Who is the beast that was and is not?

[Truth7t7]

Revelation has to be DECODED, we aren't told ONE DAY & ONE HOUR because it's one day or one hour, we are told those in order for us to be able to understand but the world hearing and seeing can't understand, just like Jesus said to his disciples about why he spoke unto them in parables. So, if Jesus spoke to his disciples in "CODED PARABLES", why don't we understand he did the same in the book of Revelation, which we know is one giant code book?

You are all caught up in ONE HOUR and ONA DAY and even 0NE CITY, while none of that is factual, it's all code. Both the DOTL and the ONE HOUR = 42 months. Babylon = the Whole World just as Rev. 16:19 says it does. It says God gave Great Babylon his WRATH. Well, who got defeated by Jesus in verse 19? The Cities of the Nations. Well, who were they? The 6th Vial tells us they were Kings of the WHOLE WORLD gathered together to try and defeat God. Talk about confused (Babel). no one has ever been this confused, here men try t defeat their own creator !! Satan's Dark Kingdom of Confusion has worked, he has deceived the masses. Babylon falls is followed by Satan in the pit for a 1000 years for a reason. Babylon is Satan's kingdom on earth.



No one said he WAITS to destroy the Beast, you infer that. Jesus returns 75 days after the 7th Trump sounds because the 7th trump is the 3rd Woe, which is the 7 Vials, so ALL SEVEN VIALS have to come to pass, thus Jesus shows up at the 7th Vial. See Rev. 16:19, he is the one that SPLITS the city when he lands then defeats the Cities of the Nations. (The Whole World). What you don't get is Rev. 11 is not about the End Time Plagues per se, its about the 1260 day ministry of the Two-witnesses. Thus when they die 75 days before Jesus' return, their ministry on earth is over, BUT...........we are told what their last prayer brings down, the 7th Trump which is the 3rd Woe, that is why we get this verse.

Rev. 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

You are taking an ANNOUNCEMENT and wrongly saying it has already come to pass, it has not, they are announcing that the 3rd Woe will culminate in VICTORY by Jesus/God. Thus the 3rd Woe comes quickly moniker. THEN VICTORY.

Which happens HERE!!

Rev. 16:19 And the great city(Jerusalem) was divided into three parts(Earthquake splits city), and the cities of the nations fell(All the KIngs/Nations that gathered against God FALLS): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.(God calls the Kings of the WHOLE WORLD Babylon the Great: see Rev. 16:14 the 6th VIAL)

As per the numbers in Daniel, they do belong in the end time good sir, you just do not understand them it seems. Dan. 12':1 clearly points to WHEN Micheal stands up AND when the Saints are raised and Judged at the very end. Micheal stands up in Rev. 12 at the 1260 event sir.


No, you just clearly do not get the Chronological order of the Book of Revelation (BoR). You do not understand that Rev. 11 is a Parenthetical Citation chapter. You do not understand that Rev. 11s 7th Trump, Rev. 14:17-20, Rev. 16:19 and Rev. 19s Marriage Supper Event are all four the EXACT SAME EVENT being spoken about. Only Rev. 16 fits the Chronological order, the rest are Parenthetical Citations being retold in other ways because the chapters are about other things going on. For instance:

Rev. 11 is about the Two-witnesses 42-month ministry on earth. Rev. 14 is about all three Harvests, the Jews on earth are rescued by Jesus in verse 1, but they repented 42 months earlier, before Jesus returns, or should I say 1335 days before Jesus' return. Then in verse 14, we see a FLASHBACK to the Pre Trib Rapture, where Jesus himself plunges in the Sickle to reap the Harvest. Then in verses 17-20 we see an Angel plunges in the Sickle and the Wicked are thus Harvested (the die) and thus will be bound into bundles and burned in 1000 years at the Second Resurrection, of the wicked.

Rev. 19 is about the Marriage Supper after the Bride has returned with Jesus on White Horses as conquerors. Thus the eagle will be where the carcass is at via Matt. 24:28 matches with the birds in Rev. 19 devouring the kings etc. The Marriage Supper is a celebration of WICKEDNESS being DEFEATED, Amen.

Only Rev. 16:19 is THE ACTUAL VICTORY by Jesus Christ.

You only say they are poured on the same day because you take the words TOO LITERAL in Rev. 11 where it states they have victory via the 7th vial. And in Rev 18 where it says Judgment comes in ONE DAY and in ONE HOUR. Let me ask you then do the Kings serve ONE HOUR with the Beast also? Or does that actually mean 42 months? (SEE BELOW)

Rev. 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. (Which of course means 42 months, just like the ONE DAY & ONE HOUR both mean in Rev. 18). The coming Day of the Lord = 42 months and the ONE HOUR = 42 months also. God ENCODED it where only we could understand it by deciphering the codes).

The book of Revelation is a code book?

Jesus spoke to his disciples in (CODED PARABLES)?

2 Peter 1:20KJV
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

 

[Rondonmon]

The book of Revelation is a code book?

Jesus spoke to his disciples in (CODED PARABLES)?

2 Peter 1:20KJV
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Dude you might as well stop replying to me, I don't converse with people who are wrong on everything about the Bible. It's a waste of both of our time tbh. I don't mind teaching people who don't know, I may spend hours on mundane facts, but I refuse to discuss things with people who don't know but think they do. God Bless.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

John refers to the second beast as the false prophet so you have no reason to disagree.

Where?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The first beast is an empire composed of ten smaller kingdoms existing upon 7 areas of land.

You are saying the 10 horns means ten smaller kingdoms.
What then are the ten diadems on the 10 horns?

You are saying 7 heads means 7 areas of land.
What then are the seven blasphemous names on the 7 heads?

 

[ewq1938]

Rev. 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day(Day of the Lord BRINGS these Plagues and it lasts 42 Months)

The second coming is not 42 months long. The plagues come from the vials and they are poured the same day Christ returns.

 

[ewq1938]

Where?

The second beast is a person called the false prophet. This is easy to know because the second beast performs miracles in front of the first beast and later in Rev it is said that it is the false prophet which was the one performing those miracles:

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.



Here we read of the second beast, who performs miracles in the sight of the first beast and performing those miracles in order to deceive the people!


1: Second beast performs miracles before the first beast.
2: Performs these miracles to deceive the people.



Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.



Here we see that the false prophet performed miracles before the beast in order to deceive people and cause them to worship that same beast.



1: False prophet performs miracles before the beast.
2: Performs these to deceive people.


So to sum up what we have found:


1: Second beast, also called the false prophet, performs miracles before the first beast.
2: Performs these miracles to deceive the people.


Therefore, the second beast is a person who is called the false prophet, the one responsible for performing miracles designed to deceive people and cause them to worship the first beast.

 

[Truth7t7]

The second coming is not 42 months long. The plagues come from the vials and they are poured the same day Christ returns.

I disagree with your claim the 7 vials come all at once, verse 8 below shows 1/4 of the earth will be killed, and some will die of "Hunger", dies this come in one day?

Revelation 6:7-8KJV
7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 

[ewq1938]

You are saying the 10 horns means ten smaller kingdoms.
What then are the ten diadems on the 10 horns?

Those are the crowns of the ten kings of those ten kingdoms.

You are saying 7 heads means 7 areas of land.
What then are the seven blasphemous names on the 7 heads?

I think it's actually one name on the 7 mountains. Likely is the name of the AC.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Rev_14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Rev_15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The second beast is a person called the false prophet. This is easy to know because the second beast performs miracles in front of the first beast and later in Rev it is said that it is the false prophet which was the one performing those miracles:

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.



Here we read of the second beast, who performs miracles in the sight of the first beast and performing those miracles in order to deceive the people!


1: Second beast performs miracles before the first beast.
2: Performs these miracles to deceive the people.



Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.



Here we see that the false prophet performed miracles before the beast in order to deceive people and cause them to worship that same beast.



1: False prophet performs miracles before the beast.
2: Performs these to deceive people.


So to sum up what we have found:


1: Second beast, also called the false prophet, performs miracles before the first beast.
2: Performs these miracles to deceive the people.


Therefore, the second beast is a person who is called the false prophet, the one responsible for performing miracles designed to deceive people and cause them to worship the first beast.

Rev 16
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles,

Is the dragon a man? No the dragon is a demon, Satan.
are the three unclean spirits men? No they are demon spirits.
In Rev 16:14 we see the spirits of demons working miracles.

These things indicate that the beast and false prophet are also demonic powers/demonic spirits. Hence why they will be thrown alive into the LOF.

You see in John 16:10-11 "concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father , and you will see me no longer; concerning judgement, because the ruler of this world is judged."

Satan and his demons have already been judged. This is why they can and will be thrown alive into the LOF.

But for humans, men, they have not yet been judged. Thus Hebrews 9:27 "and just as it is appointed for man to die once, and then face judgement." This is decribed in Rev 20:11 onward.

Therefore humans must die once and then face judgement before being thrown into the LOF.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Those are the crowns of the ten kings of those ten kingdoms.

You don't have an explanation for the ten diadems.

Their are 10 horns in Rev 17. These are ten kings (a king is ruler over a kingdom).
Their are 10 horns with 10 diadems in Rev 13. You are saying this means the same thing.
But then why the added information of 10 diadems if it is meaningless?

There is more significance for the 10 diadems, but you don't have it.

 

[ewq1938]

You don't have an explanation for the ten diadems.

Their are 10 horns in Rev 17. These are ten kings (a king is ruler over a kingdom).
Their are 10 horns with 10 diadems in Rev 13. You are saying this means the same thing.
But then why the added information of 10 diadems if it is meaningless?

It's a crown. A crown symbolizes power and authority. There is no other meaning. Same meaning here:


Rev_14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.


Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

This is when they are given their crowns to symbolize this new power given to them as kings within the beast empire.

There is more significance for the 10 diadems, but you don't have it.

No, there is not more significance.

 

[Rondonmon]

The second coming is not 42 months long. The plagues come from the vials and they are poured the same day Christ returns.

Who said it is? The Day of the Lord AND the Anti-Christs rule is42 mo this, the Second Coming happens at the 7th Vial, wich ends the 3rd Woe, which is......."STARTED"........by the 7th Trump.

Rev. 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

So, the LAST THREE TRUMPS are the last three Woes !!

Trump #1 lasts for 5 months, it says so. The First four Trumps are ONE EVENT, the Asteroid Impact brings in fire (Trump #1) ahead of the Impact, then we get the IMPACT (Trump #2) and the Nuclear Fallout (Trump #3) or Wormwood, then we get the skies bei ng Darkened by all te smoke and debris (Trump #4).

So, we have ONE Asteroid Impact, followed by ONE Woe that lasts 5 months, followed by the 2nd Woe where an Angelic Army slays 1/3 of all the wicked men who have taken the Mark of the Beast, followed by the 3rd Woe where Seven Vials of Judgment are brought forth, with te Last Vial being Jesus Christ returning to earth to take control and to bind Satan's power.

Those four things happen over a 3.5 year period of time. NONE of those things happen in one day.

Rev. 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

The First Woe lasts for 5 months. The 2nd Woe is where Angels slay about 2 billion wicked men, that will take some time, and the last or3rd Woe has 7 phases unto it, you don't seem to get that at all.

 

[ewq1938]

Who said it is? The Day of the Lord AND the Anti-Christs rule is42 mo this, the Second Coming happens at the 7th Vial, wich ends the 3rd Woe, which is......."STARTED"........by the 7th Trump.

No vial ends a trumpet. The trumpet sounds and that's when it's done. The trumpet signals an action or series of actions to begin.

The pouring of all the vials is some of what the 7th trump caused to happen but the trumpet itself was done after it made the sound intended.

Rev. 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

So, the LAST THREE TRUMPS are the last three Woes !!

Why do you keep saying that when everyone already knows that? That fact is irrelevant to this discussion. Do you want me to keep telling you Revelation is the last book of the bible over and over like it's something no one understands?

Last Vial being Jesus Christ returning to earth to take control and to bind Satan's power.

This is still wrong. Jesus returns when the 7th trump sounds. Then all the vials are poured in order. Jesus came back BEFORE the first vial is poured.

NONE of those things happen in one day.

No one has said differently. I said all the vials are poured in one day, the same one day Babylon received her plagues and destruction. Revelation is the LAST book in the bible. Anyone that believes differently is WRONG.




Rev. 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

The First Woe lasts for 5 months. The 2nd Woe is where Angels slay about 2 billion wicked men, that will take some time, and the last or3rd Woe has 7 phases unto it, you don't seem to get that at all.

We aren't discussing that. Everyone knows the first woe is 5 months. Did you know the book of Revelation is the LAST book in the bible? Don't believe me? Just go look for yourself!

 

[Rondonmon]

Rev 16
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles,

Is the dragon a man? No the dragon is a demon, Satan.
are the three unclean spirits men? No they are demon spirits.
In

These things indicate that the beast and false prophet are also demonic powers/demonic spirits. Hence why they will be thrown alive into the LOF.

Rev 16:14 we see the spirits of demons working miracles.

Yes, the Beast and False Prophet are men who have unclean spirits living in the, hence they are possessed, men filled with a demonic spiritual entity. The dragon is indeed Satan of course.
They will be killed, just as Dan. 7:11 says. Here people take THE ALIVE as meaning alive in the flesh, but this is speaking about how they will be judged straight away, unlike all the other wicked people who are bundled into the grave and judged 1000 years lateral te Second Resurrection of the wicked. In truth, we have immortal spirits that never die. This, these two will be judged and cast straight into hell, never being allowed to rest in the grave like all other men.

The Bible never contradicts itself, it is us who misconstrue what God is saying, other by bad translations, or bad assumptions.

Dan. 7:11 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

So, did Gabriel lie to Daniel or did we misinterpret Rev. 19:20? I think the latter. All men must be JUDGED after they die, the holy word says this. Daniel says the Beast dies. We know the Wicked are resurrected and Judged in 1000 years, so these two are DIFFERENT, they are never allowed to rest, they are cast ALIVE as in a Spiritual State they are never allowed to sleep in the grave. That is the only verbiage that fits, that way Gabriel is telling us the truth and so is Jesus in Rev. 19, Our Spirits NEVER DIE, so our Spirits must be alive while we are judged, we must face God and understand the consequences of our sins, and of Jesus SAcrifice for our sins. So, they will never be allowed to rest, thus Spiritually, they are cast ALIVE into hell, but only after they have been killed, see Dan. 7:11.

You don't have an explanation for the ten diadems.

Their are 10 horns in Rev 17. These are ten kings (a king is ruler over a kingdom).
Their are 10 horns with 10 diadems in Rev 13. You are saying this means the same thing.
But then why the added information of 10 diadems if it is meaningless?

There is more significance for the 10 diadems, but you don't have it.

The Number 10 means COMPLETENESS via God just like 12 means FULNESS. The number 7 also means COMPLETENESS and overrides 10 when used together. 6 Means mankind 3 means Godly etc, etc.

Examples = Rev. 2:10, the Church of Smyrna was told they were going to have TRIBULATION 10 days, but that = the WHOLE Church Age or complete 2000 some odd year Church Age. The 10 Commandments are a STAND IN for God's Complete Law. In Rev. chapter 7 the 144,000 doesn't mean 144,000, it is an ENCODED NUMBER. 12 (FULNESS) x 12 x 10 (COMPLETENESS) X 10 X 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repent, and we see in Zechariah 13:8-9 that 1.3 of the Jews repent, thus the 1/3 will represent 3-5 million Jews fleeing Judea, the 144,000 is a STAND IN ENCODED number, of course.

Taking all that into account, taking in Daniel 2s 10 toes and Daniel 7s 10 horns, one starts to see the true nature of what the 10 actually mean's, its a STAND IN for All Europe as DIVIDED over the 2000 some odd year Church Age where Israel was basically as Dead Men's Bones and thus not a Nation, that is until 1948. NOTICE, the Council of Rome formed in the 50s !!

So let's go over the 10. We know about the Head of Gold (Babylon) Chest of Silver (Persia) and the Belly/Thighs of Brass (Greece).

Dan. 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

The above is saying this, Rome will be the Strongest Beast of them all as per the Mediterranean Sea Region, the conquer every square inch of the coastline. But this kingdom becomes DIVIDED over time and as hard as they try via Royal Marriage (Mingling the SEED of men) they can not seem to reunite Europe. Charlemagne tried and ailed via wars, as did Napolean, and Hitler. Only once Israel was REBORN was the 10 (the number 10 means the COMPLETE NUMER THEREOF, whatsoever that be at any given time) or All of Divided Europe, was allowed to finally REFORM via the Council of Rome in the 1950s.

So, the 10 stands for ALL EUROPE, however many nations that is at any given time. Thus the 10 in the 1500s might have been 15 nations, and today it might be 27 or 26 minus the UK. This is why the Little Horn ARISES AMONGST the 10, it simply means he is born in Europe. Thus by putting it all together we know his bloodline, his birthplace, and his Kingdom. Hes an Assyrian (Turk) by bloodline as Isaiah 10 says, hes born in Greece as Dan. 8:9 proves, he can be born nowhere else. And finally, he comes to power out of the Fourth Beast (Divided Europe or the 10 that REUNITES during the End Times).

The Church delivered the MORTAL WOUND. As soon as we are Raptured the Beast will be allowed to ARISE again.

 

[Rondonmon]

No vial ends a trumpet. The trumpet sounds and that's when it's done. The trumpet signals an action or series of actions to begin.

The pouring of all the vials is some of what the 7th trump caused to happen but the trumpet itself was done after it made the sound intended.

You simply do not understand the book of Revelation.

Why do you keep saying that when everyone already knows that? That fact is irrelevant to this discussion. Do you want me to keep telling you Revelation is the last book of the bible over and over like it's something no one understands?

Evidently, YOU DON'T, because you do not understand the 7th Trump, doesn't END until the 7th Vial is poured out, and Jesus returns. He doesn't return when the 7th Trump is blown per se.

This is still wrong. Jesus returns when the 7th trump sounds. Then all the vials are poured in order. Jesus came back BEFORE the first vial is poured.

Jesus returns at the 7th Vial. Which ends the 3rd Woe, which is begun by the 7th Trump.

We aren't discussing that. Everyone knows the first woe is 5 months. Did you know the book of Revelation is the LAST book in the bible? Don't believe me? Just go look for yourself!

You have no clue via the timing of the book of Revelation your obfuscation will not deter me from calling that to attention sir.

 

[Truth7t7]

These things indicate that the beast and false prophet are also demonic powers/demonic spirits. Hence why they will be thrown alive into the LOF.

Satan and his demons have already been judged. This is why they can and will be thrown alive into the LOF.

Hence

Your claim that (The Beast) in Revelation 13 is a demon spirit is false, Daniel clearly explains that (The Beast/Little Horn) has a human body that will be given to the burning flame, in perfect agreement with Revelation 19:20

Daniel 7:11KJV
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Truth7t7]

You simply do not understand the book of Revelation.

Evidently, YOU DON'T, because you do not understand the 7th Trump, doesn't END until the 7th Vial is poured out, and Jesus returns. He doesn't return when the 7th Trump is blown per se.


Jesus returns at the 7th Vial. Which ends the 3rd Woe, which is begun by the 7th Trump.


You have no clue via the timing of the book of Revelation your obfuscation will not deter me from calling that to attention sir.

I agree, the 7th vial and 7th Trump take place at the same time, and are parallel teachings of the same event

 

[ewq1938]

You simply do not understand the book of Revelation.

I understand it much more than you do.

Evidently, YOU DON'T, because you do not understand the 7th Trump, doesn't END until the 7th Vial is poured out, and Jesus returns. He doesn't return when the 7th Trump is blown per se.

You are wrong twice here. Everyone knows Christ comes at the 7th trump not the 7th vial. Literally 99 percent of Christians understand that correctly.

Jesus returns at the 7th Vial.

Nope.

You have no clue via the timing of the book of Revelation your obfuscation will not deter me from calling that to attention sir.

You only are calling attention to your own lack of understand regarding the book of Revelation. This is likely caused by the SDA denomination you belong to. In general they get a lot of things right. I have attended a local SDA church and even befriended the Pastor there until he moved out of Statement of Purpose for work BUT SDA's also get a lot of things badly wrong.

 

[Truth7t7]

I understand it much more than you do.



You are wrong twice here. Everyone knows Christ comes at the 7th trump not the 7th vial. Literally 99 percent of Christians understand that correctly.



Nope.





You only are calling attention to your own lack of understand regarding the book of Revelation. This is likely caused by the SDA denomination you belong to. In general they get a lot of things right. I have attended a local SDA church and even befriended the Pastor there until he moved out of Statement of Purpose for work BUT SDA's also get a lot of things badly wrong.

The 7th Vial & 7th Trump are the same event in parallel teachings, same voices, lightning, thunder, earthquake

Revelation 11:15-19KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 16:15-17KJV
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

 

[Rondonmon]

You only are calling attention to your own lack of understand regarding the book of Revelation. This is likely caused by the SDA denomination you belong to. In general they get a lot of things right. I have attended a local SDA church and even befriended the Pastor there until he moved out of Statement of Purpose for work BUT SDA's also get a lot of things badly wrong.

You might want to quit fibbing sir, I am not an SDA. Until you know what a person is or sin;t it might be best to stay silent on the issue. What I do know is you are not up to speed on the BoR. You can't understand its coded language at all.

I understand it much more than you do.

If I put it down in writing you would quickly understand you are lacking much.

You are wrong twice here. Everyone knows Christ comes at the 7th trump not the 7th vial. Literally 99 percent of Christians understand that correctly.

It's hopeless it seems.