50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord
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He " comes" in the rapture.
He " comes" in the second coming
Both are " he comes".
You told me in another thread that the supper is on earth.
Of course there are saints.
Mat 25 depicts them vividly.
Only half the saints make the rapture.
Impossible to miss it.
Half get to do business with the ac.
How can they not be here for the trib????
It is Fact that the foolish are left behind. Virgin = saints...born again believers.
All left behind saints refusing the mark are murdered by the ac.
My exchange with him is over the " supper".
He seems to have changed his position.
I have to fight through all the underlines, colorcodes, strongs refs,brackets, and added fancy italics and punctuations.
Sometimes i totally miss his point and we do not connect.
This particular exchange is one of those.
Neither of us sees what the other is saying.
What you are speaking are two separate events.
When the Lord comes to gather the church, He will ascend to the atmosphere 'only' and call up the dead and the living believers. Then in fulfillment of John 14:1-3, He will take the entire church back to the Father's house to those places that He prepared for us.
Following the gathering of the church, God's wrath will begin by that ruler, the antichrist establishing his seven year covenant in part with Israel. It is during this time also when the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be taking place throughout the entire period.
What everyone seems to ignore and/or take into consideration is that, because God's wrath has already been satisfied by Jesus, then God's wrath no longer rests upon believers. Anyone who believes and teaches that the church is going to be on the earth during the time of His wrath, has no understanding of the severity of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. This world will be no place to live, even if God was to protect the church. It's going to be a chaotic mess! You're gonna have demonic beings coming up out of the Abyss tormenting people with the stings like that of a scorpion, which will last for five months. You're going to have a third of the earth and trees burned up, a third of the rivers and fresh water contaminated and killing many. Four fallen angels and their demonic army of 200 million, are going to kill a third of the earth inhabitants. That's just a few plagues of wrath off the top of my head and you think that the Lord is going to leave His church here during that time? It makes more spiritual sense for the Lord to remove His church from the earth, opposed to working His wrath around them.
I believe that Daniel 9 is about Israel and Jerusalem. With [only] one unlikely-but-possible exception, no part of it is about anything "future" beyond the end of the 'Times of the Jews'.
For more insight - and, to save me some typing - please read:
http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html
I believe Daniel 11:31 is referring to the 'event' of 167 B.C.
I believe Daniel 12:11 is a reference to Daniel 11:31.
I believe Matthew 24:15 / Mark 13:14 is referring to the 'event' of 70 A.D. - but, making reference to the 'event' of 167 B.C.
I believe the verses from each account that are grouped together on each row of the main chart on this web page came from the same words spoken during the Olivet Discourse and refer to the same exact thing:
http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Olivet_Discourse.html
The small chart below the main chart shows what I believe to be the chronological order by row number.
(to be continued...)
Yup it was rough at first. I finally got a handle on it. When you do it is clear and extraordinary...
ROMANS 11: BELEVING ISRAEL TO BE REDEEMED AND RESTORED
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Please take a look at this web page:
http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Second_Coming.html
Every one of the verses in the chart are about the same 'event'.
There will not be a "third" coming of Christ.
50 Reasons... that's impressive.
88 reasons would have been more impressive, but hey, nobody's perfect.
haha cute..
If you're feeling your oats go ahead and cough up 50 reasons supporting your view. Or 88 for that matter50 Reasons... that's impressive.
88 reasons would have been more impressive, but hey, nobody's perfect.
