Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

[101G]

It is reading and accepting exactly what is written.

First, no second ERROR of the Day. Reading and Reading with UNDERSTANDING are two different animals.

second, why complain about other, just stick with the scriptures, I can care less what the Assembly of God denomination, the Roman Catholic, baptist...ect... think, only what God intended for us to learn, and KNOW. now please no more side shows ok, lets just stay within the word of God.

2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;".

now do any of these qualification are in the WORK, NO, but in the person.now is all men MARRIED? no so if this was for only married men, then God is respector of PERSON. and that makes your argument FLAWED and in ERROR.

also, do all married men have children? NO, so again you assessment fails.

blameless? G423 ἀνεπίληπτος anepileptos (a-ne-piy'-leep-tos) adj.
1. not arrested.
2. (by implication) inculpable.
[from G1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of G1949]
KJV: blameless, unrebukeable
Root(s): G1, G1949

now that right there is a dead give away. if you now are saved is NOT you old, or Past life forgiven? so if someone was arrested that disqualify many then. see how silly your reasoning is.

so try again, try some of the other qualifications...... (smile).

the ball is again in your court.

101G.

 

[Toto]

Hmmm.... Would you care to modify your statement?

No. You are deliberately using wrong and irrelevant txt.

 

[101G]

I am too old and have had both knees replaced and spinal surgery so I can not play ball anymore.

(smile), IN YOUR MIND, "all things are possiable with God.... JUST THINK BALL... (smile).

Now, I DID NOT SAY ....""If a man desire the office of a bishop",

GOD said that my dear brother! Now since He did not say WOMEN we have to ask....WHY?????

maybe because A. women was already in that position as in Roman 16:3. and and Acts 18:24 & 25. or do you not find it strange that it do not say, if "ANYONE" desire the office, but why a man? if he, he, he, desire the office. right there it shows the office is open to all. only that if, if, if, a man desire the office.

so the BALL, (the Spiritual Ball) is still in your corner... (smile).

101G.

 

[cv5]

Your comments might be something other than completely ridiculous if Angela were American.

Tons of Canadians love B-H and support BLM.

 

[101G]

Tons of Canadians love B-H and support BLM.

what do that have to do with the topic?, stay on scripture please.

101G.

 

[Major]

First, no second ERROR of the Day. Reading and Reading with UNDERSTANDING are two different animals.

second, why complain about other, just stick with the scriptures, I can care less what the Assembly of God denomination, the Roman Catholic, baptist...ect... think, only what God intended for us to learn, and KNOW. now please no more side shows ok, lets just stay within the word of God.


now do any of these qualification are in the WORK, NO, but in the person.now is all men MARRIED? no so if this was for only married men, then God is respector of PERSON. and that makes your argument FLAWED and in ERROR.

also, do all married men have children? NO, so again you assessment fails.

blameless? G423 ἀνεπίληπτος anepileptos (a-ne-piy'-leep-tos) adj.
1. not arrested.
2. (by implication) inculpable.
[from G1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of G1949]
KJV: blameless, unrebukeable
Root(s): G1, G1949

now that right there is a dead give away. if you now are saved is NOT you old, or Past life forgiven? so if someone was arrested that disqualify many then. see how silly your reasoning is.

so try again, try some of the other qualifications...... (smile).

the ball is again in your court.

101G.

My dear friend...God bless you but all the stuff you just posted is nothing more than SMOKE screen to obscure the reality of the literal Word of God. NOTHING you posted is relative to our discussion.

Are all men married.?????? Not a serious argument.
Do all men have children??? Not a serious question.
Are ALL men blameless. That is not even in the equation al all.
Arrested??? That is not in the Scriptures either.

You see brother, those are all just conjectures in an effort to support what YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.

Here is the difference. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANY OF THOSE YPOTHECTICALS.

I only know ONE thing..........1 Timothy 3:1-2.............
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;".

I do not need to interpret that. I only need to READ it, GRASP it and FOLLOW IT.

If you do not want to do that........then DON"T! Remember, I am not the enemy! All I have done is READ the Scripture, UNDERSTAND it, Posted it and believe it. You can do the very same thing. Believe it or reject it. It is just that simple.

Game........set, and match.

 

[101G]

My dear friend...God bless you but all the stuff you just posted is nothing more than SMOKE screen to obscure the reality of the literal Word of God. NOTHING you posted is relative to our discussion.

is that's you opinion ... opinion don;t count here, stay with the scriptures.

Are all men married.?????? Not a serious argument.

that's why your assessment fails.

Do all men have children??? Not a serious question.

is it not in the qualification.... (LOL)

Are ALL men blameless. That is not even in the equation al all.

it's in the Qualifications, 1 Timothy 3:2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"
you see how your beliefs are just falling apart.

Arrested??? That is not in the Scriptures either.

it's in the definition go back and look at post #1421.

I only know ONE thing..........1 Timothy 3:1-2.............

I is no qualification for the UNDERSTANDING of the scripture, 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

I do not need to interpret that. I only need to READ it, GRASP it and FOLLOW IT.

I, I, I, see above.

If you do not want to do that........then DON"T! Remember, I am not the enemy! All I have done is READ the Scripture, UNDERSTAND it, Posted it and believe it. You can do the very same thing. Believe it or reject it. It is just that simple.

nor am I the enemy the apostle is clear, "brother I have you not igorant". please take that advice.... ok.... Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."

Game........set, and match.

"who's on first?"..... lol, lol, lol.

it just begun.

now the ball is still in your corner.... NEXT!.

101G.

 

[Major]

is that's you opinion ... opinion don;t count here, stay with the scriptures.

that's why your assessment fails.

is it not in the qualification.... (LOL)

it's in the Qualifications, 1 Timothy 3:2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"
you see how your beliefs are just falling apart.

it's in the definition go back and look at post #1421.

I is no qualification for the UNDERSTANDING of the scripture, 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

I, I, I, see above.

nor am I the enemy the apostle is clear, "brother I have you not igorant". please take that advice.... ok.... Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."

"who's on first?"..... lol, lol, lol.

it just begun.

now the ball is still in your corner.... NEXT!.

101G.

Not really......no matter what is said.....If we STICK with the Scriptures as YOU suggest we come full circle back to 1 Timothy 3:1-2....
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

WHAT DOES THE SCRITURES ACTUALLY SAY???????????

"If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband............"!

Game over!

 

[101G]

Not really......no matter what is said.....If we STICK with the Scriptures as YOU suggest we come full circle back to 1 Timothy 3:1-2....
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

WHAT DOES THE SCRITURES ACTUALLY SAY???????????

"If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband............"!

Game over!

ERROR, go back to 1 Timothy 3:1 "This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work."
checkmate,
NEXT....

101G.

 

[Dino246]

No I would not. You are deliberately taking my comments out of context. This, however, appears to be something you are already well versed in.

Nothing was taken out of context.

Since you won't take ownership of your words, I see no reason to take seriously anything you say.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not really......no matter what is said.....If we STICK with the Scriptures as YOU suggest we come full circle back to 1 Timothy 3:1-2....
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

WHAT DOES THE SCRITURES ACTUALLY SAY???????????

"If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband............"!

Game over!

They desire to be rebellious and disobedient,corrupt minds, reprobate

2 Timothy 3:7-9KJV
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

 

[Sipsey]

I am too old and have had both knees replaced and spinal surgery so I can not play ball anymore.
I used to but not now. Take a look at the team picture of the early 60's Crimson Tide.

Now, I DID NOT SAY ....""If a man desire the office of a bishop",

GOD said that my dear brother! Now since He did not say WOMEN we have to ask....WHY?????

Do you think that He did not know about the word WOMAN? NOW THAT is what is funny!!!!

If.....if God wanted women and men to be ordained as Pastors.....why in the world didn't He just say that?????

that way we would not have to read and follow His directions in 1 Timothy 2:12.........
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."

We could then also completely remove what God said in 1 Corinthians 14:34..........
"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says."

Now that Bible says in John 17:17 that truth is what God says it is...........
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

Now then......what do YOU say TRUTH is??????

Serve............

Hey Major- I can hear the roar of the crowds from Denny Stadium on a crisp Fall evening from a ridge behind me. I’m no game statistician, but the only Major I can remember is Major Ogilvie, but he was in the 70’s?

 

[Truth7t7]

ERROR, go back to 1 Timothy 3:1 "This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work."
checkmate,
NEXT....

101G.

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

2 Timothy 3:-3-5KJV
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

 

[John146]

They desire to be rebellious and disobedient,corrupt minds, reprobate

2 Timothy 3:7-9KJV
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

Churches today have gone feminine seeking after feelings instead of truth. It’s one reason bethel and furtick are so popular.

 

[Aidan1]

now, back to the qualification for "BISHOP", I have made the statement, "the ONLY BIBLICAL qualification for a bishop is "APT, or Fit to TEACH".

now if someone has any other BIBLICAL, BIBLICAL qualification for a BISHOP, I did not say a BIBLICAL qualification for a Christian, but for the BISHOP.

if so please list them from this list found in 1 Timothy 3.

so lets discuss the scriptures.

PICJAG, 2101G

You found one! I found in 1. Tim. 3 14 qualifications:
Blameless, husband of one wife, vigilant, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach, not given to Wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre, but patient, not a brawler, not covetous, one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity,

 

[Major]

Hey Major- I can hear the roar of the crowds from Denny Stadium on a crisp Fall evening from a ridge behind me. I’m no game statistician, but the only Major I can remember is Major Ogilvie, but he was in the 70’s?

Well that is not me. Is there anything better than a football game in Denny Stadium?????? YES......Birmingham!!!!!

The name "Major" was given to me after my great grandfather who was a Major in the Confederate army.
He served in General Livingston's 8th Calvary Regiment.

He was given that rank because he owned about 3000 acres of land around Gadsden Al.

I won a Confederate army hat at a local county fair and my grandfather started calling me Major and it stuck.

 

[Major]

You found one! I found in 1. Tim. 3 14 qualifications:
Blameless, husband of one wife, vigilant, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach, not given to Wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre, but patient, not a brawler, not covetous, one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity,

1. Tim. 3 14 qualifications:
Blameless, husband of one wife, vigilant, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach, not given to Wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre, but patient, not a brawler, not covetous, one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity,

 

[bellemira]

First thanks for the reply, second, my imagination, nor my opinion is forbidden, and here's why, 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

so anyone's imagination, or imaginations don't count, only the Facts, and they are WRITTEN in the bible. so we need to stick to Facts only. now if there is something I wrote that do not aling with the scriptures, then you may point out the mistake, but we will not argue at all, but only discuss. arguing is useless, but discussing is edifying for all the saints.

so lets discuss and not argue,

thanks in advance,
PICJAG, 101G.

There is a very historical reason why he said that. Women of that era were generally not allowed to learn, to read, or other things to enrich their lives. Christianity broke that taboo.

Every Jewish person knew that disciples to a rabbi were to "learn in silence, or more properly, "in quietness." To be a disciple, you had to honour the system, which started with learning in silence.

When women were set free to learn, Paul honoured them by saying they were "to learn in silence." In other words, he was saying, " learn like a disciple to a rabbi!" In silence. So sad people don't understand the context, and the fact that Paul was encouraging women to learn at all. This really was the beginning of the new covenant, which set people free to follow Christ!

So true. If only more people were familiar with the various types of context in Scripture they would learn a lot more.


https://e360bible.org/blog/understanding-literary-context-in-the-bible/

 

[Dino246]

No I would not. You are deliberately taking my comments out of context. This, however, appears to be something you are already well versed in.

No. You are deliberately using wrong and irrelevant txt.

Here are the post numbers that trace back and show clearly that I did not quote you out of context.

1288 you stated "She does not need to acquire the role of pastor. The Bible clearly says that a woman should not take such a position."
1293 my initial inquiry as to the location of that verse
1300 your response of 1 tim 2:12 - 2:14
1301 my statement that "pastor" does not appear there
1304 your complaint about "squabbling over etymology"
1323 my response stating the need for biblical terms
1332 your claim, "I have used the precise words of the Bible by quoting directly from it."
1336 my restatement regarding the term, "pastor" and request for the exact quotation
1339 your response stating, "I have already provided the Bible reference pertinent to this debate"
1399 my explanation as to why I asked for the quotation
1406 your response stating, "I didnt claim it said anything. I merely provided the chapter and verse to refer to."

Which brings us to 1409, my invitation for you to change your statement.

You have no defense. You do, however, have the opportunity to make things right with an acknowledgement and an apology.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Matt 7:23
And then I will declare unto them, 'I never knew you; depart you from Me, those working lawlessness.'

You're not understanding this text. These people were "lawbreakers" because Jesus hadn't Circumcised their Hearts . . . that's why Jesus viewed them according to the Law . . . the Law which only Christ sets free for His Children. How does Jesus do these things? Read Colossians 2:9-15.