Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I guess the below passage only applies to men! lol

Revelation 5:10 KJV - "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

I thought the same thing.
Here too........

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvellous light; 1 Pet 2:9

Proclaiming excellencies is harder to do if you aren't permitted to speak.

 

[notuptome]

Have all your male house speakers been exemplary?
Do you believe your ban on women in leadership of your church gives you the right to impose the same ban in government?

No implication. Government is appointed by God either for good or for evil. How is the church doing with women in positions they are not to occupy? The fault does not lie with the women but the men. It is clear evidence of Gods judgment on the rebellion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[101G]

Professing themselves to be wise...

For the cause of Christ
Roger

No need to poke......... LOL,
1 Corinthians 1:19 "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

1 Corinthians 3:19 "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."

1 Corinthians 2:7 "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:"

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Dino246]

Secular authority not spiritual authority. We have a woman house speaker and you can see how that is going.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I'm sure that has nothing whatsoever to do with her political and social orientation, and everything to do with her gender.

 

[101G]

@notuptome,
nothing can get around, 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."


this one verse alone destroys any and EVERY argument you have made aganist women in church speaking, or holding the work of Pastor. so there is nothing that you can say to rebut it.

Good Day.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[notuptome]

I'm sure that has nothing whatsoever to do with her political and social orientation, and everything to do with her gender.

God chose her to be an instrument of His judgment. Her gender is only an accent on Gods purpose. Last I checked there were many men willing to follow her foolishness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

What's wrong with the instruction that God gave us in scripture, vis the apostles? There really is nothing to be contentious about. God has given order for certain things.

 

[notuptome]

@notuptome,
nothing can get around, 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."


this one verse alone destroys any and EVERY argument you have made aganist women in church speaking, or holding the work of Pastor. so there is nothing that you can say to rebut it.

Good Day.

PICJAG, 101G.

If you say so then it must be. As long as you hold to Pentecostal charismatic heresy you will continue in error.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

If you say so then it must be. As long as you hold to Pentecostal charismatic heresy you will continue in error.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I see so it's not really women you dislike but The Holy Spirit. Your bad attitude makes more sense now.

 

[notuptome]

I see so it's not really women you dislike but The Holy Spirit. Your bad attitude makes more sense now.

The Light of truth hurts the eyes of those mired in the darkness of unbelief.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The Light of truth hurts the eyes of those mired in the darkness of unbelief.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to apply to your eyes so that you may see.
Rev 3:18

 

[Truth7t7]

And I'm telling you God will not allow you to use His word in this way. Women can preach and they can pray, nor does Paul recognise male or female in the body of Christ.

And I Will State Again, (In The Church) Women Are To Remain Silent, Just As God's Word Teaches

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Truth7t7]

Hi Lucy, yes women have to patient with this one and some men will never be won over.

Many years ago I found myself among a large assembly of Kellyite Brethren who are the strictest and most exclusive of the Brethrens but they sure liked what I was saying and invited me along for tea which is a great honour from them for they refuse to eat with folks they consider "wrong"

Of course their women were silent in the meetings.

I cracked during tea "however much the sisters are in submission during meeting it is perfectly plain to see who is in charge when they get you all home"

You could have heard a pin drop, there a moment of dead silence as they were not sure if I had not greatly insulted them. Then there was a perfect explosion of laughter.

In sharing with them the sisters loved to tell how during their bible meetings when the brethren will stand one by one and share their insight into scripture [by the Holy Spirit] they all said how before their spouses spoke the Holy Spirit always gave them the exact same insight.

I said that God does have a sense of humour and I asked them if they did not think maybe there was an ever so gentle reproof in it from the Lord. But they were so content to keep silence and so I didn't contradict too much. Unity of heart and mind is the most precious thing with God.

It was amazing how I was able to share the things of the Holy Ghost with those Breths.

You mean some men will follow God's words as written, and not rebel in willful disobedience to them, as many.

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Dino246]

God chose her to be an instrument of His judgment. Her gender is only an accent on Gods purpose. Last I checked there were many men willing to follow her foolishness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

That looks like circular reasoning.

 

[Truth7t7]

David was an adulterer.
Moses was a murderer.
Paul was a murderer.

There has never been a better Christian servant that Dr. Walvoord my dear brother.

Your Opinion, Dispensationalism that Walvoord and Dallas Theological teaches is a deceptive lie, built upon the foundations of Adulterer C.I. Scofield

Yes Scofield abandoned and divorced his wife Leotine and two daughters in Kansas, and ran off with and married Hettie Van Wart in Dallas in his sunday school class,being 17 years younger than Scofield

Yes Scofield and Hettie produced the 1909 reference bible, a work of Adulterous corruption

Yes Scofield died in the sin of Adultery, being married to Hettie, while his wife Leotine lived

Yes Lewis S. Chaffer was a student and prodigy of Scofield, who went on to found Dallas Theological Cemetary

Yes John Walvoord was president of this Cemetary for 30+ years

 

[Major]

How about Ruler and Judge over all of Israel? That position warrants more of a dominant, controlling, teaching, expecting voice than does the voice of any High Priest.

Judges 4:4-5 KJV - "And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment."

My dear brother......your attempts to validate your opinion are actually embarrassing.

Deborah was indeed a leader – pastors are leaders, but that does not mean that Deborah was a pastor. She did not preach a sermon, discipline a member or determine a doctrine. Her story, while interesting and inspired, has no bearing on this contemporary controversy of whether or not women can Biblically be Pastors.

To say that Deborah was a prophetess and a leader in Israel, does not seem to say anything directly about whether or not women should be preachers in the church.

Suppose I had a cat named Lucy. Suppose I told you that because Lucy is a cat and because cats are animals and because dogs are animals, therefore Lucy is a dog. I’m not sure you would find that convincing because, while all cats are animals, not all animals are cats. My argument is built upon a significant category error.

Likewise, it is not true to say that because Deborah was a prophet and prophets are leaders, therefore women can be any type of leader including the preaching pastor of a church.

Come on man......."YOU" are better than this!!!!!!

 

[Major]

Your Opinion, Dispensationalism that Walvoord and Dallas Theological teaches is a deceptive lie, built upon the foundations of Adulterer C.I. Scofield

Yes Scofield abandoned and divorced his wife Leotine and two daughters in Kansas, and ran off with and married Hettie Van Wart in Dallas in his sunday school class,being 17 years younger than Scofield

Yes Scofield and Hettie produced the 1909 reference bible, a work of Adulterous corruption

Yes Scofield died in the sin of Adultery, being married to Hettie, while his wife Leotine lived

Yes Lewis S. Chaffer was a student and prodigy of Scofield, who went on to found Dallas Theological Cemetary

Yes John Walvoord was president of this Cemetary for 30+ years

And YES, Paul was a murderer.
And YES, Moses was a murderer.
And YES, David was a Murder and liar and thief and adulterer and a liar.
And Peter was a Liar.
And Tamar Dressed as a prostitute, coerced her father-in-law, Judah, to have sex with her and she bore twin sons.
And Elijah was afraid of a woman and ran away to hide.
And Jonah was stubborn and refused to obey God as a prophet.
And Eve disobeyed God and we are in the mess we are in because of her actions.
And Rahab was a prostitute and she is in the physical royal line of Christ!!!!

I am sure you are a well meaning good Christian man, but I find your denigration of Scofield, and Walvoord and Chaffer to be way out of line my friend.

I wonder if we knew about you past, what we would be able to say about YOU!

In spite of what we have done....GOD USES PEOPLE TO FUTHER HIS AGENDA!!!!

Then simply because YOU do not like, or know about or understand "Dispensationalism"....does not in any way make it a deceptive lie.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

(smile), This just goes to show how many have not studied the word of God for the truth.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." and the way to prove all things is to ... 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

be blessed, and stay strong, the Lord Jesus is with thee.

PICJAG, 101G.

Here's another example:

John 10:33-36 NLT - "They replied, "We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God." Jesus replied, "It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, 'I say, you are gods!' And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God's message were called 'gods,' why do you call it blasphemy when I say, 'I am the Son of God'? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world."

What would a legalist say about the above passages? Do these words only apply to women . . . that we are like little gods? Do little gods remain silent and cover themselves up, or do they place themselves upon a hill and allow their light to shine?

And how utterly confusing for women, that they are commanded to let the light of Christ shine from them, yet are told to essentially sit down . . . shut up. For us fellas, just imagine being a woman who has been told to cover up and shut up, and reading the below verse. Talk about hypocrisy.

Mark 4:21 NLT - "Then Jesus asked them, "Would anyone light a lamp and then put it under a basket or under a bed? Of course not! A lamp is placed on a stand, where its light will shine."

 

[Truth7t7]

And YES, Paul was a murderer.
And YES, Moses was a murderer.
And YES, David was a Murder and liar and thief and adulterer and a liar.
And Peter was a Liar.
And Tamar Dressed as a prostitute, coerced her father-in-law, Judah, to have sex with her and she bore twin sons.
And Elijah was afraid of a woman and ran away to hide.
And Jonah was stubborn and refused to obey God as a prophet.
And Eve disobeyed God and we are in the mess we are in because of her actions.
And Rahab was a prostitute and she is in the physical royal line of Christ!!!!

I am sure you are a well meaning good Christian man, but I find your denigration of Scofield, and Walvoord and Chaffer to be way out of line my friend.

I wonder if we knew about you past, what we would be able to say about YOU!

In spite of what we have done....GOD USES PEOPLE TO FUTHER HIS AGENDA!!!!

Then simply because YOU do not like, or know about or understand "Dispensationalism"....does not in any way make it a deceptive lie.

And yes the afore mentioned repented of their sin, while Adulterer C.I. Scofield died while remaining married to Hettie Van Wart, while his wife Leotine lived (Adultery)

C.I. Scofield is buried next to Hettie, whom he married while she was 24, and Scofield was 41, after abandoning his wife Leotine and two daughters Abigail and Helene in Kansas

C.I Scofield, A "Corrupt Tree"!

Matthew 7:16-18KJV
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

C.I Scofield & Hettie Van Wart Burial Records

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

My dear brother......your attempts to validate your opinion are actually embarrassing.

Deborah was indeed a leader – pastors are leaders, but that does not mean that Deborah was a pastor. She did not preach a sermon, discipline a member, or determine a doctrine. Her story, while interesting and inspired, has no bearing on this contemporary controversy of whether or not women can Biblically be Pastors.

To say that Deborah was a prophetess and a leader in Israel, does not seem to say anything directly about whether or not women should be preachers in the church.

Suppose I had a cat named Lucy. Suppose I told you that because Lucy is a cat and because cats are animals and because dogs are animals, therefore Lucy is a dog. I’m not sure you would find that convincing because, while all cats are animals, not all animals are cats. My argument is built upon a significant category error.

Likewise, it is not true to say that because Deborah was a prophet and prophets are leaders, therefore women can be any type of leader including the preaching pastor of a church.

Come on man......."YOU" are better than this!!!!!!

Lol - I appreciate what you've written for the sake of humor. May the Lord Bless you mightily.