Does anyone understand
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I realized this is a common doctrine held by people who wants to believe that all the OT saints are currently in heaven.
You don't believe that our true identity is our spirit?
The body you and I are living in right now is only a house that contains that spirit.
We will leave the this corrupted house behind when Jesus returns again (1 Cor 15:50-55)
You don't believe that our true identity is our spirit?
The body you and I are living in right now is only a house that contains that spirit.
We will leave the this corrupted house behind when Jesus returns again (1 Cor 15:50-55)
Yes - Jesus! 
There is only one Gospel - the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
And, Paul preached and taught that very same one-and-only Gospel to the gentiles.
There is only one Gospel - the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
And, Paul preached and taught that very same one-and-only Gospel to the gentiles.
I am fine, its such a popular doctrine here that I have learn to agree to disagree
But for me, I prefer to think in terms of this https://christianchat.com/threads/prophecy-vs-mystery-since-the-world-began.186597/post-3994990
Normally, a book title describes what it is about and not the intended audience.
I could write a book called 'Christianity' - intended to be read by athiests - to help them understand what Christianity is all about.
I could write a book called 'Athiests' - intended to be read by Christians - to help them be a better witness to athiests.
The title of a book does not automatically indicate the intended audience; however, it should indicate in some way something to which the contents is related.
I could write a book called 'Christianity' - intended to be read by athiests - to help them understand what Christianity is all about.
I could write a book called 'Athiests' - intended to be read by Christians - to help them be a better witness to athiests.
The title of a book does not automatically indicate the intended audience; however, it should indicate in some way something to which the contents is related.
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God WANTS a relationship with us so much that He prepared a sacrifice to save us..... yet, what is man that God is mindful of him?
Why create all these world, realms, universes, galaxies, angelic beings, demonic beings, the unseen and the seen.....and He WANTS His creation to KNOW and LOVE Him.....if we don’t, the “fire of His jealousy” gets kindled...
Sounds to me He absolutely refuses to live without us.... God can feel loneliness and He doesn’t like it.
Why create all these world, realms, universes, galaxies, angelic beings, demonic beings, the unseen and the seen.....and He WANTS His creation to KNOW and LOVE Him.....if we don’t, the “fire of His jealousy” gets kindled...
Sounds to me He absolutely refuses to live without us.... God can feel loneliness and He doesn’t like it.
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No - it would not.
None of those verses indicate any restrictions concerning to whom the Gospel message is intended.
The comment Jesus made in the Matthew verse is specific to His role in the overall plan of God and the time-of-the-moment. (first to Jew, then to Gentile; the crucifixion needed to happen before Gospel was sent out to the Gentiles)
No - you are not.
Paul was the apostle of the Gentiles - not the savior of the Gentiles.
Jesus is the Savior of all who will believe upon His name and trust Him.
One Gospel message.
Paul was simply a conveyer of that Gospel message to the Gentiles.
None of those verses indicate any restrictions concerning to whom the Gospel message is intended.
The comment Jesus made in the Matthew verse is specific to His role in the overall plan of God and the time-of-the-moment. (first to Jew, then to Gentile; the crucifixion needed to happen before Gospel was sent out to the Gentiles)
No - you are not.
Paul was the apostle of the Gentiles - not the savior of the Gentiles.
Jesus is the Savior of all who will believe upon His name and trust Him.
One Gospel message.
Paul was simply a conveyer of that Gospel message to the Gentiles.
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The "importance" of the passage is that the verses reveal the contrast between old covenant and new covenant. At the time Hebrews was written, the temple was still standing and there were some who held to the old covenant sacrificial system.
Hebrews 12:18 - 24 shows the contrast between Sinai (old covenant - earthly) and Zion (new covenant - heavenly):
From David Guzik's Commentary at Blue Letter Bible:
And then once we understand the contrast, we are warned to not refuse the voice of Him Who calls and we are encouraged:
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear
Hebrews 12:18 - 24 shows the contrast between Sinai (old covenant - earthly) and Zion (new covenant - heavenly):
From David Guzik's Commentary at Blue Letter Bible:
· Mount Sinai was marked by fear and terror – Mount Zion is a place of love and forgiveness.
· Mount Sinai is in the desert – Mount Zion is the city of the Living God
· Mount Sinai spoke of earthly things – Mount Zion speaks of heavenly things.
· At Mount Sinai, only Moses was allowed to draw near to God – at Mount Zion, an innumerable company, a general assembly is invited to draw near.
· Mount Sinai was characterized by guilty men in fear – Mount Zion features just men made perfect.
· At Mount Sinai, Moses was the mediator – at Mount Zion, Jesus is the mediator.
· Mount Sinai brings an Old Covenant, which was ratified by the blood of animals – Mount Zion brings a New Covenant, which is ratified by the blood of God’s precious Son.
· Mount Sinai was all about exclusion, keeping people away from the mountain – Mount Zion is all about invitation.
· Mount Sinai is all about Law – Mount Zion is all about grace.
And then once we understand the contrast, we are warned to not refuse the voice of Him Who calls and we are encouraged:
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear
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It's referring to Gen 4:4 where God had respect unto Abel and to his offering. This is the first record of man bringing an offering to God. Both Cain and Abel brought their offerings. Cain's offering was not accepted.
Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering
We are come to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel (Heb 12:24).
The sprinkling of the blood of Jesus, the mediator of the new covenant, is more excellent than Abel's offering, even though Abel obtained witness that he was righteous:
Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering
We are come to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel (Heb 12:24).
The sprinkling of the blood of Jesus, the mediator of the new covenant, is more excellent than Abel's offering, even though Abel obtained witness that he was righteous:
Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
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