Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??
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GINOLJC, to all
first, thanks for the reply, second, if this is true why did God put women in the Church to speak? example, are not women "PROPHETS?" YES, and do God have respect to persons? NO, so when he poured out his Spirit was it only on males?, NO, and when he give Pastors to his body, is he a respector of persons? no.
so your assessment of Women Pastor is incorrect.
PICJAG, 101G.
first, thanks for the reply, second, if this is true why did God put women in the Church to speak? example, are not women "PROPHETS?" YES, and do God have respect to persons? NO, so when he poured out his Spirit was it only on males?, NO, and when he give Pastors to his body, is he a respector of persons? no.
so your assessment of Women Pastor is incorrect.
PICJAG, 101G.
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How many women were priests in the temple service? Did God ever anoint a woman high priest?
There is no shortage of heretical activity in the modern western church. Many abominations abound in the church brought in by eastern mysticism and plain unbelief in the word of God.
God is no respecter of persons in regard to how one must be saved. Using those verses to mean other things is an abomination. Proof texting requires a disregard for proper context. It's a common malady in the undisciplined church of the day.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There is no shortage of heretical activity in the modern western church. Many abominations abound in the church brought in by eastern mysticism and plain unbelief in the word of God.
God is no respecter of persons in regard to how one must be saved. Using those verses to mean other things is an abomination. Proof texting requires a disregard for proper context. It's a common malady in the undisciplined church of the day.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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True, and agreed, God is no respecter of person. God use women just as men. what men have not understood from the beginning, is this, the HUSBAND is the HEAD/first to serve of their own house, but God, the Lord Jesus is the HEAD/first to serve of his OWN HOUSE. and men and some women cannot separate the Leadership in their home vs the Leadership in God's Holy House.
they try to bring these carnal things into the House of God..... no. as in 1 Corinthians 14:34 & 35 and 1 Timothy 2:12 they are dealing with MARRIED couples in the flesh at home, who should be "ONE". other words the husband should teach his wife what he knows, so when they come to church, they will be on "ONE ACCORD", saying the same thing. at Church, we are MARRIED to God, the Lord Jesus, in HIS HOUSE, which is a Spiritual House, neither MALE nor Female. and we should be on ONE ACCORD, one saying this, and another saying that, on the same topic, this is division. just as a natural marriage should have order, likewise the House of God have order. training as well as charity begins at home. husbands are to LOVE their wives, (for if they do, they want let their wives be ignorant of the things of God). there is nothing more pleasing when a husband and wife is on one accord. which is the man's responsibility to teach, or instruct his wife in the things of God.
so we, at home need to learn how to conduct ourselves at our own homes FIRST, (which is the symbol of God's house), so that when we come together in the House of God we should act according to God rules and commands. THE HOME IS A REFELCTION OF THE CHURCH. (one might want to read that).
as you said, the apostle was not even speaking to women at large, but unto the Husband, of wives. putting it in morden Language, the apostle Pauls was telling men/Husband, "To get it together at home first, before you come into the house of God".
and you're spot on about, "if a man desire the office of a bishop". for the qualification was narrowed for a specify group of men, a married man and children, well everyone in the body of Christ, is not Male, neither married, or have children. and if this was the only qualification, then the apostle Paul is living proof of this violation of the qualification, he was not married, and had, no natural children, as for as I have read, and he was a pastor/bishop/overseer.
so anyone with the argument that it's only males, and married with chuldren... that argument fails.
PICJAG, 101G.
they try to bring these carnal things into the House of God..... no. as in 1 Corinthians 14:34 & 35 and 1 Timothy 2:12 they are dealing with MARRIED couples in the flesh at home, who should be "ONE". other words the husband should teach his wife what he knows, so when they come to church, they will be on "ONE ACCORD", saying the same thing. at Church, we are MARRIED to God, the Lord Jesus, in HIS HOUSE, which is a Spiritual House, neither MALE nor Female. and we should be on ONE ACCORD, one saying this, and another saying that, on the same topic, this is division. just as a natural marriage should have order, likewise the House of God have order. training as well as charity begins at home. husbands are to LOVE their wives, (for if they do, they want let their wives be ignorant of the things of God). there is nothing more pleasing when a husband and wife is on one accord. which is the man's responsibility to teach, or instruct his wife in the things of God.
so we, at home need to learn how to conduct ourselves at our own homes FIRST, (which is the symbol of God's house), so that when we come together in the House of God we should act according to God rules and commands. THE HOME IS A REFELCTION OF THE CHURCH. (one might want to read that).
as you said, the apostle was not even speaking to women at large, but unto the Husband, of wives. putting it in morden Language, the apostle Pauls was telling men/Husband, "To get it together at home first, before you come into the house of God".
and you're spot on about, "if a man desire the office of a bishop". for the qualification was narrowed for a specify group of men, a married man and children, well everyone in the body of Christ, is not Male, neither married, or have children. and if this was the only qualification, then the apostle Paul is living proof of this violation of the qualification, he was not married, and had, no natural children, as for as I have read, and he was a pastor/bishop/overseer.
so anyone with the argument that it's only males, and married with chuldren... that argument fails.
PICJAG, 101G.
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How about Ruler and Judge over all of Israel? That position warrants more of a dominant, controlling, teaching, expecting voice than does the voice of any High Priest.
Judges 4:4-5 KJV - "And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment."
Judges 4:4-5 KJV - "And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment."
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that's a ignorant question to ask, just as how many women was circumcised in the flesh. see, the OT was a shadow of things to come... NOW, ask me HOW MANY WOMEN ARE PRIEST NOW?"....... (smile). 1 Peter 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:"
one more, Revelation 1:6 "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."
well?.... see, how uneducated your question was?.
PICJAG, 101G
that's a ignorant question to ask, just as how many women was circumcised in the flesh. see, the OT was a shadow of things to come... NOW, ask me HOW MANY WOMEN ARE PRIEST NOW?"....... (smile). 1 Peter 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:"
one more, Revelation 1:6 "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."
well?.... see, how uneducated your question was?.
PICJAG, 101G
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Another ERROR, on your part. Romans 13:1 "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."
Romans 13:2 "Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation."
Romans 13:3 "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:"
Romans 13:4 "For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."
1 Peter 2:13 "Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;"
1 Peter 2:14 "Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well."
1 Peter 2:15 "For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:"
1 Peter 2:16 "As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God."
1 Peter 2:17 "Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king."
PICJAG, 101G.
Romans 13:2 "Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation."
Romans 13:3 "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:"
Romans 13:4 "For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."
1 Peter 2:13 "Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;"
1 Peter 2:14 "Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well."
1 Peter 2:15 "For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:"
1 Peter 2:16 "As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God."
1 Peter 2:17 "Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king."
PICJAG, 101G.
now as for "Ordaining/Anointing", NT, 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."
is not the "ANOINTING/ORDAINING", is of the HOLY SPIRIT, the OIL? well here is the ANOINTING/ORDAINING of the Pastor, 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;" there is the Pastoral anoiting. and as 1 Corinthians 12:28 states, apostles, and prophets, and teachers are pastors, for they "FEED THE FLOCK OF GOD".
PICJAG, 2101G.
is not the "ANOINTING/ORDAINING", is of the HOLY SPIRIT, the OIL? well here is the ANOINTING/ORDAINING of the Pastor, 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;" there is the Pastoral anoiting. and as 1 Corinthians 12:28 states, apostles, and prophets, and teachers are pastors, for they "FEED THE FLOCK OF GOD".
PICJAG, 2101G.
1 Samuel 2:2
Concerning Hannah's Prayer
Everyone who thinks women of God should be silenced should read 1 Samuel Chapters 1 & 2
Hannah couldn't have children but she prayed for a son. She promised to dedicate that son to The Lord if he answered her prayer.
The High Priest at the house of The Lord thought she was drunk when he saw her praying silently!
He was a reasonable man though because when she spoke to him he gave her his blessing.
The Lord eventually answered Hannah's prayer, she had a son. She named him Samuel and kept her promise,
giving him to the service of The Lord for life.
1 Sam 3:1 records,
"The boy Samuel served the Lord in Eli’s presence. In those days the word of the Lord was rare and prophetic visions were not widespread."
God used Hannah to bring forth The prophet Samuel, the last judge of Israel.
God used Hannah for something else though. At a time when prophecy was rare, She delivered a prophecy about the coming Messiah.
Her words became part of scripture and are recorded in 1 Samuel Chapter 2 as a beautiful prayer of thanksgiving.
1 Sam 2:10
Those who oppose the Lord will be shattered; he will thunder in the heavens against them.
The Lord will judge the ends of the earth. He will give power to his king; he will lift up the horn of his anointed.
The Bible is not a collection of books for those who believe in silencing God's chosen prophetic voices. Male or female.
Concerning Hannah's Prayer
Everyone who thinks women of God should be silenced should read 1 Samuel Chapters 1 & 2
Hannah couldn't have children but she prayed for a son. She promised to dedicate that son to The Lord if he answered her prayer.
The High Priest at the house of The Lord thought she was drunk when he saw her praying silently!
He was a reasonable man though because when she spoke to him he gave her his blessing.
The Lord eventually answered Hannah's prayer, she had a son. She named him Samuel and kept her promise,
giving him to the service of The Lord for life.
1 Sam 3:1 records,
"The boy Samuel served the Lord in Eli’s presence. In those days the word of the Lord was rare and prophetic visions were not widespread."
God used Hannah to bring forth The prophet Samuel, the last judge of Israel.
God used Hannah for something else though. At a time when prophecy was rare, She delivered a prophecy about the coming Messiah.
Her words became part of scripture and are recorded in 1 Samuel Chapter 2 as a beautiful prayer of thanksgiving.
1 Sam 2:10
Those who oppose the Lord will be shattered; he will thunder in the heavens against them.
The Lord will judge the ends of the earth. He will give power to his king; he will lift up the horn of his anointed.
The Bible is not a collection of books for those who believe in silencing God's chosen prophetic voices. Male or female.
Side Note: The below passage indicates that Paul could have POSSIBLY been married.
1 Corinthians 9:5 NLT - "Don't we have the right to bring a Christian wife with us as the other apostles and the Lord's brothers do, and as Peter does?"
1 Corinthians 9:5 NLT - "Don't we have the right to bring a Christian wife with us as the other apostles and the Lord's brothers do, and as Peter does?"
try again. ....
PICJAG, 101G.
(smile), This just goes to show how many have not studied the word of God for the truth.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." and the way to prove all things is to ... 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
be blessed, and stay strong, the Lord Jesus is with thee.
PICJAG, 101G.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." and the way to prove all things is to ... 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
be blessed, and stay strong, the Lord Jesus is with thee.
PICJAG, 101G.