Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

[Truth7t7]

Thanks for your reply, if there is something I posted that you didn't understand, please ask, and we can discuss it.

PICJAG, 101G.

No Need To Discuss Anything, Gods Words Are Very Clear Concerning A Womans Role In The Church.

Women are to remain silent in the church, let alone being a Bishop/Pastor/Deacon

You aren't changing Gods words below, or my opinion of them, simple

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Truth7t7]

Sadly, that one will ignore what you've posted and repeat his own posts. Save yourself the effort.

You mean repost Gods words of truth, to remove your teachings in error.

Women are to remain silent in the church, let alone being a Bishop/Pastor/Deacon

You aren't changing Gods words below, or my opinion of them, simple

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[cv5]

JESUS IS RISEN!!

And I say that with authority.

Great statement. No issue there. Unless you do so from a raised pulpit to a mixed ekklesia of men and women. And worse subsequent begin to sermonize.

 

[101G]

If I may suggest, I would like to get to the heart of the matter. question, are Pastors, A. Called, B. Sent, or C. Given?
the reason why I ask is because, I would like to concentrate on the "WORK". not a prestige in a office holder.

so are pastors A. Called, B. Sent, or C. Given?

PICJAG, 101G

 

[cv5]

Within the context of the Church, no Christian should be giving commands to any other (adult) Christian, regardless of gender.

What you say is preposterous. I am deeply concerned that you are being led away into error. Such is the state of the liberal post-modern Church.

1Co 7:10 - Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband.

2Th 3:4 - And we have confidence in the Lord concerning you, both that you do and will do the things we command you.

2Th 3:6 - But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he[fn] received from us.

2Th 3:12 - Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.

1Ti 4:11 - These things command and teach.

1Ti 5:7 - And these things command, that they may be blameless.

1Ti 6:17 - Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives us richly all things to enjoy.

Phm 1:8 - Therefore, though I might be very bold in Christ to command you what is fitting,

 

[Dino246]

What you say is preposterous. I am deeply concerned that you are being led away into error. Such is the state of the liberal post-modern Church.

For a relatively intelligent person, your propensity to jump to ridiculous conclusions is alarming. Such is the state of the closed-minded, self-righteous Christian. At least you have plenty of company on this board.

Why is it so easy for you and others to assume the absolute worst possible interpretation for someone's comment?

 

[Truth7t7]

JESUS IS RISEN!!

And I say that with authority.

Not within the church and its order do you speak if your a female

Women are to remain silent in the church, let alone being a Bishop/Pastor/Deacon

You aren't changing Gods words below, or my opinion of them, simple

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[101G]

Not within the church and its order do you speak if your a female

where there two or three gather in my name, I'm in the mist, for we are the church, not some building of wood or bicks, and steel.

well, we are gathered, and women are speaking......... it's amazing how people own word are starring them right in their faces.

PICJAG, 101G

 

[Truth7t7]

If I may suggest, I would like to get to the heart of the matter. question, are Pastors, A. Called, B. Sent, or C. Given?
the reason why I ask is because, I would like to concentrate on the "WORK". not a prestige in a office holder.

so are pastors A. Called, B. Sent, or C. Given?

PICJAG, 101G

The Topic Is (Are Women Pastors Biblical?)

Start your own thread on the topic you present, hijacking not allowed

 

[101G]

The Topic Is (Are Women Pastors Biblical?)

Start your own thread on the topic you present.

correct, so are Pastors A. Called, B. Sent, or C. Given?

I can take it you have no idea? this is my point, Pastoring is a "GIFT", and if one understand that, then God gifts are for everyone, and it makes no difference of Gender as to the WORK in the MINISTRY.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Truth7t7]

where there two or three gather in my name, I'm in the mist, for we are the church, not some building of wood or bicks, and steel.

well, we are gathered, and women are speaking......... it's amazing how people own word are starring them right in their faces.

PICJAG, 101G

You Fight Against God And His Clear Words Below, Not Against Me

Women are to remain silent in the church, let alone being a Bishop/Pastor/Deacon

You aren't changing Gods words below, or my opinion of them, simple

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Truth7t7]

correct, so are Pastors A. Called, B. Sent, or C. Given?

I can take it you have no idea? this is my point, Pastoring is a "GIFT", and if one understand that, then God gifts are for everyone, and it makes no difference of Gender as to the WORK in the MINISTRY.

PICJAG, 101G.

Females do not have a God given gift of being a Bishop/Pastor/Deacon and leading the church, its sermons, and the Lords supper, its contrary to Gods words below.

You continue to rebel against the very clear words of God below.

Women are to remain silent in the church, let alone being a Bishop/Pastor/Deacon

You aren't changing Gods words below, or my opinion of them, simple

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[cv5]

For a relatively intelligent person, your propensity to jump to ridiculous conclusions is alarming. Such is the state of the closed-minded, self-righteous Christian. At least you have plenty of company on this board.

Why is it so easy for you and others to assume the absolute worst possible interpretation for someone's comment?

Well then....tell us what you REALLY meant. It seemed so concise I dared not read into it more than what was stated.

 

[101G]

You Fight Against God And His Clear Words Below, Not Against Me

Women are to remain silent in the church, let alone being a Bishop/Pastor/Deacon

You aren't changing Gods words below, or my opinion of them, simple

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

first thanks for the reply, second, this is why Pastors are important in the body of christ,
Ephesians 4:11 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;"
Ephesians 4:12 "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"
Ephesians 4:13 "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:"
Ephesians 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;"
Ephesians 4:15 "But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:"

understand, what you're saying is an argument from ignorance. "Women/WIVES are to remain silent in the church", but other women can speak is this what you're saying? for the term "Woman here, is the Greek word,
G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n.
1. a woman.
2. (specially) a wife.
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman
Root(s): G1096

and we know that this is speaking about "Wives" because of the very next verse, 1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

understand, if the apostle whould have used the term,
G2338 θήλυς thelus (thee'-lïs) adj.
female.
[from thele (the nipple)]
KJV: female, woman

then all women including married and none married. but since the term G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') is used, and verse
35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." so your ARGUMENT "FAILS".

see the reasoning behind your argument? it's Flawed, and INCORRECT.

now if you care to discuss these facts, I'm game, else you're statement is nothing but an argument from ignorance.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Truth7t7]

For a relatively intelligent person, your propensity to jump to ridiculous conclusions is alarming. Such is the state of the closed-minded, self-righteous Christian. At least you have plenty of company on this board.

Why is it so easy for you and others to assume the absolute worst possible interpretation for someone's comment?

2 Peter 2:18-19KJV
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

 

[101G]

Females do not have a God given gift of being a Bishop/Pastor/Deacon and leading the church, its sermons, and the Lords supper, its contrary to Gods words below.

thanks for the reply, lets see, 1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal."
1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;"

here, the very first Gift on the List is the Pastoral "GIFT", or the Work of the Spirit in us, whom he has chossen, for this work.
now, is God a respector of Persons, and is the Gift of the Holy Spirit here is only for MALES, is this what you're saying?

lets discuss.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Dino246]

Well then....tell us what you REALLY meant. It seemed so concise I dared not read into it more than what was stated.

Yet you did read far more into it than what was stated. I'll let you do some thinking on it. Maybe you can figure out what I meant, in the context of your statement to which I responded.

 

[Dino246]

The Topic Is (Are Women Pastors Biblical?)

Start your own thread on the topic you present, hijacking not allowed

Not allowed by whom? Where is that in the sites rules?

 

[Truth7t7]

first thanks for the reply, second, this is why Pastors are important in the body of christ,
Ephesians 4:11 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;"
Ephesians 4:12 "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"
Ephesians 4:13 "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:"
Ephesians 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;"
Ephesians 4:15 "But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:"

understand, what you're saying is an argument from ignorance. "Women/WIVES are to remain silent in the church", but other women can speak is this what you're saying? for the term "Woman here, is the Greek word,
G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n.
1. a woman.
2. (specially) a wife.
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman
Root(s): G1096

and we know that this is speaking about "Wives" because of the very next verse, 1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

understand, if the apostle whould have used the term,
G2338 θήλυς thelus (thee'-lïs) adj.
female.
[from thele (the nipple)]
KJV: female, woman

then all women including married and none married. but since the term G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') is used, and verse
35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." so your ARGUMENT "FAILS".

see the reasoning behind your argument? it's Flawed, and INCORRECT.

now if you care to discuss these facts, I'm game, else you're statement is nothing but an argument from ignorance.

PICJAG, 101G.

Women, Both Married And Unmarried.

You continue to rebel against the very clear words of God below.

Women are to remain silent in the church, let alone being a Bishop/Pastor/Deacon

You aren't changing Gods words below, or my opinion of them, simple

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

 

[101G]

Women, Both Married And Unmarried.

1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

NOW THINK, do all women in church have husband? your answer please.

PICJAG, 101G.