Why did the Lord send us the law?

[Guojing]

How can a sinner change his mind from using their own work to be reconcilled with God when the sinner did not know God nor was he trying to reconcile with God?

I don't know about how you became a Christian.

When I made that decision, I reason to myself "If God want to give me a free gift of salvation, I will take it first. Whether he really exist or not is secondary. The most if I am tricked, its a free gift anyway".

This is known as the Pascal's wager.

So was it really that difficult?

 

[GiveThanks]

I don't know about how you became a Christian.

When I made that decision, I reason to myself "If God want to give me a free gift of salvation, I will take it first. Whether he really exist or not is secondary. The most if I am tricked, its a free gift anyway".

This is known as the Pascal's wager.

So was it really that difficult?

The scripture says those who come to God must believe that He exist Hebrews 11:6. So it cannot be secondary.

Back to the question of repentsnce. When the scripture says repent, it is referring to sins of all kinds, is it not?

 

[Evmur]

Of course, this is an eternal basic truth of the Lord., Only the Lord is Holy, we are not, and only the Lord can give forgiveness. There is absolutely no question about this truth.

The problem is the taunting that is given to people who are saved by faith, and do not want to be disobedient They want to obey the law, and I object to posters stating that anyone who wants to obey the law, who repent, are putting themselves under the law. They accuse of that if you want to obey you can not try for obedience for any reason except putting yourself under law for salvation. That is something that simply does not go with obeying because Christ saved, or with repenting of sin.

It can be compared with being accused of being atheist and believing your don't need Christ. I object to being accused of such based on my repentance of sin.

If you try to live the Christ life by obedience to Moses you will fail and immediately put yourself under condemnation. We walk in the Spirit. We live out the inner Christ life.

The way of Moses is lose lose. the way of Christ is win win.

Obedience to commandments is a backslidden condition.

 

[Guojing]

The scripture says those who come to God must believe that He exist Hebrews 11:6. So it cannot be secondary.

Back to the question of repentsnce. When the scripture says repent, it is referring to sins of all kinds, is it not?

Have you realized Romans to Philemon has zero reference to the word "repentance"?

 

[Blik]

We need to believe that Christ died for our sins and rose again on the 3rd day, (1 Cor 15:1-4).

Once we do, we are automatically born into the Body of Christ.

This is something God the Father grants us, thru pure grace alone, and not thru any covenants, old nor new.

A covenant with the Lord is the way God communicates with us. It would be impossible to have salvation and not communicate with the Lord.

If we are born into the body of Christ we accept Christ within us, we can't want sin in our life and want Christ within. You go on and and on about how wanting no sin in our life is wanting to be under the law for forgiveness. That is not so. We are sinners, born in sin, but we can't WANT this sin and WAMT Christ.

 

[Guojing]

A covenant with the Lord is the way God communicates with us. It would be impossible to have salvation and not communicate with the Lord.

If we are born into the body of Christ we accept Christ within us, we can't want sin in our life and want Christ within. You go on and and on about how wanting no sin in our life is wanting to be under the law for forgiveness. That is not so. We are sinners, born in sin, but we can't WANT this sin and WAMT Christ.

Are you addressing any of my points?

 

[Blik]

If you try to live the Christ life by obedience to Moses you will fail and immediately put yourself under condemnation. We walk in the Spirit. We live out the inner Christ life.

The way of Moses is lose lose. the way of Christ is win win.

Obedience to commandments is a backslidden condition.

Moses was given many commands for us to follow that no longer apply. There is a difference between these commands and the law as Christ tells us of law. And of course we fail of keeping the law. I am not speaking of that failure, I am speaking of our will. If you will to sin you can't be forgiven of sin. God then grants you what you ask for, and it means you ask for sin in your life. You can't will to have sin and will to have Christ.

Christ explains this to us when we are told to repent. What you are speaking of is having forgiveness without repentance, Neither Paul or Christ preached that.

 

[Blik]

Are you addressing any of my points?

Are you now making a point of repentance? I haven't read that in your posts.

 

[Guojing]

Are you now making a point of repentance? I haven't read that in your posts.

Faith and repentance are synonymous under Paul's gospel, I have already posted that picture

 

[GiveThanks]

Have you realized Romans to Philemon has zero reference to the word "repentance"?

We all know that we are saved by grace and not of works. But after one is saved does God have any advice for us on how we are to live our lives?

 

[Blik]

We all know that we are saved by grace and not of works. But after one is saved does God have any advice for us on how we are to live our lives?

Thanks for bringing this up, for this is what the law is all about. First the law teaches us what kills us, it teaches we need Christ. After we repent and we are forgiven, the law guides us to how to live with Christ in our hearts. The law teaches us what separates us from Christ, and teaches us what to put in our will as we give over our will to satisfy the flesh to satisfying Christ. The law blesses us in many ways.

 

[Guojing]

We all know that we are saved by grace and not of works. But after one is saved does God have any advice for us on how we are to live our lives?

Yes good works should follow salvation, there will be rewards in heaven waiting for us, but the works should be built upon the foundation of Romans to Philemon (1 cor 3:10-15)

 

[Evmur]

Moses was given many commands for us to follow that no longer apply. There is a difference between these commands and the law as Christ tells us of law. And of course we fail of keeping the law. I am not speaking of that failure, I am speaking of our will. If you will to sin you can't be forgiven of sin. God then grants you what you ask for, and it means you ask for sin in your life. You can't will to have sin and will to have Christ.

Christ explains this to us when we are told to repent. What you are speaking of is having forgiveness without repentance, Neither Paul or Christ preached that.

So then we follow Christ not Moses.

 

[Blik]

So then we follow Christ not Moses.

Moses only spoke what God breathed to him. Those commandments Moses gave to Hebrews that we don't need to follow were given by the holy God. sINCE we have the holy spirit to guide us to the laws that reflect the spirit of the Lord. Read the 3rd chapter of Galatians.