrose (20% weight per volume) in a special tube. The tubes were centrifuged at very high speed (30,000 rpm) in an ultracentrifuge and the pellet—consisting of virus (any less dense material like small particles of cell debris couldn’t travel through the more dense sucrose cushion)—was suspended in a tenth of a millilitre of saline.
They now had a very pure preparation. There are no Vero E6 cells or bacteria or broken up pieces left, just the tiny virus particles.
This was then prepared for cryo-electron tomography studies which allowed the investigators to view and produce images of single virions and even individual projecting spike protein trimers. (continued in next post)
 

Magenta

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In claiming that there is no evidence that the virus exists, O’Doherty demanded that Ireland’s Health Service Executive “describe the isolation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus […] taken directly from a symptomatic patient with COVID-19, where the sample was not combined […] or mixed with any other source of genetic material, such as for example monkey kidney cells or cancer cells, thereby eliminating contamination.”

However, this demand demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of how viruses work. Viruses, being obligate intracellular parasites[9], cannot grow on their own and can only replicate in the presence of host cells, like animal or human cells. Such cells are essential for growing viruses to conduct experiments. O’Doherty also does not produce any evidence demonstrating that host cells are causing “contamination” that interferes with virus identification.

Some have cast doubt on studies about COVID-19 and the virus SARS-CoV-2, alleging that researchers who published studies on SARS-CoV-2 cannot be certain that they were studying SARS-CoV-2, or even a virus at all, while others claim that COVID-19 is caused by the flu virus rather than a novel coronavirus (see Health Feedback’s earlier reviews).
Mackay pointed out a study in Germany that refutes these claims[10]:

Let’s look at one variant of SARS-CoV-02 […] BetaCoV/Germany/BavPat1/2020 p.1 has been made available for researchers via reliable and professional providers of such biological materials (linked above). It was collected January 28th from a hospitalized male patient from Munich who was described as the index case of the Bavaria cluster in Germany […] He was initially suffering from cough, fever and diarrhoea. The SARS-CoV-2 variant from this patient is listed on the sequence database, GISAID, as hCoV-19/Germany/BY-ChVir-929/2020 (with [its] unique identified EPI_ISL_406862). It was sequenced from the original sample, not undergoing any cell culturing first. Obviously, after this, the virus was cultured and made available as a resource for other scientists to use—which it clearly has been and put to very good use. [Editor’s note: BetaCoV/Germany/BavPat1/2020 p.1 is the isolate used in the study by Turoňová et al.]
SARS-CoV-2 was confirmed in all of these cases by careful testing at two different laboratories. All patients in this Munich-based cluster were also tested for all other important respiratory viruses using sensitive PCR-based tests. These included:
HCoV-HKU1
HCoV-OC43
HCoV-NL63
HCoV-229E
influenza virus A
influenza virus B
rhinoviruses
enteroviruses
respiratory syncytial virus
human parainfluenza viruses 1, 2, 3 and 4
human metapneumovirus
adenoviruses
human bocavirus
No concurrent infections were identified. […]
All of this sums up as: the studies done on this virus are studies of this virus. These were not accidentally studies of some other (completely unknown beforehand by the way) virus. And the sequence was not ‘tainted’ by culturing; the SARS-CoV-2 entire genetic makeup was determined from material taken directly from the patient who was sick due to this virus and not another virus, at the time. They were also sick with an acute respiratory illness traditionally typical of a viral cause. It’s a tight case.” (emphasis added)
In summary, the claim that the virus that causes COVID-19 does not exist and is simply being confused with other viruses are false. As shown above, abundant scientific evidence demonstrates that SARS-CoV-2, the virus causing COVID-19, exists and fulfils Koch’s postulates, conclusively showing the virus to be the cause of the disease. Finally, studies on SARS-CoV-2 are indeed studies of SARS-CoV-2 and not of the flu virus or any other virus.

Coronavirus COVID-19

Published on: 01 Jan 2021 | Editor: Flora Teoh
 

Nehemiah6

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In summary, the claim that the virus that causes COVID-19 does not exist and is simply being confused with other viruses are false.
More Fake News. Of course there will be a pushback from the liars and deceivers. But here are the facts.

BREAKING: Irish Government Admits COVID-19 is a Fake Hoax Scam which DOES NOT EVEN EXIST

Thanks to the brave work of freelance journalist Gemma O’Doherty a new important information has now surfaced to the public. This brave woman has sued the Irish government over the COVID-19 lockdowns and during the process she also demanded that Ireland’s HSE prove that COVID-19 even exists.
To our surprise the HSE issued a statement where they basically said that they do not have records of the virus being isolated and therefore they do not have any proof that COVID-19 exists.


https://stateofthenation.co/?p=62359

The main thrust of this thread is that if you cannot isolate a virus using the standard scientific methodology for isolating viruses, then it simply does not exist. The proof is in the pudding. NOT A SINGLE BOGUS VACCINE HAS THE ACTUAL VIRUS in either a weakened or inactive form.
 

Magenta

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NOT A SINGLE BOGUS VACCINE HAS THE ACTUAL VIRUS in either a weakened or inactive form.
That is not the issue, and you would be crying foul if the vaccine did have the virus in it because it is so... virulent. How odd that you tell people to get away from social media sites like facebook but then turn around and spread the nonsense spewed there.

Both mRNA and viral vector COVID-19 vaccines deliver instructions (genetic material)
to our cells to start building protection against the virus that causes COVID-19.
COVID-19 vaccines "teach" the immune system how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19.
 

Magenta

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NOT A SINGLE BOGUS VACCINE HAS THE ACTUAL VIRUS in either a weakened or inactive form.
You are also being self-contradictory. If the virus does not exist as you claim again
and again, how could it possibly be put in any vaccine? Make up your confused mind.


In the meantime, many are dying horrible deaths of what you say doesn't exist.
 

posthuman

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"Asinine?" "Ignorant?" You are displaying your own ignorance of strict scientific methodology. Since I was a microbiologist, I can speak with some authority on this matter. The bottom line is that if you cannot actually isolate a virus (according to the proper protocol outlined in that paper) IT DOES NOT EXIST.

And when you refer to the lying and corrupt CDC for your information it goes to show that you don't even know what is really going on. WHO, CDC, NIH, etc have changed definitions and goal posts as and when it suited their false narrative.

you assert that NASA photoshops everything so you reject all evidence contrary to your narrative, huh?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32132196/
 

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It will come as a total shock to everyone to hear that coronavirus DOES NOT EXIST! This is based up the actual scientific method of isolating viruses as reviewed by medical doctors below. Not the bogus methods ("scientific fraud") which have been used for the purpose of fear-mongering. The scientific paper posted below is from http://www.principia-scientific.org/. [Note: I have slightly reformatted for ease of understanding]

Statement On Virus Isolation (SOVI)
Published on April 24, 2021

Written by John O'Sullivan

Since August 2020* Principia Scientific International has been among the forefront of organisations questioning the official narrative of whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus, allegedly the cause of the COVID19 pandemic, can be proven to exist in empirical science.

We see that no lab has successfully isolated the ‘virus’ to establish a gold standard. The following is an important Statement On Virus Isolation (SOVI) by Dr Andrew Kaufman MD et al. that addresses these concerns in depth.

Isolation: The action of isolating; the fact or condition of being isolated or standing alone; separation from other things or persons; solitariness. – Oxford English Dictionary

The controversy over whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus has ever been isolated or purified continues. However, using the above definition, common sense, the laws of logic and the dictates of science, any unbiased person must come to the conclusion that the SARS-CoV-2 virus has never been isolated or purified. As a result, no confirmation of the virus’ existence can be found. The logical, common sense, and scientific consequences of this fact are: (a) the structure and composition of something not shown to exist can’t be known, including the presence, structure, and function of any hypothetical spike or other proteins; (b) the genetic sequence of something that has never been found can’t be known; (c) “variants” of something that hasn’t been shown to exist can’t be known; (d) it’s impossible to demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 causes a disease called Covid-19.

In as concise terms as possible, here’s the proper way to isolate, characterize and demonstrate a new virus.

1. First, one takes samples (blood, sputum, secretions) from many people (e.g. 500) with symptoms which are unique and specific enough to characterize an illness.

2. Without mixing these samples with ANY tissue or products that also contain genetic material, the virologist macerates, filters and ultracentrifuges i.e. purifies the specimen.

3. This common virology technique, done for decades to isolate bacteriophages [1] and so-called giant viruses in every virology lab, then allows the virologist to demonstrate with electron microscopy thousands of identically sized and shaped particles.

4. These particles are the isolated and purified virus.

5. These identical particles are then checked for uniformity by physical and/or microscopic techniques.

6. Once the purity is determined, the particles may be further characterized. This would include examining the structure, morphology, and chemical composition of the particles.

7. Next, their genetic makeup is characterized by extracting the genetic material directly from the purified particles and using genetic-sequencing techniques, such as Sanger sequencing, that have also been around for decades.

8. Then one does an analysis to confirm that these uniform particles are exogenous (outside) in origin as a virus is conceptualized to be, and not the normal breakdown products of dead and dying tissues. [2] (As of May 2020, we know that virologists have no way to determine whether the particles they’re seeing are viruses or just normal break-down products of dead and dying tissues.) [3]

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Footnotes
1 Isolation, characterization and analysis of bacteriophages from the haloalkaline lake Elmenteita, KenyaJuliah Khayeli Akhwale et al, PLOS One, Published: April 25, 2019. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0215734 — accessed 2/15/21
2 “Extracellular Vesicles Derived From Apoptotic Cells: An Essential Link Between Death and Regeneration,” Maojiao Li1 et al, Frontiers in Cell and Developmental Biology, 2020 October 2. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcell.2020.573511/full — accessed 2/15/21
3 “The Role of Extracellular Vesicles as Allies of HIV, HCV and SARS Viruses,” Flavia Giannessi, et al, Viruses, 2020 May


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If we have come this far then we have fully isolated, characterized, and genetically sequenced an exogenous virus particle. However, we still have to show it is causally related to a disease. This is carried out by exposing a group of healthy subjects (animals are usually used) to this isolated, purified virus in the manner in which the disease is thought to be transmitted. If the animals get sick with the same disease, as confirmed by clinical and autopsy findings, one has now shown that the virus actually causes a disease. This demonstrates infectivity and transmission of an infectious agent.


None of these steps has even been attempted with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, nor have all these steps been successfully performed for any so-called pathogenic virus. Our research indicates that a single study showing these steps does not exist in the medical literature.

Instead, since 1954, virologists have taken unpurified samples from a relatively few people, often less than ten, with a similar disease. They then minimally process this sample and inoculate this unpurified sample onto tissue culture containing usually four to six other types of material — all of which contain identical genetic material as to what is called a “virus.” The tissue culture is starved and poisoned and naturally disintegrates into many types of particles, some of which contain genetic material. Against all common sense, logic, use of the English language and scientific integrity, this process is called “virus isolation.” This brew containing fragments of genetic material from many sources is then subjected to genetic analysis, which then creates in a computer-simulation process the alleged sequence of the alleged virus, a so called in silico genome. At no time is an actual virus confirmed by electron microscopy. At no time is a genome extracted and sequenced from an actual virus. This is scientific fraud.

The observation that the unpurified specimen — inoculated onto tissue culture along with toxic antibiotics, bovine fetal tissue, amniotic fluid and other tissues — destroys the kidney tissue onto which it is inoculated is given as evidence of the virus’ existence and pathogenicity. This is scientific fraud.

From now on, when anyone gives you a paper that suggests the SARS-CoV-2 virus has been isolated, please check the methods sections. If the researchers used Vero cells or any other culture method, you know that their process was not isolation. You will hear the following excuses for why actual isolation isn’t done: (a) There were not enough virus particles found in samples from patients to analyze. (b) Viruses are intracellular parasites; they can’t be found outside the cell in this manner.

If No. 1 is correct, and we can’t find the virus in the sputum of sick people, then on what evidence do we think the virus is dangerous or even lethal? If No. 2 is correct, then how is the virus spread from person to person? We are told it emerges from the cell to infect others. Then why isn’t it
Yes, and the people dieing because of nothing. I am working in a hospital. We have Covid patients, present 5 on our intensiv ward at breathmaschines. I have Co- workers which got Covid and are after 4 month still not able to work. And you will tell now that Covid not exist?
Sorry to say. You are massive disinformed.
 

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"Asinine?" "Ignorant?" You are displaying your own ignorance of strict scientific methodology. Since I was a microbiologist, I can speak with some authority on this matter. The bottom line is that if you cannot actually isolate a virus (according to the proper protocol outlined in that paper) IT DOES NOT EXIST.

And when you refer to the lying and corrupt CDC for your information it goes to show that you don't even know what is really going on. WHO, CDC, NIH, etc have changed definitions and goal posts as and when it suited their false narrative.
There is no fear of God anymore

so it's no wonder---

forgot my main point but anyhow, some people trust the untrustworthy. When I was growing up, I trusted whatever I read in black and white and/or whatever was told me by "authorities"

ha ha... I look back at all that with a shudder. I found out the hard way just how utterly corrupt/selfish/evil most humans are. And the good ones aregetting run over by the evil ones

or as the Word says

in the last days, because of iniquity, the love of many will grow cold (love for others.. love for God's Laws/ways)
 

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Yes, and the people dieing because of nothing. I am working in a hospital. We have Covid patients, present 5 on our intensiv ward at breathmaschines. I have Co- workers which got Covid and are after 4 month still not able to work. And you will tell now that Covid not exist?
Sorry to say. You are massive disinformed.
how do you know these people have this virus and not something else?

which brings me to the point of how a lot of deaths were called covid when the patient actually had a pre-existing condition. Even the flu will take a vulnerable person out.
 

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Yet corpses pile up in the streets of Brazil.
While Indians have to cremate 10 bodies at a time.
That's right, it's all an illusion.
 

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how do you know these people have this virus and not something else?

which brings me to the point of how a lot of deaths were called covid when the patient actually had a pre-existing condition. Even the flu will take a vulnerable person out.
Come on, I am working 30 years in this profession. The flu season is over, we never had such much people with lung problems in the hospital. Even not in times of flu.
Now we have younger patients and of course
Deseases like f.e. Rheuma and diabetic, ore a weak defendsystem of the body, force a heavy case of covidinfection, but also young people without known other deseases can bevome a heavy case.

Even if the patients have a pre- existing condition the cause for their death is the virus. And not the pre existing condition.
 
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https://www.bitchute.com/video/DplQwlitOGSm/

The CV was Patented as was testing and vaccines
This link is an interesting take on the overall scheme
We are in deep trouble.

Forces are lining up for a one world gov.

This entire virus thing is so perfect for a world dominator to emerge....an evil dominator.

Earths inhabitants disenfranchised and played like a fiddle.

The democrats are in total power now. Total power.

Me= stay close to Jesus
 
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Btw

Quinine kills the virus.
Other countries use it for malaria.
Hydroxy kills it.
Silver kills it.

The world is stupid.

People dying for nothing.

How dumb can you be and still breathe