Call it self-will if you like. The old, natural, unregenerate man has no self-will to respond to or follow God. He is at enmity with God, a child of wrath. For him the gospel is foolishness. All this is scripture, and you know that.
Yes, I know, and you may also know I agree
However, even the regenerated person operates under self will at times.
Again: do NOT confuse, confound or MIX the old and new man with one another. The old man is at enmity with God, whilst the new man may at times struggle with his flesh but has that new nature within him that delights in the law.Yes, I know, and you may also know I agree
The dead cannot choose before they have been raised, can they? It's God who take that initiative and it's a monergistic work. We are but mere passive recipients of an undeserved pardon. So it hangs not upon the old man's "ability" to be smarter than others to "choose the right". It's God's choice.
But If you don't obey the law perfectly then your Imperfect obedience will not be acceptable, although the law Is GODs perfect standard of righteousness you are carnal and will be brought Into captivity to sin because of the weakness of the flesh.
I already said, God makes it possible.
I'm completely the opposite on this. Calvinists think they have some how over come these hard things . These tuff truths that other mere mortals don't have the stomach for . My issue with Calvinism is that its terrible only because of lack of scriptures that say any of its 5 points .
Children are considered innocent until they reach an age where they can form intent. So very person at a point in time chooses to sin.
More likely you are asking questions have no definite answer and are speculative.
Again you impress upon others that which you find in yourself. Judging me based on your own faults.
Give me something other than election to believe that you are saved. You could only have a head knowledge of Christ.
Again you find in others the faults that are your own. Calvinism is a false religious system.
You have not given any evidence that you have a biblical soteriology. You claim to be elect but your concept of election is based on a false understanding of scripture. Then you accuse others to cover your own poor doctrine. So much of the same unbelief as was found in Israel who was the elect among the nations. Nothing more to say if you were not called to Christ and submitted yourself to Him for salvation.
If you read my post carefully you would have seen that I do not agree with that. Not when it comes to unregenerate man.
Are you saying that when we decide to accept Christ and become a new man, then God takes away our right to make any more choices? I do no believe that could possibly be true..
No, I have not said that. The new man may have his choices, as God gives him ability. But the old man cannot choose to become a new man, out of his own free will , more than a dead man can choose to become raised from the dead. The choice of that matter is solely at the hands of the one who has power to raise someone from the dead.
Do you choose as a regenerated person to believe or not? To surrender to God?
Faith comes as a fruit of regeneration.
An inevitable result or fruit of regeneration is faith and embracing the Lord. It can't be any other way around.
Eh? What in my comprehension do you mean suffer? It was not me who asked you something that you had already stated, was it? (Hope you'll not resort into pie throwing).
So, here is comprehension issues. I already said in several posts here that this is not a choosing matter as for our old man. What is unclear in that to you?
Why is it so unclear to you that I am not speaking of the un-regenerated person? You keep inserting them into the convo and then claiming I don't understand something when it is you who fails to comprehend. It seems you just don't want to answer the question.
Miss, we can bounce this back and forth for hours on end. What is unclear to you in my reply post #392? It would be totally unnatural for the regenerate person NOT to believe, NOT to surrender. So, it wouldn't happen. Negative.
That's not what scripture teaches. Faith comes by hearing the word of God. God uses the foolishness of preaching to bring men to salvation.
That is not unclear to me at all, so you wrongly assume, falsely accuse, and continually project your lack of comprehension ono me. Since you refuse to answer my question, why should I answer yours? What church I attend has nothing to do with any of this
Red herring.
Where is my false accusation? And about what? Are you getting angry about something and if so, why?
The term "choose" I believe is not altogether applicable actually, but if one wants to use that term then the answer is that such choosing would always be positive. No regenerated person would choose to not believe.
Would someone who claimed to be regenerate "choose" not to believe then that person cannot have been regenerate.
It is relevant (where people "come from" doctrinally and fellowship-wise) when discussing important doctrine. At these boards however there are plenty of "lonely sailors", who are by themselves and reject just about everyone and everything else and have their own mix of private doctrines. Hence I ask sometimes where people are "coming from".... What church I attend has nothing to do with any of this
