Sure it does, but people have been conditioned today to seek an experience instead of truth.
Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??
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Sure it does, but people have been conditioned today to seek an experience instead of truth.
I explained to you waaaay back on the first page that "man" does not appear in the Greek. It is "any"... without a gender implied.
Why do you ignore truth?
Have you read the articles, or are you just passing judgment in ignorance?
Which verse is it that says a man should be the pastor in a church?
How many other double standards do you hold in order to keep your precious belief from unraveling?
The articles are made from man which putting their understanding and view into the text right?
Word of God is clear! You cant show me in the bible a vers which allowes woman to be a pastor of a church. I believe that God reveals his will openly in his word, so that it is easy to understand with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Well if you have only man and woman. And you point that f.e. man should be the head of the family, then it is clear that woman should not.
If you read about eldest in 1. Tim 3, then you will find that the Adressat are man and not woman. Why, when Paul will express that man and woman can be eldest?
What you mean with double Standards?
Deborah never visited a NT church
She might have been turned away from Westboro but petty denominational biases aren't representative of the entire NT Body of Christ.
Deborah never visited a NT church
You're either telling a joke or missed the point.
You didn't answer the question.
Nor can you show me a verse that forbids a woman from being a pastor in a church, which makes my position just as biblically sound as yours.
Is a man the head of a woman who is not part of his family? No.
If you read 1 Timothy 3 in Greek, you will find a shocking absence of references to the male gender, aside from "husband".
Double standards: holding one standard for your position but holding a different standard for my position. For an example, see my previous post to you.
By your grammar and spelling, I take it that English is not your first language. What is, may I ask?
By this comment, you are implying that the OT references to women are irrelevant to the discussion, correct? If so, then the OT references to men are equally irrelevant.Deborah never visited a NT church
That's a single standard. If references to men were relevant, but those to women were not, it would be a double standard.
Ok, i understand now what you meant.
Well in this case, nor OT man ore woman was in a NT church, right? Because their was no Christian church exist before pentecost.
Not In The Church
Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.
Silence, Subjection, Obedience
1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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Deborah never visited a NT church
Even a thought that God instituted a New Testament Law against using women in leadership that was not even heard of in the Old Testament must occur to you that you might have made a mistake in your understanding of what Paul was meaning.
And don't forget Huldah when king Josiah the only king who it was said followed the Lord completely and he sent his entire cabinet to the prophetess Huldah to tell them what to do with the Book of the Law they had found in the temple because she was the one with the Word of the Lord as the Spiritual Prophetess who was to be trusted and her words rang out like the might words of Jeremiah in authority and weightiness:
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Josiah's Good Reign in Judah
(2 Chronicles 34:1-2)
1Josiah was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty and one years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Jedidah, the daughter of Adaiah of Boscath. 2And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, and walked in all the way of David his father, and turned not aside to the right hand or to the left.
Josiah Repairs the Temple
(2 Chronicles 34:8-13)
3And it came to pass in the eighteenth year of king Josiah, that the king sent Shaphan the son of Azaliah, the son of Meshullam, the scribe, to the house of the LORD, saying, 4Go up to Hilkiah the high priest, that he may sum the silver which is brought into the house of the LORD, which the keepers of the door have gathered of the people: 5And let them deliver it into the hand of the doers of the work, that have the oversight of the house of the LORD: and let them give it to the doers of the work which is in the house of the LORD, to repair the breaches of the house, 6Unto carpenters, and builders, and masons, and to buy timber and hewn stone to repair the house. 7Howbeit there was no reckoning made with them of the money that was delivered into their hand, because they dealt faithfully.
Hilkiah Finds the Book of the Law
(2 Chronicles 34:14-21)
8And Hilkiah the high priest said unto Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the LORD. And Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan, and he read it. 9And Shaphan the scribe came to the king, and brought the king word again, and said, Thy servants have gathered the money that was found in the house, and have delivered it into the hand of them that do the work, that have the oversight of the house of the LORD. 10And Shaphan the scribe shewed the king, saying, Hilkiah the priest hath delivered me a book. And Shaphan read it before the king.
11And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the book of the law, that he rent his clothes. 12And the king commanded Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam the son of Shaphan, and Achbor the son of Michaiah, and Shaphan the scribe, and Asahiah a servant of the king's, saying, 13Go ye, inquire of the LORD for me, and for the people, and for all Judah, concerning the words of this book that is found: for great is the wrath of the LORD that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of this book, to do according unto all that which is written concerning us.
But to think that God would not use a woman with an anointing of the Holy Ghost and power in these last days in the New Testament? To think that God would use a woman with more anointing and Holy Ghost power in the Old Testament but not the New Testament Church? pffffttt!!! You need a revelation of the new Covenant, Pentecost, and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit on all flesh.
God has not changed. He will use anyone he wants and those that say he can't don't know Him and their mouths will silenced in the dust.
Huldah's Prophecy
(2 Chronicles 34:22-28)
14So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college
and they communed with her. 15And she said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Tell the man that sent you to me, 16Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read: 17Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be kindled against this place, and shall not be quenched. 18But to the king of Judah which sent you to inquire of the LORD, thus shall ye say to him, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, As touching the words which thou hast heard; 19Because thine heart was tender, and thou hast humbled thyself before the LORD, when thou heardest what I spake against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, that they should become a desolation and a curse, and hast rent thy clothes, and wept before me; I also have heard thee, saith the LORD. 20Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place. And they brought the king word again.Pretty Hard To Be A Female Pastor, When You Are (Commanded) Not To Speak In The Church
Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.
Silence, Subjection, Obedience
1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.