Why did the Lord send us the law?

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Blik

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Isaiah 55: 10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but sit shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.

What are the things for which the Lord sent the law?

The verses in Isaiah would indicate that the Lord sent the law to us at creation. That law is based on love, yet if we follow the law legalistically, it does not have love.

We are told that if we did not have sin in us, there would be no need for the law. Sin is in our fleshly nature, so there is need for the law.

In the 23rd Psalm, it speaks of the Lord’s rod and staff, and that rod and staff is the law that guides us to green pastures. The 119th Psalm tells us how wonderful that guidance is for us. Yet in Galatians we are told the law has been cancelled.

We are told to repent of our sins and Christ will wipe us clean of those sins, but we need the law to point out our sins. Christ made this law incapable of causing our eternal death, for through repentance and asking forgiveness the law has no power over us to kill.

What do you think God’s purpose is in giving us the law? Is it cancelled?
 

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Isaiah 55: 10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but sit shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.

What are the things for which the Lord sent the law?

The verses in Isaiah would indicate that the Lord sent the law to us at creation. That law is based on love, yet if we follow the law legalistically, it does not have love.

We are told that if we did not have sin in us, there would be no need for the law. Sin is in our fleshly nature, so there is need for the law.

In the 23rd Psalm, it speaks of the Lord’s rod and staff, and that rod and staff is the law that guides us to green pastures. The 119th Psalm tells us how wonderful that guidance is for us. Yet in Galatians we are told the law has been cancelled.

We are told to repent of our sins and Christ will wipe us clean of those sins, but we need the law to point out our sins. Christ made this law incapable of causing our eternal death, for through repentance and asking forgiveness the law has no power over us to kill.

What do you think God’s purpose is in giving us the law? Is it cancelled?
Mostly the Bible explains itself. "Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers,......" (etc.) 1 Timothy 1:8-11

"So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian." Galatians 3:24 & 25

The law demonstrates that we are incapable of keeping it. It can bring conviction that leads us to accept Christ as Saviour and Lord. Once we have received Christ, the Law has done its job. We are then subject to the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ. The "Law-Giver" becomes the "Law-Keeper" within. The Law given to Moses is external and requires us to conform. The Law of Life is internal and the Lord Jesus both gives and keeps it.
 
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Isaiah 55: 10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but sit shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.

What are the things for which the Lord sent the law?

The verses in Isaiah would indicate that the Lord sent the law to us at creation. That law is based on love, yet if we follow the law legalistically, it does not have love.

We are told that if we did not have sin in us, there would be no need for the law. Sin is in our fleshly nature, so there is need for the law.

In the 23rd Psalm, it speaks of the Lord’s rod and staff, and that rod and staff is the law that guides us to green pastures. The 119th Psalm tells us how wonderful that guidance is for us. Yet in Galatians we are told the law has been cancelled.

We are told to repent of our sins and Christ will wipe us clean of those sins, but we need the law to point out our sins. Christ made this law incapable of causing our eternal death, for through repentance and asking forgiveness the law has no power over us to kill.

What do you think God’s purpose is in giving us the law? Is it cancelled?
You have a strange obsession with putting yourself into the audience of the OT, which, since Genesis 12, is about the nation Israel and Jews.
 

Dino246

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Isaiah 55: 10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but sit shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.

What are the things for which the Lord sent the law?

The verses in Isaiah would indicate that the Lord sent the law to us at creation.
You're conflating the word of God with "the law"; that is not consistent with Scripture. The law is part of the word of God, but not all of it, and the terms are not synonymous.

In the 23rd Psalm, it speaks of the Lord’s rod and staff, and that rod and staff is the law that guides us to green pastures. The 119th Psalm tells us how wonderful that guidance is for us. Yet in Galatians we are told the law has been cancelled.
Colossians, actually, but otherwise correct.
 

Ahwatukee

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Isaiah 55: 10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but sit shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.

What are the things for which the Lord sent the law?

The verses in Isaiah would indicate that the Lord sent the law to us at creation. That law is based on love, yet if we follow the law legalistically, it does not have love.

We are told that if we did not have sin in us, there would be no need for the law. Sin is in our fleshly nature, so there is need for the law.

In the 23rd Psalm, it speaks of the Lord’s rod and staff, and that rod and staff is the law that guides us to green pastures. The 119th Psalm tells us how wonderful that guidance is for us. Yet in Galatians we are told the law has been cancelled.

We are told to repent of our sins and Christ will wipe us clean of those sins, but we need the law to point out our sins. Christ made this law incapable of causing our eternal death, for through repentance and asking forgiveness the law has no power over us to kill.

What do you think God’s purpose is in giving us the law? Is it cancelled?
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Faith or Works of the Law

1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? a 4Have you experienced b so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” c

7Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” d 9So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” e 11Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” f 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” g 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” h 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

The Law and the Promise

15Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” i meaning one person, who is Christ. 17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

Children of God

23Before the coming of this faith, j we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

26So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Blik

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You have a strange obsession with putting yourself into the audience of the OT, which, since Genesis 12, is about the nation Israel and Jews.
Yes, it seems strange to me that most posters do not believe the old testament is truth spoken by God. They see the giving of blood of animals in sacrifice for sin as something that God did not give to man, as if God wasn't God as He told of the sacrificial system. They see the temple as not from God, but something done away with.

Even for those who discount the old testament as scripture giving truth, they are told in the new testament they believe in to look at all scripture yet they don't even believe that verse! 2 Tim. 16 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

When that was written there was no new testament.
 

Blik

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Faith or Works of the Law

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There is no scripture saying that we must choose between working or faith. They are two different subjects, why do you insist one cancels the other? It is an eternal truth that the Lord does not and never has given salvation based on works of the law, that is the only way they relate.

When we are saved through faith, we accept Christ within. It would be impossible to reflect Christ and reflect lawlessness. Works of the law are then part of us or we don't have Christ within.
 
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Yes, it seems strange to me that most posters do not believe the old testament is truth spoken by God. They see the giving of blood of animals in sacrifice for sin as something that God did not give to man, as if God wasn't God as He told of the sacrificial system. They see the temple as not from God, but something done away with.

Even for those who discount the old testament as scripture giving truth, they are told in the new testament they believe in to look at all scripture yet they don't even believe that verse! 2 Tim. 16 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

When that was written there was no new testament.
Gave to Israel and the Jews, not to us.
 

JaumeJ

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Isaiah 55: 10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but sit shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.

What are the things for which the Lord sent the law?

The verses in Isaiah would indicate that the Lord sent the law to us at creation. That law is based on love, yet if we follow the law legalistically, it does not have love.

We are told that if we did not have sin in us, there would be no need for the law. Sin is in our fleshly nature, so there is need for the law.

In the 23rd Psalm, it speaks of the Lord’s rod and staff, and that rod and staff is the law that guides us to green pastures. The 119th Psalm tells us how wonderful that guidance is for us. Yet in Galatians we are told the law has been cancelled.

We are told to repent of our sins and Christ will wipe us clean of those sins, but we need the law to point out our sins. Christ made this law incapable of causing our eternal death, for through repentance and asking forgiveness the law has no power over us to kill.

What do you think God’s purpose is in giving us the law? Is it cancelled?
As pertaining to the teaching, "Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me."

Sheep give a good example as to the meaning of this in that they tend to nuzzle up against the Shepherd's staff. For me this is a great lesson, valuable to all.
 

Blik

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Gave to Israel and the Jews, not to us.
So if that is so, toss out your old testament, it isn't to you it is only to Israel! Is Christ a new God?
 
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So if that is so, toss out your old testament, it isn't to you it is only to Israel! Is Christ a new God?
It is written FOR our learning, to learn the history of God's dealings with Israel.

So why toss it out? So long as you rightly divide the word of truth, recognize that it is not written TO us, nor is it ABOUT us.
 

Blik

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You're conflating the word of God with "the law"; that is not consistent with Scripture. The law is part of the word of God, but not all of it, and the terms are not synonymous.


Colossians, actually, but otherwise correct.
How could the word of God not contain the law, or how could it be the entire word? I think you are confused.
 

Blik

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It is written FOR our learning, to learn the history of God's dealings with Israel.

So why toss it out? So long as you rightly divide the word of truth, recognize that it is not written TO us, nor is it ABOUT us.
So then you are keeping it in your bible, just not believing it has anything to do with you? It is only history to you, not very useful to you.

Many of the Psalms would be such a comfort to you, if you could manage to consider them for you and not just for Israel. I'm sorry for you.
 
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So then you are keeping it in your bible, just not believing it has anything to do with you? It is only history to you, not very useful to you.

Many of the Psalms would be such a comfort to you, if you could manage to consider them for you and not just for Israel. I'm sorry for you.
It is not God's will for you to claim promises that were never directed to you in the first place.

This covid-19 episode has so many churches claiming Psalms 91 for themselves, even when it is meant to be a Tribulation Psalm for Israel.
 

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I believe that the law was made manifest to us for a main reason (like everything he creates). And he has every right to do so because he is God. We may be lucky to be able to be part of God's working will, and its awesome, but before anything else Gkd gave the law ultimately for his glory. You're awesome father I bow to your awesomeness. Take your Glory when you decided its time. You have every right!
 

Blik

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It is not God's will for you to claim promises that were never directed to you in the first place.

This covid-19 episode has so many churches claiming Psalms 91 for themselves, even when it is meant to be a Tribulation Psalm for Israel.
Is there any part of the old testament that you believe is for you? When God created man, did God create Israel, do you think? Is the flood only about Israel? Or do you believe that the old testament is written for you until God created Israel?
 

Blik

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It is not God's will for you to claim promises that were never directed to you in the first place.

This covid-19 episode has so many churches claiming Psalms 91 for themselves, even when it is meant to be a Tribulation Psalm for Israel.
For you the 23rd Psalm reads: The Lord is Israel's shepherd, Israel shall not want. He makes Israel lie down in green pastures, He leads Israel beside the still waters. He restores Israel's soul.

Where in scripture do you find that the Lord speaks only to and for Israel in the old testament, and you are counted out because you are a gentile?
 
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For you the 23rd Psalm reads: The Lord is Israel's shepherd, Israel shall not want. He makes Israel lie down in green pastures, He leads Israel beside the still waters. He restores Israel's soul.

Where in scripture do you find that the Lord speaks only to and for Israel in the old testament, and you are counted out because you are a gentile?
Ephesians 2:11-12 made that pretty clear to me, what our state was during the Old Testament.

without Christ,
being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and
strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope,
and without God in the world
 

JaumeJ

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The Word of God, the Bible, is directed to all who are given to understand.
 

Nehemiah6

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What do you think God’s purpose is in giving us the law? Is it cancelled?
The Law was given to Israel, but Israel failed to obey the Law, and paid dearly for it. Christ came to fulfil the Law, which He did. Then He cancelled it. He abolished it, and replaced with with the New Covenant and the Law of Christ. But you would rather turn to Moses than to Christ, even though Moses told you to turn to Christ. If that is not a display of pure unbelief, then we don't know what is.