So, instantly, huh? What about the commands for believers to NOT grieve (Eph 4:30) or quench (1 Thess 5:19) the Spirit.
How is either of those an "instant manifestation" of the Spirit?
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How is either of those an "instant manifestation" of the Spirit?
That wasn't regeneration. He was regenerated way before that, else he couldn't please God.
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I do think people forget something
We can not earn salvation, But we can earn condemnation.
We are saved by grace, period. But we can reject grace.
It is not that we are saved BY faith, We are not. But that we are NOT saved by rejecting the grace gift.
He who believes is not condemned. But he who does not believe is condemned ALREADY.
It is rejection in unbelief that condemns a person.
yes your born condemned, but in the end, you are condemned because you rejected grace,
We can not earn salvation, But we can earn condemnation.
We are saved by grace, period. But we can reject grace.
It is not that we are saved BY faith, We are not. But that we are NOT saved by rejecting the grace gift.
He who believes is not condemned. But he who does not believe is condemned ALREADY.
It is rejection in unbelief that condemns a person.
Jesus paid the penalty of sin for all
yes your born condemned, but in the end, you are condemned because you rejected grace,
One cant believe if they in the flesh. Cant you read Rom 8:8. Faith pleases God read Heb 11:6
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And where in the word does it say a person can be made alive while remaining unjustified? Basically alive while still in sin?
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Oh? Abraham did, as did david, as have all OT saints,
in fact, I believed while I was still in the flesh as Christ led me down the path through the narrow gate
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We please God through faith, not through some magical regeneration pill
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Nope
he is describing how those who are dead in Christ are made alive, for by grace we hav been saved through faith..
Cornelius was regenerated and a righteous man. A person in the flesh cant please seek God Rom 8:8
Abraham and David and all the OT Saints were born again or they could not have pleased God Rom 8:8
Where is that taught in the Bible? I know where it is taught outside of the Bible.
Eph 2:5 equates regeneration (being made alive) with salvation (have been saved). So, they go together. Can't have one without the other.
And Eph 2:8 says salvation is by grace THROUGH FAITH. That proves that faith MUST BE PRESENT for salvation, and therefore, regeneration.
This isn't even debateable. The 2 verses are quite clear.
To argue this is to argue against the Bible.
Huh, you really don't pay attention. Acts 11:14 proves that Cornelius wasn't saved before Peter came to visit and preach to him.
Why do you argue against the Bible?
Eh 2:5 equates regeneration with salvation. They go together. Cornelius was regenerated WHEN he believed the gospel message and received the Holy Spirit.
No he wasn't, the scriptures say that he received the Holy Spirit in Acts 10/ 11 . Was that just for show?
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.( Rom 8 )
Was Paul regenerated prior to Acts 9 ? He believed God ,was blameless in the law ,from the tribe of Benjamin ect ? Why was Cornelius regenerated ( according to you ) and Paul not .. Paul was at least a Jew .
It doesn't say they can't believe. No where says this.
God is pleased to save those that believe, not cause belief in those he saves. (1 Cor. 1:21; Rom. 10:9-10)
You don't have any verse that directly SAYS what you believe. That should alarm you .
A righteous man is saved. Acts 10:22
And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
Yes he was born again ! And he belonged to Christ Why you think Christ sent Peter to him to preach to him, to feed His Sheep.