Not By Works

[posthuman]

In John 3:19 KJV, the word is "AGAPAO" which means "to prefer". The word occurs 110 times in the New Testament, specifically for behavior between people.

In Matthew 24:12, KJV, the word is "AGAPE" which means "unconditional love of God"

no, m8.
that's just a verb form and noun form of exactly the same word, for which you are making up your own private definitions to suit yourself.

and in KJV it's not agape. it's love/charity. the NT is Greek. the KJV is not the scripture; it's a translation into the foreign Babel we happen to speak natively.

but let's not going any further down your little arguing-over-words-to-destroy-the-hearer rabbithole.
you are wrong on this point; it is established.

 

[Phoneman-777]

of course you are a kjv only dude.

should have saw that a long time ago.

Sorry, but I'm a "Textus Receptus only" dude. The Critical Text, though in many places renders the Greek more clearly, contains many blatant deliberate errors and was weaponized by the papacy as an attack on Christ's divinity and His truth, which is why I read anything based upon it with extreme suspicion.

 

[Phoneman-777]

no, m8.
that's just a verb form and noun form of exactly the same word, for which you are making up your own private definitions to suit yourself.

and in KJV it's not agape. it's love/charity. the NT is Greek. the KJV is not the scripture; it's a translation into the foreign Babel we happen to speak natively.

but let's not going any further down your little arguing-over-words-to-destroy-the-hearer rabbithole.
you are wrong on this point; it is established.

I'm not making up ANYTHING private. They are two similar Greek words with totally different meanings. Please look it up for yourself. Strong's says the root is probably "agan", G5368, NOT AGAPE.

The one means "to prefer" and the other means "unconditional Godly love". You're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

 

[posthuman]

I'm not making up ANYTHING private. They are two similar Greek words with totally different meanings. Please look it up for yourself. Strong's says the root is probably "agan", G5368, NOT AGAPE.

The one means "to prefer" and the other means "unconditional Godly love". You're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

for God so preferred the world?
the greatest commandments are to prefer God and prefer your neighbor?
a new commandment I give you, that you prefer one another as I have preferred you?

mkay.

 

[Phoneman-777]

for God so preferred the world?
the greatest commandments are to prefer God and prefer your neighbor?

mkay.

Are you really trying to make an equivalence between the love of God toward the world with the selfish love of sinners?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't have any pride to lay aside....however, if people laid aside their rebellion and fully surrendered to Jesus, then they wouldn't need a OSAS License to Sin, now would they?

Osas does not teach license to sin

which proves your pride, because you refuse to acknowledge what eternal security teaches

now of course if you had true faith in God, and his power to change, you would not need your self righteous legalistic look at me and how good I am pharisee gospel of works. You would join the rest of us who have true victory

 

[tribesman]

I read this thread with interest, there is currently a good tone here and some patience among those debating. Far from what I've encountered in other threads (and also in this thread earlier).

Was I a mod I would use the broom often.

 

[posthuman]

I'm not making up ANYTHING private. They are two similar Greek words with totally different meanings. Please look it up for yourself. Strong's says the root is probably "agan", G5368, NOT AGAPE.

The one means "to prefer" and the other means "unconditional Godly love". You're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

let me settle this for you once and for all, because it is not good for you to go on believing lies.

1 John 4:7

let us love one another, for love is of God

verb there is agapao
noun is agape

done.

 

[JBTN]

Are the "many" whose agape grows cold saints or sinners?

Are the "many" whose agape grows cold within them saints or sinners? This is the crux of the issue.

Nothing here indicates that the many are exclusively Saints.

Think about agape in these instances:

“For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/2co.5.14.kjv

Christ loved (agape) all, saints and sinners alike, he died for all.

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/jhn.15.13.kjv

No doubt Jesus was thinking of the sacrifice he was going to make, but he explained it by talking about the love a man has for his friends.

“Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/rom.13.10.kjv

Agape between neighbors. Not necessarily between Christians.

 

[CherieR]

Sorry, but I'm a "Textus Receptus only" dude. The Critical Text, though in many places renders the Greek more clearly, contains many blatant deliberate errors and was weaponized by the papacy as an attack on Christ's divinity and His truth, which is why I read anything based upon it with extreme suspicion.

The NKJV and MEV bible also are inspired by the KJV if you may be interested in checking those version out. The KJV is a beautiful bible and can’t be beat for it’s poetic language in my opinion.

 

[posthuman]

I read this thread with interest, there is currently a good tone here and some patience among those debating. Far from what I've encountered in other threads (and also in this thread earlier).

Was I a mod I would use the broom often.

this thread is a like a field with a treasure hidden in it -- there are many weeds, swampy places, unpotable water and barren patches of dirt, but there are also amazing testimonies and great wisdom sprinkled throughout



i am sorry that David ((Dcontroversial)) was removed -- but i understand it; he was becoming bitter and mean-spirited. i wish i had done more to persuade him to be kind

 

[Phoneman-777]

Osas does not teach license to sin

which proves your pride, because you refuse to acknowledge what eternal security teaches

now of course if you had true faith in God, and his power to change, you would not need your self righteous legalistic look at me and how good I am pharisee gospel of works. You would join the rest of us who have true victory

You continually claim my position is motivated by "pride", which is a violation of "judge not" which is to pass judgment on another's motives and/or eternal destiny. Please stop and let's just stick with Scripture, shall we?

 

[Phoneman-777]

The NKJV and MEV bible also are inspired by the KJV if you may be interested in checking those version out. The KJV is a beautiful bible and can’t be beat for it’s poetic language in my opinion.

Actually, the NKJV is based on the Critical Text - it deviates from the TR 1200 times, more than the NIV.

 

[CherieR]

Actually, the NKJV is based on the Critical Text - it deviates from the TR 1200 times, more than the NIV.

Really? What about the MEV?

 

[Phoneman-777]

I read this thread with interest, there is currently a good tone here and some patience among those debating. Far from what I've encountered in other threads (and also in this thread earlier).

Was I a mod I would use the broom often.

Well, except for a few who keep attacking the character of others...only serves to show how spiritually immature they are, though they claim to have a corner on the market of "love and compassion".

 

[Phoneman-777]

Really? What about the MEV?

TBH, pretty much all new versions are based on the CT - just about everything after the close of the 19th century. In the late 1800s, after the CT came out, the Jehovah's Witnesses were handed a thick black pen as they entered the churches and were told to cross out all the texts in their KJVs as they were directed. Eventually, they printed up their NWT and the rest was history.

 

[posthuman]

Well, except for a few who keep attacking the character of others...only serves to show how spiritually immature they are, though they claim to have a corner on the market of "love and compassion".

would that be anything like the guy who keeps saying we love, practice, teach and excuse sin, for no other reason than that we do not doubt God's faithfulness to keep us and complete the work He began in us?





**poke**

 

[tribesman]

Well, except for a few who keep attacking the character of others...only serves to show how spiritually immature they are, though they claim to have a corner on the market of "love and compassion".

Sounds familiar to me. I can relate to that from other forums, you mention words such as "law" and "obey" and soon you have a bunch of "lovey-doveys" throwing rocks at you. So much for that "tolerance and understanding" they like to talk about.

Anyways, serious discussions are edifying whilst pie throwing just get draining. Not really useful to anyone reading it. The former is very rare here.

 

[Phoneman-777]

let me settle this for you once and for all, because it is not good for you to go on believing lies.

1 John 4:7

let us love one another, for love is of God

verb there is agapao
noun is agape

done.

That's fine for the saints...can unconverted sinners partake of agape while carnally minded?

 

[Phoneman-777]

would that be anything like the guy who keeps saying we love, practice, teach and excuse sin, for no other reason than that we do not doubt God's faithfulness to keep us and complete the work He began in us?





**poke**

I never said OSAS folks doubt God's faithfulness...I said they are deceived by a false doctrine. So, no, it's nothing like that.