50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord
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Just as the pre-tribbers deny Gods words regarding truth, you do the same regarding the false teaching of a Millennial Kingdom on this earth,
Many falsely claiming Jesus will come and rule on earth amongst mortal humans, this being (Deception)
As God's word "Clearly Teaches" below, Jesus Christ returns (Then Cometh The End) Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory, The Eternal Glorified Body Is Received, At This Last Day Resurrection And Changing
Your Millennial Kingdom On Earth Is "Gone", In Light Of God's Presented Words Of Truth Below, "Gone"
Will You Rebel Against The Clear Words Of God?
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end,
1 Corinthians 15:21-24 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Many falsely claiming Jesus will come and rule on earth amongst mortal humans, this being (Deception)
As God's word "Clearly Teaches" below, Jesus Christ returns (Then Cometh The End) Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory, The Eternal Glorified Body Is Received, At This Last Day Resurrection And Changing
Your Millennial Kingdom On Earth Is "Gone", In Light Of God's Presented Words Of Truth Below, "Gone"
Will You Rebel Against The Clear Words Of God?
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end,
1 Corinthians 15:21-24 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
No.
This is just so easy to understand.
In Revelation, the NHNE occur AFTER the Millennium in ch 20. And 21:1 says - Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
The red word "then" clearly indictes that the NHNE occurs after the GWT judgment, 20:11-15, which is AFTER the Millennium, or at the close of the Millennium.
How do I know that there is a specific end point to the Millennium? The Bible makes that quite plain.
Rev 20-
3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
John was real clear about the "ending" of 1,000 years. To spiritualize the Millennium is to ignore clear words.
No, they have to spiritualize ch 20 because they simply misunderstand other verses, such as 2 Pet 3, which I've explained above.
Some of it is very literal.
This is just so easy to understand.
In Revelation, the NHNE occur AFTER the Millennium in ch 20. And 21:1 says - Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
The red word "then" clearly indictes that the NHNE occurs after the GWT judgment, 20:11-15, which is AFTER the Millennium, or at the close of the Millennium.
How do I know that there is a specific end point to the Millennium? The Bible makes that quite plain.
Rev 20-
3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
John was real clear about the "ending" of 1,000 years. To spiritualize the Millennium is to ignore clear words.
No, they have to spiritualize ch 20 because they simply misunderstand other verses, such as 2 Pet 3, which I've explained above.
Some of it is very literal.
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He says this in a passage about what happens AFTER the tribulation. 'For then shall be great tribulation...after the tribulation of those days...then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven.. He shall gather together the elect...For as the days of Noah were, so also shall the coming of the Son of Man be.
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How dishonest could one be 
The entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15 surrounds the resurrection, that takes place at the (Second Coming)
Yes the last enemy death is destroyed, as the believers receive their (Eternal) glorified bodies
Yes as is "Clearly Taught" when Jesus Christ returns its (The End)
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end,
(Then Cometh The End)
(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)
1 Corinthians 15:21-24 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
The entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15 surrounds the resurrection, that takes place at the (Second Coming)
Yes the last enemy death is destroyed, as the believers receive their (Eternal) glorified bodies
Yes as is "Clearly Taught" when Jesus Christ returns its (The End)
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end,
(Then Cometh The End)
(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)
1 Corinthians 15:21-24 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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FreeGrace2 said:
Said the guy with zero basis for his theories.
I don't even bother with Noah or Lot. I am fully capable of reading ALL the rapture verses and noting that there are NONE that say that raptured believers go to heaven.
I have. And I will again. Will YOU pay attention this time?
2 Thess 2:1-3 proves that the "coming of the Lord" is AFTER "the rebellion" and "man of lawlessness is revealed". And the gathering is WHEN the "coming of the Lord" happens.
1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
Get your spectacles on and read with comprehension.
Now, where is the verse that makes very clear that raptured believers going to heaven?
How about YOU getting a Bible and post the remedy to YOUR dilemma.
Said the guy with zero basis for his theories.
I don't even bother with Noah or Lot. I am fully capable of reading ALL the rapture verses and noting that there are NONE that say that raptured believers go to heaven.
I have. And I will again. Will YOU pay attention this time?
2 Thess 2:1-3 proves that the "coming of the Lord" is AFTER "the rebellion" and "man of lawlessness is revealed". And the gathering is WHEN the "coming of the Lord" happens.
1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
Get your spectacles on and read with comprehension.
Now, where is the verse that makes very clear that raptured believers going to heaven?
How about YOU getting a Bible and post the remedy to YOUR dilemma.
Your claim is false, you didnt give the "Translation" your entire post is seen below, with no translation identified
When quoting Please post the Book, Chapter, Verse(s), Translation used, common courtesy, thanks
Quote FreeGrace2 Post #1530:
I have. And I will again. Will YOU pay attention this time?
2 Thess 2:1-3 proves that the "coming of the Lord" is AFTER "the rebellion" and "man of lawlessness is revealed". And the gathering is WHEN the "coming of the Lord" happens.
1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
Get a bible and post the remedy to your dilemma
Get your spectacles on and read with comprehension.
Now, where is the verse that makes very clear that raptured believers going to heaven?
How about YOU getting a Bible and post the remedy to YOUR dilemma.
When quoting Please post the Book, Chapter, Verse(s), Translation used, common courtesy, thanks
Quote FreeGrace2 Post #1530:
I have. And I will again. Will YOU pay attention this time?
2 Thess 2:1-3 proves that the "coming of the Lord" is AFTER "the rebellion" and "man of lawlessness is revealed". And the gathering is WHEN the "coming of the Lord" happens.
1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
Get a bible and post the remedy to your dilemma
Get your spectacles on and read with comprehension.
Now, where is the verse that makes very clear that raptured believers going to heaven?
How about YOU getting a Bible and post the remedy to YOUR dilemma.
The book of Hebrews is an exhortation for Jews to come all the way to Christ and abandon the law of Moses as the means to salvation. And yes the Mosaic and Levitical covenants are absolutely obsolete. However you are making the assumption that this has a bearing on the necessity of sacrifices during the millennial kingdom. It doesn't. In fact a summary of Gods order of worship during the millennial reign is set forth in Ezekiel and elsewhere. In explicit detail. In stupefying volume.
Deny if you wish but it's right there in black and white. No doubt there will be sacrifices during the millennial reign. However they have absolutely nothing to do with sacrifice for the satisfaction of sin. These sacrifices are a remembrance of the Atonement and a means of worship.
Deny if you wish but it's right there in black and white. No doubt there will be sacrifices during the millennial reign. However they have absolutely nothing to do with sacrifice for the satisfaction of sin. These sacrifices are a remembrance of the Atonement and a means of worship.
After reading Hebrews 10:1-10 (KJV) you still think God wants to bring animal sacrifices back? Please quote the chapter and verse from Ezekiel.
Heb. 10:1-10
1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb. 10:1-10
1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Thanks for proving my point. These doubting and recalcitrant Jews were having trouble abandoning the law of Moses as a means of atonement. Probably primarily because of social pressures.
Those passages as well as every other point of argument made is saying the same thing over and over again: Christ Himself is the final sacrifice for sin, and He is the new and better high priest. Therefore they must abandon the Law of Moses and the old Levitical priesthood, as it is obsolete and useless. Furthermore a willful failure to abandon the old religious economy will leave the practitioner bereft of salvation.
None of this is any bearing on the Millennial order of worship or prescribed sacrifices. That's the way it's going to be whether you believe it or not or whether you like it or not. As is so common you are conflating scripture and making unwarranted spurious assumptions, which are nothing more than a figment of your imagination.
Those passages as well as every other point of argument made is saying the same thing over and over again: Christ Himself is the final sacrifice for sin, and He is the new and better high priest. Therefore they must abandon the Law of Moses and the old Levitical priesthood, as it is obsolete and useless. Furthermore a willful failure to abandon the old religious economy will leave the practitioner bereft of salvation.
None of this is any bearing on the Millennial order of worship or prescribed sacrifices. That's the way it's going to be whether you believe it or not or whether you like it or not. As is so common you are conflating scripture and making unwarranted spurious assumptions, which are nothing more than a figment of your imagination.
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You believe and falsely teach Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is a future temple that will be built in a fairy tale Millennial Kingdom on this earth, with renewed animal sacrifice directed by God, with this being (Blasphemy) to the finished work on Calvary
Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the Zerubbabel 2nd Temple, built in 536BC and destroyed by the Roman's in 70AD
Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 represents Ezekiel receiving the vision of the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple in the 25th year of the Babylonian Captivity, he was instructed in verse 4 below to show the vision to the house of Israel in the Captivity
Ezekiel 40:1-4KJV
1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the Lord was upon me, and brought me thither.
2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.
3 And he brought me thither, and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate.
4 And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.
The Zerubbabel 2nd Temple,and Gods Instruction For Blood Sacrifice For Consecration And The (Sin Offering)
Ezekiel 43:18-21KJV
18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.
Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the Zerubbabel 2nd Temple, built in 536BC and destroyed by the Roman's in 70AD
Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 represents Ezekiel receiving the vision of the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple in the 25th year of the Babylonian Captivity, he was instructed in verse 4 below to show the vision to the house of Israel in the Captivity
Ezekiel 40:1-4KJV
1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the Lord was upon me, and brought me thither.
2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.
3 And he brought me thither, and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate.
4 And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.
The Zerubbabel 2nd Temple,and Gods Instruction For Blood Sacrifice For Consecration And The (Sin Offering)
Ezekiel 43:18-21KJV
18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.
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Thanks for actually showing me the verses, like I asked, so I can make an informed decision. Yes it's clear that the second temple is currently non-existent, having been destroyed.
Jesus is the once and for all final sacrifice for sins.
The only sacrifices God accepts are those of thanksgiving, praise, and doing good:
Hebrews 13:15-16
15By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name. 16But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
Jesus is the once and for all final sacrifice for sins.
The only sacrifices God accepts are those of thanksgiving, praise, and doing good:
Hebrews 13:15-16
15By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name. 16But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
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