How to be Born Again

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brightfame52

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What a weak response. The verses actually SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

ALL the verses clearly stated the PURPOSE of election, and NONE of them mentioned salvation.

And, where are your verses that link election to salvation?

If you disagree with my verses being about election to service, why haven't you even tried to explain what they mean?

Is there a spiritual inability to?
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You havent proved nothing you can quote scripture, thats it. Any unbeliever cn quote scripture, but cant explain it.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Nope, he was regenerated in order please God, else he could not please God Rom 8:8
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Yes I see your approach to scripture . Its kinda like how some just say " Jesus " to every bible question.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Nope, he was regenerated in order please God, else he could not please God Rom 8:8
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So he was regenerated before he received the Holy Spirit which is the only way a person can be regenerated. And that makes sense to you ?
 
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brightfame52

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Got some news for you. Even believers who are out of fellowship cannot please God. Rom 8:8 applies to believers.

Ever heard of "grieving the Spirit" or "quenching the Spirit"? Those verses were written to believers, and they were told to NOT do those things.

Were you aware of that?


Believers who grieve and/or quench the Spirit are acting fleshly. Paul even accused the Corinthian believers of being "in the flesh", or carnal.


Did you even read the verse? Well, let's do that.

And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

Do you understand what "comes to Him" means? It means in faith.

The verse also tells us what man MUST BELIEVE in order to come to Him:
1. that He exists
2. that He reward those who earnestly seek Him

Where is election in that verse? It is non-existent.

And you are free to provide your own understanding and refute mine, if able.
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So if believers can be out of fellowship and not please God, How much more so for an unbeliever whose in the flesh ? Its impossible for them to please God, therefore Faith in Christ is impossible for the unbeliever in the flesh !
 
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brightfame52

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throughfaith said:
So he was regenerated before he received the Holy Spirit which is the only way a person can be regenerated. And that makes sense to you ?
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Yes, he was regenerated before the Holy Spirit came upon him. When the Holy Spirit came upon them , that wasnt regeneration or new birth, that was an outward manifestation to the jews that God had accepted the Gentiles as well as the jews, had nothing to do with being born again.
 
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throughfaith

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brightfame52 said:
Yes, he was regenerated before the Holy Spirit came upon him. When the Holy Spirit came upon them , that wasnt regeneration or new birth, that was an outward manifestation to the jews that God had accepted the Gentiles as well as the jews, had nothing to do with being born again.
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So with this logic of yours, was Paul regenerated whilst he was killing Christians? Was he regenerated prior to his conversion? What makes Paul different to Cornelius. Paul was a God beleiving ,law observing Jew .
 
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throughfaith

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brightfame52 said:
Yes, he was regenerated before the Holy Spirit came upon him. When the Holy Spirit came upon them , that wasnt regeneration or new birth, that was an outward manifestation to the jews that God had accepted the Gentiles as well as the jews, had nothing to do with being born again.
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If i could frame your response I'd hang it on my wall . Absolutely priceless lol 😆
 
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throughfaith

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brightfame52 said:
Yes, he was regenerated before the Holy Spirit came upon him. When the Holy Spirit came upon them , that wasnt regeneration or new birth, that was an outward manifestation to the jews that God had accepted the Gentiles as well as the jews, had nothing to do with being born again.
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With this answer it shows your too ideologically possessed my friend . This answer has to be THE best example of post hoc rationalization I've ever seen lol 😆 😂
 
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throughfaith

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brightfame52 said:
Yes, he was regenerated before the Holy Spirit came upon him. When the Holy Spirit came upon them , that wasnt regeneration or new birth, that was an outward manifestation to the jews that God had accepted the Gentiles as well as the jews, had nothing to do with being born again.
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So John 7 here
38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Is this referring to Acts 2 or not ?
And what is an example of someone being regenerated in the bible, could you point to one please? The description?
 
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throughfaith

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brightfame52 said:
Yes if Jesus gives them a new birth and they no longer in the flesh.
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Could you point to one example of someone being regenerated from the bible please? My example would be Cornelius . We literally read the account of it happening to him . Could you give an example other than " well he could not do or believe such and such unless he was regenerated " ( post hoc rationalization) ? My other example would be Paul. You probably believe Paul was already regenerated prior Acts 9 ?
 
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