Who is the beast that was and is not?

[Truth7t7]

Your agreeing or disagreeing is irrelevant as pertaining to the facts.


AND................What does that have to do when they SHOW UP and when they DIE? Nothing, common sense, and SIMPLE MATH tells us if both have 1260 day offices, and one DIES before the other one DIES then in order to have 1260 day offices, the one who DUED FORST would have to AHOW P FIRST. This is simple math man. So, the Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe and the Beast dies at the 7th Vial and you do not understand their timelines are not perfectly parallel? I can't help you if you cant add simple math brother.


AGAIN........One dies before the other..........which means in order to have 1260 day OFFICES one has to SHOW UP before the other.


Incorrect. The 1290 is 1290 days before the Second Coming and the Anti-Christ becomes TE BEAST on day 1260, which is 1260 days before the Second Coming. The Second Beast does show up AFTER the First Beast but WHAT is a Beast? One who has POWER over these Mediterranean Sea Region Nations, thus the Anti-Christ is not a Beast while he is the E.U. President until he Conquers Jerusalem and the MANY Nations in the Region. But he is STILL the E.U. President BEFORE hes the Beast, likewise the Beast or FIRST BEAST places the False Prophet over ALL RELIGION (that's why they kill off the Harlot False Religions this time) and thus he BEASTS over Religion as the 2nd Beast, so he doesn't;t become THE 2ND Beast until after the 1st Beast appoints him, BUT.........Hes already the Jewish High Priest BEFORE THAT, just like the Anti-Christ is the E.U. President BEFORE hes the Beast.

So, the False Prophet takes actions in Jerusalem BEFORE the Anti-Conquers Jerusalem at the 1260, he FORBIDS Jesus Worship or takes away THE SACRIFICE at the 1290, or 1290 days before the Second Coming. Their TIMING as per bein Beasts is nit relevant to te other actions per se, they were just done before they held the title of BEASTS.



AGAIN if one dies before the other they have to show up before the other. Its the whole reason Gd mandated 1260 day offices. Once again, its very simple math.



There are no Birth Pangs in Revelation the Birth Pangs birthed the 70th-week baby. You don't get birth pangs when the baby is born already. Matthew 24:4-14 has zero to do with the 70th week.



The Rapture happens pre trib, the Jewish Saints AND the Martyrs during the 70th week will be raised after the 2nd Coming, the Wicked will be judged 1000 years later after the 1000 year reign of Jesus in Jerusalem. This earth will eventually be HELL !! Satan will win his ultimate prize.


I am not going to debate sim0le math, you are in error here.

Your claim that one dies before othe other is false, the two witnesses 1260 days is exactly the same time frame if the Antichrist 42 months, and the two witnesses will be present on earth against the antichrist his entire time, to the very end in the second coming.

 

[Truth7t7]

Your agreeing or disagreeing is irrelevant as pertaining to the facts.


AND................What does that have to do when they SHOW UP and when they DIE? Nothing, common sense, and SIMPLE MATH tells us if both have 1260 day offices, and one DIES before the other one DIES then in order to have 1260 day offices, the one who DUED FORST would have to AHOW P FIRST. This is simple math man. So, the Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe and the Beast dies at the 7th Vial and you do not understand their timelines are not perfectly parallel? I can't help you if you cant add simple math brother.


AGAIN........One dies before the other..........which means in order to have 1260 day OFFICES one has to SHOW UP before the other.


Incorrect. The 1290 is 1290 days before the Second Coming and the Anti-Christ becomes TE BEAST on day 1260, which is 1260 days before the Second Coming. The Second Beast does show up AFTER the First Beast but WHAT is a Beast? One who has POWER over these Mediterranean Sea Region Nations, thus the Anti-Christ is not a Beast while he is the E.U. President until he Conquers Jerusalem and the MANY Nations in the Region. But he is STILL the E.U. President BEFORE hes the Beast, likewise the Beast or FIRST BEAST places the False Prophet over ALL RELIGION (that's why they kill off the Harlot False Religions this time) and thus he BEASTS over Religion as the 2nd Beast, so he doesn't;t become THE 2ND Beast until after the 1st Beast appoints him, BUT.........Hes already the Jewish High Priest BEFORE THAT, just like the Anti-Christ is the E.U. President BEFORE hes the Beast.

So, the False Prophet takes actions in Jerusalem BEFORE the Anti-Conquers Jerusalem at the 1260, he FORBIDS Jesus Worship or takes away THE SACRIFICE at the 1290, or 1290 days before the Second Coming. Their TIMING as per bein Beasts is nit relevant to te other actions per se, they were just done before they held the title of BEASTS.



AGAIN if one dies before the other they have to show up before the other. Its the whole reason Gd mandated 1260 day offices. Once again, its very simple math.



There are no Birth Pangs in Revelation the Birth Pangs birthed the 70th-week baby. You don't get birth pangs when the baby is born already. Matthew 24:4-14 has zero to do with the 70th week.



The Rapture happens pre trib, the Jewish Saints AND the Martyrs during the 70th week will be raised after the 2nd Coming, the Wicked will be judged 1000 years later after the 1000 year reign of Jesus in Jerusalem. This earth will eventually be HELL !! Satan will win his ultimate prize.


I am not going to debate sim0le math, you are in error here.

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture as you claim, a fairy tale of John N. Darby & Promoted by Adulterer C.I. Scofield in his 1909 reference bible

 

[Truth7t7]

Your agreeing or disagreeing is irrelevant as pertaining to the facts.


AND................What does that have to do when they SHOW UP and when they DIE? Nothing, common sense, and SIMPLE MATH tells us if both have 1260 day offices, and one DIES before the other one DIES then in order to have 1260 day offices, the one who DUED FORST would have to AHOW P FIRST. This is simple math man. So, the Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe and the Beast dies at the 7th Vial and you do not understand their timelines are not perfectly parallel? I can't help you if you cant add simple math brother.


AGAIN........One dies before the other..........which means in order to have 1260 day OFFICES one has to SHOW UP before the other.


Incorrect. The 1290 is 1290 days before the Second Coming and the Anti-Christ becomes TE BEAST on day 1260, which is 1260 days before the Second Coming. The Second Beast does show up AFTER the First Beast but WHAT is a Beast? One who has POWER over these Mediterranean Sea Region Nations, thus the Anti-Christ is not a Beast while he is the E.U. President until he Conquers Jerusalem and the MANY Nations in the Region. But he is STILL the E.U. President BEFORE hes the Beast, likewise the Beast or FIRST BEAST places the False Prophet over ALL RELIGION (that's why they kill off the Harlot False Religions this time) and thus he BEASTS over Religion as the 2nd Beast, so he doesn't;t become THE 2ND Beast until after the 1st Beast appoints him, BUT.........Hes already the Jewish High Priest BEFORE THAT, just like the Anti-Christ is the E.U. President BEFORE hes the Beast.

So, the False Prophet takes actions in Jerusalem BEFORE the Anti-Conquers Jerusalem at the 1260, he FORBIDS Jesus Worship or takes away THE SACRIFICE at the 1290, or 1290 days before the Second Coming. Their TIMING as per bein Beasts is nit relevant to te other actions per se, they were just done before they held the title of BEASTS.



AGAIN if one dies before the other they have to show up before the other. Its the whole reason Gd mandated 1260 day offices. Once again, its very simple math.



There are no Birth Pangs in Revelation the Birth Pangs birthed the 70th-week baby. You don't get birth pangs when the baby is born already. Matthew 24:4-14 has zero to do with the 70th week.



The Rapture happens pre trib, the Jewish Saints AND the Martyrs during the 70th week will be raised after the 2nd Coming, the Wicked will be judged 1000 years later after the 1000 year reign of Jesus in Jerusalem. This earth will eventually be HELL !! Satan will win his ultimate prize.


I am not going to debate sim0le math, you are in error here.

There won't be a Millennial Kingdom in Jerusalem on this Earth as you claim, Jesus Christ returns in fire and Final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth (By Fire)

Jesus Is Gonna Redeem The Earth, By (Fire)!

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Your agreeing or disagreeing is irrelevant as pertaining to the facts.


AND................What does that have to do when they SHOW UP and when they DIE? Nothing, common sense, and SIMPLE MATH tells us if both have 1260 day offices, and one DIES before the other one DIES then in order to have 1260 day offices, the one who DUED FORST would have to AHOW P FIRST. This is simple math man. So, the Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe and the Beast dies at the 7th Vial and you do not understand their timelines are not perfectly parallel? I can't help you if you cant add simple math brother.


AGAIN........One dies before the other..........which means in order to have 1260 day OFFICES one has to SHOW UP before the other.

Well, I'm using scriptural facts in what I have been explaining. So, my disagreeing with you is based on that.

Rondonmon, both the first beast/antichrist and the second beast/false prophet die at the same time:

"But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur."

Since they are both alive when they are thrown into the lake of fire when Jesus returns, then they both occupy that same 1260 days until the Lord returns.

[quoteIncorrect. The 1290 is 1290 days before the Second Coming and the Anti-Christ becomes TE BEAST on day 1260, which is 1260 days before the Second Coming. The Second Beast does show up AFTER the First Beast but WHAT is a Beast? One who has POWER over these Mediterranean Sea Region Nations, thus the Anti-Christ is not a Beast while he is the E.U. President until he Conquers Jerusalem and the MANY Nations in the Region. But he is STILL the E.U. President BEFORE hes the Beast, likewise the Beast or FIRST BEAST places the False Prophet over ALL RELIGION (that's why they kill off the Harlot False Religions this time) and thus he BEASTS over Religion as the 2nd Beast, so he doesn't;t become THE 2ND Beast until after the 1st Beast appoints him, BUT.........Hes already the Jewish High Priest BEFORE THAT, just like the Anti-Christ is the E.U. President BEFORE hes the Beast.[/quote]

Much of the information that you mention above is conjecture. As I said in a previous post, the seven years of Daniel 9:27 is divide up into two 1260 day periods, which is 3 1/2 years. The 1260 days is the last 3 1/2 years of the seven period. Both the antichrist/beast and the second beast/false prophet occupy that last 3 1/2 years. For as previously stated, when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, they are both captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. I don't have to debate this, since this is exactly what Rev.19:20 says. And the fact that they are thrown alive into the lake of fire, demonstrates that they are individual persons, revealed by the words "the two of them." Also, your claim that the false prophet is the Jewish high Priest is also conjecture. The false prophet will be associated with the prostitute, Mystery, Babylon the great, who will be the head of the RCC, a future pope. It is not Judaism that the people of the world consider as the church, but Roman Catholicism. True, both Judaism and the counterfeit church of Rome will both play parts in the last days, but it is the city that ruled over the kings of the earth and which sits on seven hills, both pointing to Rome and its counterfeit church, who the false prophet will be associated with.

It will be the counterfeit church of Roman Catholicism, the prostitute, who will be destroyed by the beast and the ten kings sometime during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year tribulation period. Israel, on the other hand, is the woman of Rev.12 who will flee out into the wilderness and be cared for by God once that abomination is set up during that last 1260 days.

However, you seem to be solid on what you believe and I am certain of what I believe. So this is one of those times that we can agree to disagree.

 

[Rondonmon]

One error here is thinking the beast dies immediately when it's 1260 days/42 months is over. That's incorrect.

The 2W 1260 days and the beast's 42 months starts at basically the same time While the two prophets will die when their 1260 days is up, the beast simply loses the ability to rule the world after 42 months. The beast still controls an army through deception past the 42 months.

It is incorrect to think the 1260 days for the 2W starts and ends and then a new period of 42 months starts for the beast.

It's not a "NEW PERIOD" that's just they way you have come t think, that both cover the exact same time period, they don't. The Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the Day of the Lord, which tells you they show up BEFORE the 1260 which starts the Day of the Lord. What you have to overcome is the things you were taught that was just not factual. Like I was taught there was 144,000 Super Preachers,its bogus nowhere does the Bible teach this, it's an Old Wives Tale so to speak. The 144,000 is a just metaphorical number that means ALL or the Complete number of Jews who repent as in 12 = fullness and 10 = completeness thus 12 (fullness) x 12 x 10 (completeness) x 10 x 10 = ALL ISRAEL or the 1/3 of the Jews who repent as Zechariah 13:8-9 says.

 

[Truth7t7]

It's not a "NEW PERIOD" that's just they way you have come t think, that both cover the exact same time period, they don't. The Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the Day of the Lord, which tells you they show up BEFORE the 1260 which starts the Day of the Lord. What you have to overcome is the things you were taught that was just not factual. Like I was taught there was 144,000 Super Preachers,its bogus nowhere does the Bible teach this, it's an Old Wives Tale so to speak. The 144,000 is a just metaphorical number that means ALL or the Complete number of Jews who repent as in 12 = fullness and 10 = completeness thus 12 (fullness) x 12 x 10 (completeness) x 10 x 10 = ALL ISRAEL or the 1/3 of the Jews who repent as Zechariah 13:8-9 says.

The Two Witnesses will be present on earth the same time as the Antichrist is seated, they arent separate as you times as you claim

The two Witnesses bring the plagues seen in the vials Rev 16:1-11 upon (The Beast) and world, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

 

[Rondonmon]

Well, I'm using scriptural facts in what I have been explaining. So, my disagreeing with you is based on that.

I think this was to truth 7t7 but we can go with it.

Rondonmon, both the first beast/antichrist and the second beast/false prophet die at the same time:

That's true, but we were speaking about the Beasts 1260 day rule via his 1260 coronated office as appointed by God, juxtaposed against the Two-witnesses 1260 day timeline. The Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, the Beast dies when Jesus returns at the 7th Vial. I am sure you agree with that once you understand who we were discussing. This is why the Two-witnesses have to show up BEFORE the coming dreadful DOTL.

Since they are both alive when they are thrown into the lake of fire when Jesus returns, then they both occupy that same 1260 days until the Lord returns.

We are basically in agreement here except the 2nd Beast has no appointed time pe se, so the 1st Beast may appoint him 20 days into his 1260 day reign for all I know, but they do both die on the same day, we agree there.

Much of the information that you mention above is conjecture. As I said in a previous post, the seven years of Daniel 9:27 is divide up into two 1260 day periods, which is 3 1/2 years. The 1260 days is the last 3 1/2 years of the seven period. Both the antichrist/beast and the second beast/false prophet occupy that last 3 1/2 years. For as previously stated, when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, they are both captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. I don't have to debate this, since this is exactly what Rev.19:20 says. And the fact that they are thrown alive into the lake of fire, demonstrates that they are individual persons, revealed by the words "the two of them."

Once again, the discussion was about the Two-witnesses timeline vs. the east timeline, not about the False Prophet and the Anti-Christs timeline. I just wanted to make sure we got that issue straightened out once and for all where we can right track everything else. The Holy Spirit doesn't give us conjecture, its me being given an understanding you haven't been given, but when it's of the Holy Spirit, it should be picked up on by those with the Holy Spirit in them, except too many people allow old men's traditions to take root and God can't show them what He desires to in many cases. It is what it is brother.

I stopped where I stopped to point out to you how God has taught me to overcome these errors we have come upon. The False Prophet and Anti-Christ Beast are not cast Alive into hell, they are killed and then cast into hell. You see we have a CONFLICT, Daniel 7:11 is VERY, VERY CLEAR, it says the Beast's BODY is DESTROYED and then he is cast into hell. So, what gives? IsDaniel 7:11 correct or is Rev. 19:20 correct, OR...........are both correct and we simply do not think things through, because God is never wrong, and Gabriel gave Daniel Dan. 7:11 nd Jesus gave John Rev. 19:20, so my guess was BOTH were correct and we were misinterpreting what was meant. Dan. 7:11 is fairly straightforward, it says the Beasts body is DESTROYED. So, I take that as he is killed. So, how come I think Rev. 19:20 doesn't mean they are cast alive "PHYSICALLY" into hell? Because, Dan. 7:11 says they are killed, and thus this has to be talking about SPRITUAL LIFE, in other words, all the rest of the Wicked will rest in their graves for 1000 years and then be judged, but not these two, they will never be allowed to rest in a Grave, they are cast ALIVE as soon as they die, and never allowed to rest, whilst the rest of the wicked get to rest 1000 years. This also jibes with other scriptures, ALL MEN must die and be Judged. So, they are cast ALIVE refers to their Spirits which never die, as soon as the Beasts BODY is destroyed they are Judged and cast into hellfire. This way Gabriel is right and Jesus is right. It's us who demand that they are ALIVE PHYSICALLY when cast into Hell. But t cant be that way, both verses can't be correct unless it is as I stated. We agree, they are TWO INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE.

Also, your claim that the false prophet is the Jewish high Priest is also conjecture. The false prophet will be associated with the prostitute, Mystery, Babylon the great, who will be the head of the RCC, a future pope. It is not Judaism that the people of the world consider as the church, but Roman Catholicism. True, both Judaism and the counterfeit church of Rome will both play parts in the last days, but it is the city that ruled over the kings of the earth and which sits on seven hills, both pointing to Rome and its counterfeit church, who the false prophet will be associated with.

Your RCC stuff is all fallacy brother. It is Satan's Deception, just like the Islamic Anti-Christ is DECEPTION. He is head faking both ways and the truth is that who the Beast is very clear to me, and its very clear in the Bible, hes an E.U. King/President that ARISES amongst the 10 (which doesn't mean 10 it means ALL the Divided Nations that make of Europe or the OLd Fourth Beast, God uses 10 to stand in for Completeness). The False Prophet has nothing to do with the RCC and there is no Mystery Babylon, it goes like this......

MYSTERY
1.) Babylon the Great
2.) Mother of Harlots
3.) Abominations of the Earth

Rev. 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

So, since the Angel EXPLAINED it why do we call it a Mystery? The MYSTERY was used as a Header, the other three were DESCRIPTORS of who the Harlot was, in olden days Harlots wore their name on a Headband. This DESCRIBED THEM to their clients. Thus she was ASSOCIATED with Babylon (FALSE RELIGION) and she was the Mother of Harlotry (FALSE RELIGION) and she was HATED by God (False Religion). The answer is THE HARLOT(False Religion) RODE the back of the [GOVERNMENT] Beasts down through the ages.

The 7 Mountains of power have nothing to do with ONE CITY brother. They are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, AND the coming Anti-Christ. This is why God REDUCED them from Mountains to FALLEN KINGS, because the Last Beast never passes his kingdom on to another, thus God reduced the Mountains to Kings that have FALLEN or will fall so we would understand the last beast is a MAN. And by the way, THAT CITY (Babylon) really is this, Satan's Dark Kingdom on this earth, where he CONFUSES the masses with lies and deception. Babel means CONFUSION !! What better way to describe the Nations God Defeats via Rev. 16:19 than Babylon the Great? The 6th Vial tells us who they are, the KINGS of the WHOLE WORLD who gather to try and defeat their own CREATOR, that is the ultimate confusion, thus Babylon the Great was defeated.

It will be the counterfeit church of Roman Catholicism, the prostitute, who will be destroyed by the beast and the ten kings sometime during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven-year tribulation period. Israel, on the other hand, is the woman of Rev.12 who will flee out into the wilderness and be cared for by God once that abomination is set up during that last 1260 days.

However, you seem to be solid on what you believe and I am certain of what I believe. So this is one of those times that we can agree to disagree.

I was shown that 30 plus years ago and never bought into it brother, the Holy Spirit just kind of nudged me, NOPE, don't go there. Its ALL FALSE RELIGION that is destroyed brother, Islam, Buddhis, Hinduism, Witchcraft, etc. all, because there is only ONE GOD in this end-time nut jobs mind, and it's him. The AoD happens at the 1290, not the 1260. LOL........Just had to point that out. Its not just you, no one gets it, when you all find out I was correct in Heaven, its going to be like, Ohhhhhhhh.

I have been blessed with a great burden, it is what it is. God Bless.

 

[Rondonmon]

The Two Witnesses will be present on earth the same time as the Antichrist is seated, they arent separate as you times as you claim

The two Witnesses bring the plagues seen in the vials Rev 16:1-11 upon (The Beast) and world, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

The Two-witnesses are DEAD by the time Rev. 16 comes because Rev. 16 is the 3rd Woe. They die at the 2nd Woe. Their PRAYERS do bring the 3rd Woe however, we can agree with that, they just are t here at the time. We can clearly see in Rev. 11 they die at the 2nd Woe.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The second beast is the false prophet, a single person. The whore represents false religion and is made up of all who worship the beast as god.

Jesus has his virgin bride.
The beast has his whore bride.

In both cases the brides are not single persons but are a great many people who worship their grooms as their God.

So let me follow your illogic.

The beast (whereas a beast is not a human being) is in fact a human being.

And

The whore (which is a human being) is in fact not a human being.

Makes sense to me!!!

The second beast has the same time constraints. Both will be cast into the LOF at the same time.

The first beast in Rev 13 has the constraint of 42 months, its clear. The 2nd beast does not have any time constraint in Rev 13, its also clear.

Then you misuse Rev 20 to misinterpret Rev 13.

You assume the 2nd beast is exactly the same thing as the false prophet. But if they were exactly the same thing they would be called exactly the same thing as they are both described in the same book by the same author.

 

[ewq1938]

It's not a "NEW PERIOD" that's just they way you have come t think, that both cover the exact same time period, they don't.

I believe the 2W's 1260 days begins 3.5 days before the 42 months does because the two prophets will be killed and be dead for 3.5 days while the beast is still in power in the last days of the 42 months. When the 7th trump sounds, the 42 months is over and Christ will assume all the kingdoms once ruled by the beast.

 

[ewq1938]

So let me follow your illogic.

The beast (whereas a beast is not a human being) is in fact a human being.

The first beast is an empire composed of ten smaller kingdoms existing upon 7 areas of land.

The whore (which is a human being) is in fact not a human being.

The whore is not a human being. She represents the people deceive by the AC and this false religion.

The first beast in Rev 13 has the constraint of 42 months, its clear. The 2nd beast does not have any time constraint in Rev 13, its also clear.

This is wrong. Since both are cast into the LOF at the same time, they both have a limitation of being in power for only 42 months.

You assume the 2nd beast is exactly the same thing as the false prophet. But if they were exactly the same thing they would be called exactly the same thing as they are both described in the same book by the same author.

John refers to the second beast as the false prophet so you have no reason to disagree.

 

[Rondonmon]

I believe the 2W's 1260 days begins 3.5 days before the 42 months does because the two prophets will be killed and be dead for 3.5 days while the beast is still in power in the last days of the 42 months. When the 7th trump sounds, the 42 months is over and Christ will assume all the kingdoms once ruled by the beast.

Well, maybe, but the 3rd Woe = ALL 7 Vials, that is not going to come to pass in 3.5 days. The Two-witnesses die 75 days before the Beast because they show up 75 days before the Beast. THE BLESSING spoken about as being 1335 days before these wonders end is the Two-witnesses. What else could be a blessing to END TIME Israel who are still blinded? Blessed is he who waits and comes to the 1335. Well, what was the 1260? It was an EVENT (Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem) that happened 1260 days before ALL THESE WONDERS ENDS (at the Second Coming). WHAT WONDERS? Daniel 11:36-45 and Dan. 12:1-2 are THE WONDERS being spoken of. So, just like the 1260 is 1260 days from the Second Coming, likewise the 1335 is 1335 days before the Second Coming and the 1290 is 1290 days before the Second Coming.

The Two-witnesses show up FIRST, does this match the Scriptures? Let's look.....Malachi 4:5-6 says Elijah shows up BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord (which is the 1260 event). Zechariah 13:8-9 says 1/3 of the Jews REPENTS and turns unto God, then the very next verse (Zechariah 14:1) says BEHOLD, the DOTL cometh. So, the Jews REPENT right before the coming DOTL in both passages, and the DOTL is the 1260 Event. So, the Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the 1260 DOTL in order to turn Israel back unto God, else how would they know to Flee Judea as Jesus warned? They don't read the New Testament, they despise Jesus as per being the Messiah, they don't believe it at all. This is why they are BLESSED by the 1335, it's Elijah and Moses.

The 7th Trump is the BEGINNING of the 3rd Woe. The Three Woes are the LAST THREE TRUMPS............See Rev. 8:13

Rev. 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

The 5th Trump is the First Woe. The 6th Trump is the 2nd Woe and thus the 7th Trump starts the 3rd Woe. It ends nothing. The problem is you guys do not understand the book of Revelation is not in chronological order. Revelation 11 is about the 1260 day office of the Two-witnesses specifically. When we hear about the 2nd Woe, we must remember, we have already been told about the 2nd Woe in Rev. 9, thus we got THE DETAILS in Rev. 9 because that is where it actually takes place, Rev. 11 is a Parenthetical Citation, thus when the 7th Trump blows we also do not get THE DETAILS of the coming 3rd Woe, we are just told it leads to VICTORY. We get THE DETAILS in Rev. 16, via the 7 Vials which are the 3rd Woe of course. So, Rev. 11 does end it all, but that is a Parenthetical Citation.

Rev. 14:17-20 ends it all also, as does Rev. 16:19 and Rev. chapter 19, all four are the exact same event. But, the details of the 7 Vials are given unto us in Rev. 16.

 

[ewq1938]

Well, maybe, but the 3rd Woe = ALL 7 Vials, that is not going to come to pass in 3.5 days.

Just one day is needed.

The Two-witnesses die 75 days before the Beast because they show up 75 days before the Beast.

Which is not something that comes from Revelation at all. The two prophets will die, and rise again right before the 7th trump sounds which is the second coming. How long do you think Jesus will wait around in the clouds of the Earth before he comes and destroys the two beasts and their army? 75 days? No way. The second coming and the wrath and destruction cannot be held back.




THE BLESSING spoken about as being 1335 days before these wonders end is the Two-witnesses. What else could be a blessing to END TIME Israel who are still blinded? Blessed is he who waits and comes to the 1335. Well, what was the 1260? It was an EVENT (Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem) that happened 1260 days before ALL THESE WONDERS ENDS (at the Second Coming). WHAT WONDERS? Daniel 11:36-45 and Dan. 12:1-2 are THE WONDERS being spoken of. So, just like the 1260 is 1260 days from the Second Coming, likewise the 1335 is 1335 days before the Second Coming and the 1290 is 1290 days before the Second Coming.

The Two-witnesses show up FIRST, does this match the Scriptures? Let's look.....Malachi 4:5-6 says Elijah shows up BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord (which is the 1260 event). Zechariah 13:8-9 says 1/3 of the Jews REPENTS and turns unto God, then the very next verse (Zechariah 14:1) says BEHOLD, the DOTL cometh. So, the Jews REPENT right before the coming DOTL in both passages, and the DOTL is the 1260 Event. So, the Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the 1260 DOTL in order to turn Israel back unto God, else how would they know to Flee Judea as Jesus warned? They don't read the New Testament, they despise Jesus as per being the Messiah, they don't believe it at all. This is why they are BLESSED by the 1335, it's Elijah and Moses.

The 7th Trump is the BEGINNING of the 3rd Woe. The Three Woes are the LAST THREE TRUMPS............See Rev. 8:13

Rev. 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

The 5th Trump is the First Woe. The 6th Trump is the 2nd Woe and thus the 7th Trump starts the 3rd Woe. It ends nothing. The problem is you guys do not understand the book of Revelation is not in chronological order. Revelation 11 is about the 1260 day office of the Two-witnesses specifically. When we hear about the 2nd Woe, we must remember, we have already been told about the 2nd Woe in Rev. 9, thus we got THE DETAILS in Rev. 9 because that is where it actually takes place, Rev. 11 is a Parenthetical Citation, thus when the 7th Trump blows we also do not get THE DETAILS of the coming 3rd Woe, we are just told it leads to VICTORY. We get THE DETAILS in Rev. 16, via the 7 Vials which are the 3rd Woe of course. So, Rev. 11 does end it all, but that is a Parenthetical Citation.

Rev. 14:17-20 ends it all also, as does Rev. 16:19 and Rev. chapter 19, all four are the exact same event. But, the details of the 7 Vials are given unto us in Rev. 16.

 

[Rondonmon]

Just one day is needed.

It could be some minute, but it's not, because the 7 Vials are not happening in ONE DAY. The 1st Woe took 5 months, it says so. The 3rd Woe will take 75 days because I know when the Two-witnesses show up, this simple math tells me that from the time they die until the time the Beast dies is 75 days.

Which is not something that comes from Revelation at all. The two prophets will die, and rise again right before the 7th trump sounds which is the second coming. How long do you think Jesus will wait around in the clouds of the Earth before he comes and destroys the two beasts and their army? 75 days? No way. The second coming and the wrath and destruction cannot be held back.

No, the last three trumps are the THREE WOES, I cited the scripture for you to make it easy.

The 7th Vial is the Second Coming, see Jesus landing and splitting the City in Rev. 16:19 then defeating Babylon(the Kings of the WHOLE WORLD).

 

[Rondonmon]

The Two Witnesses will be present on earth the same time as the Antichrist is seated, they arent separate as you times as you claim

The two Witnesses bring the plagues seen in the vials Rev 16:1-11 upon (The Beast) and world, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Let me OFFICIALLY GO ON RECORD. I disagree with every post you make, that way I don't have to do the RED X mark every time.

LET IT BE KNOWN.........I Rondonmon, disagree with every post Truth7t7 posts. PERIOD.

 

[Truth7t7]

Let me OFFICIALLY GO ON RECORD. I disagree with every post you make, that way I don't have to do the RED X mark every time.
LET IT BE KNOWN.........I Rondonmon, disagree with every post Truth7t7 posts. PERIOD.

Jesus Christ Is Lord!

 

[ewq1938]

It could be some minute, but it's not, because the 7 Vials are not happening in ONE DAY.

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

The 1st Woe took 5 months, it says so. The 3rd Woe will take 75 days because I know when the Two-witnesses show up, this simple math tells me that from the time they die until the time the Beast dies is 75 days.

John said nothing in Revelation about Christ waiting 75 days to destroy the beast. What you are doing is taking numbers from Daniel and forcing them into Revelation where they don't belong.

The 7th Vial is the Second Coming

No, the second coming happens at the 7th trump before any vials are poured and they all pour that same day.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

The plagues above are referring to the destruction of Mystery, Babylon the Great and that at the hands of the beast and the ten kings.

"The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. "

Therefore, it is not the bowl judgements that destroy the prostitute, but the beast and the ten kings. The bowl judgements come from God.

John said nothing in Revelation about Christ waiting 75 days to destroy the beast. What you are doing is taking numbers from Daniel and forcing them into Revelation where they don't belong.

The 'time, times and half a time' in Daniel 7:25 is synonymous with the 1260, the 42 months and time, times and half a time mentioned Revelation, each referring to the last 3 1/2 years leading up to Christ's return to the earth to end the age. The 1290 and 1335 days mentioned in Daniel 12, is also referring to the same last 3 1/2 years with 30 and 45 days added on. During these extra 75 days there will most likely be events to bring the tribulation to its end such as the judgment of the sheep and the goats and other premillennial business.

To recap, the 1290 and 1335 days cover the 1260 days, with added days for post tribulation/premillennial business. The beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire as soon as the Lord returns to the earth. At that time is also when Satan will be seized and thrown into the Abyss for a thousand years.

No, the second coming happens at the 7th trump before any vials are poured and they all pour that same day.

I wish that you guys would quit adopting this erroneous teaching that the 7th trumpet as being the last trumpet. There is no correlation whatsoever between the 'last trumpet' when the church is gathered and the 7th trumpet of wrath. The only reason for this interpretation is because of the pigeonholing of the word trumpet. The last trumpet is the last of a different type of trumpet, which signals the gathering of the church. The 7th trumpet is a plague of wrath directly from God. So, one is blessing and the other is wrath. In addition, there is nothing in the context of the 7th trumpet that says anything about the church being gathered.

As soon as the 7th trumpet is sounded there is a pre-celebration which is in regards to the result of the 7th trumpet, which is Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth, which is the third woe.

When Adam and Eve disobeyed God by the eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the authority of the earth was given to Satan (Luke 4:6). Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth will be a part of the process of the authority of the earth reverting from Satan back to God and His Christ. Jesus does not return to the earth until after the 7th bowl has been poured out, which completes God's wrath.

 

[Rondonmon]

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Rev. 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day(Day of the Lord BRINGS these Plagues and it lasts 42 Months), death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. 9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour (The kings in Rev. 17:12 rule ONE HOUR with the Beast which = 42 Months) is thy judgment come.

Revelation has to be DECODED, we aren't told ONE DAY & ONE HOUR because it's one day or one hour, we are told those in order for us to be able to understand but the world hearing and seeing can't understand, just like Jesus said to his disciples about why he spoke unto them in parables. So, if Jesus spoke to his disciples in "CODED PARABLES", why don't we understand he did the same in the book of Revelation, which we know is one giant code book?

You are all caught up in ONE HOUR and ONA DAY and even 0NE CITY, while none of that is factual, it's all code. Both the DOTL and the ONE HOUR = 42 months. Babylon = the Whole World just as Rev. 16:19 says it does. It says God gave Great Babylon his WRATH. Well, who got defeated by Jesus in verse 19? The Cities of the Nations. Well, who were they? The 6th Vial tells us they were Kings of the WHOLE WORLD gathered together to try and defeat God. Talk about confused (Babel). no one has ever been this confused, here men try t defeat their own creator !! Satan's Dark Kingdom of Confusion has worked, he has deceived the masses. Babylon falls is followed by Satan in the pit for a 1000 years for a reason. Babylon is Satan's kingdom on earth.

John said nothing in Revelation about Christ waiting 75 days to destroy the beast. What you are doing is taking numbers from Daniel and forcing them into Revelation where they don't belong.

No one said he WAITS to destroy the Beast, you infer that. Jesus returns 75 days after the 7th Trump sounds because the 7th trump is the 3rd Woe, which is the 7 Vials, so ALL SEVEN VIALS have to come to pass, thus Jesus shows up at the 7th Vial. See Rev. 16:19, he is the one that SPLITS the city when he lands then defeats the Cities of the Nations. (The Whole World). What you don't get is Rev. 11 is not about the End Time Plagues per se, its about the 1260 day ministry of the Two-witnesses. Thus when they die 75 days before Jesus' return, their ministry on earth is over, BUT...........we are told what their last prayer brings down, the 7th Trump which is the 3rd Woe, that is why we get this verse.

Rev. 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

You are taking an ANNOUNCEMENT and wrongly saying it has already come to pass, it has not, they are announcing that the 3rd Woe will culminate in VICTORY by Jesus/God. Thus the 3rd Woe comes quickly moniker. THEN VICTORY.

Which happens HERE!!

Rev. 16:19 And the great city(Jerusalem) was divided into three parts(Earthquake splits city), and the cities of the nations fell(All the KIngs/Nations that gathered against God FALLS): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.(God calls the Kings of the WHOLE WORLD Babylon the Great: see Rev. 16:14 the 6th VIAL)

As per the numbers in Daniel, they do belong in the end time good sir, you just do not understand them it seems. Dan. 12':1 clearly points to WHEN Micheal stands up AND when the Saints are raised and Judged at the very end. Micheal stands up in Rev. 12 at the 1260 event sir.

No, the second coming happens at the 7th trump before any vials are poured and they all pour that same day.

No, you just clearly do not get the Chronological order of the Book of Revelation (BoR). You do not understand that Rev. 11 is a Parenthetical Citation chapter. You do not understand that Rev. 11s 7th Trump, Rev. 14:17-20, Rev. 16:19 and Rev. 19s Marriage Supper Event are all four the EXACT SAME EVENT being spoken about. Only Rev. 16 fits the Chronological order, the rest are Parenthetical Citations being retold in other ways because the chapters are about other things going on. For instance:

Rev. 11 is about the Two-witnesses 42-month ministry on earth. Rev. 14 is about all three Harvests, the Jews on earth are rescued by Jesus in verse 1, but they repented 42 months earlier, before Jesus returns, or should I say 1335 days before Jesus' return. Then in verse 14, we see a FLASHBACK to the Pre Trib Rapture, where Jesus himself plunges in the Sickle to reap the Harvest. Then in verses 17-20 we see an Angel plunges in the Sickle and the Wicked are thus Harvested (the die) and thus will be bound into bundles and burned in 1000 years at the Second Resurrection, of the wicked.

Rev. 19 is about the Marriage Supper after the Bride has returned with Jesus on White Horses as conquerors. Thus the eagle will be where the carcass is at via Matt. 24:28 matches with the birds in Rev. 19 devouring the kings etc. The Marriage Supper is a celebration of WICKEDNESS being DEFEATED, Amen.

Only Rev. 16:19 is THE ACTUAL VICTORY by Jesus Christ.

You only say they are poured on the same day because you take the words TOO LITERAL in Rev. 11 where it states they have victory via the 7th vial. And in Rev 18 where it says Judgment comes in ONE DAY and in ONE HOUR. Let me ask you then do the Kings serve ONE HOUR with the Beast also? Or does that actually mean 42 months? (SEE BELOW)

Rev. 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. (Which of course means 42 months, just like the ONE DAY & ONE HOUR both mean in Rev. 18). The coming Day of the Lord = 42 months and the ONE HOUR = 42 months also. God ENCODED it where only we could understand it by deciphering the codes).

 

[Rondonmon]

Mostly agree, besides a couple of things. BRAVO