Why Do Christians Ignore Most of the Old Testament Rules?

[throughfaith]

The gospel is not “bla, bla, bla, bla.” Christ's death was purposed from before the foundation of the world to pay the sin debt of those who would believe by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood. To non-believers, this is absolute nonsense at which they mock and scoff. To believers, it is reason to love and glorify God, and in acknowledging Him for Who He is, being grateful for what He has done for us.

The non-believer interprets this as us being brainwashed, believing in fairy tales, having an "invisible friend," etc etc etc

I'm going with the kjv that says the 'preaching '( method) is deemed foolish and not with the majority translations which say the 'message ' is deemed foolish . The majority is never a wise choice in any field . lol
For the PREACHING of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Paul Preached in much 'power '

 

[throughfaith]

The gospel is not “bla, bla, bla, bla.” Christ's death was purposed from before the foundation of the world to pay the sin debt of those who would believe by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood. To non-believers, this is absolute nonsense at which they mock and scoff. To believers, it is reason to love and glorify God, and in acknowledging Him for Who He is, being grateful for what He has done for us.

The non-believer interprets this as us being brainwashed, believing in fairy tales, having an "invisible friend," etc etc etc

What about Cornelius? And those bereans ?

 

[oyster67]

The OT laws are typically a topic that comes up in most Bible forums.

And the confusion and contention that often follows surprises me, because the Word very succinctly addresses this issue for NT believers. We are freed from the curse of the Law by the Blood of Jesus. That is what the Gospel is all about. We live in Christian liberty once we are come under the Blood...
Galatians
3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:
3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


Our commands are now summarized into just two...
Matthew
22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The Law still has a purpose and place, but no longer condemns those who are alive in Christ...
Galatians
3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.
3:21 [Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[throughfaith]

The gospel is not “bla, bla, bla, bla.” Christ's death was purposed from before the foundation of the world to pay the sin debt of those who would believe by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood. To non-believers, this is absolute nonsense at which they mock and scoff. To believers, it is reason to love and glorify God, and in acknowledging Him for Who He is, being grateful for what He has done for us.

The non-believer interprets this as us being brainwashed, believing in fairy tales, having an "invisible friend," etc etc etc

1 cor 3 .1
1¶And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
Why couldn't Paul speak to these believers as unto spiritual?

 

[notuptome]

How were they born again?


9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Does Jesus regenerate sinners?

You said they were dead and could not respond. Scripture says they are lighted by God making them able to respond. John 1:9 Those who do not respond do not respond because they make a choice to turn back from the Light. John3:18

No argument about Jesus doing the saving. Those who are saved are not saved without receiving Christ. Election does not save but the saved are elect.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Blik]

Got scripture for that?

1 John 1:9, Luke 7:48,Psalm 130:34, Matt.12:31, Ephs.1:7, Acts 13:38------for just a few scriptures.

 

[tribesman]

1 John 1:9, Luke 7:48,Psalm 130:34, Matt.12:31, Ephs.1:7, Acts 13:38------for just a few scriptures.

Psalm 130:34 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.

Matt.12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Luke 7:48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Ephs.1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Yes? None of the above verses says absolutely NOTHING or implies absolutely NOTHING about some "free will choice for sinners".

I was asking for scriptures where it says that sinners, unregenerate people, non-believers (NOT the people of God!), have any "free will" in "choosing" to follow or obey God. Do you have any?

And I second Reformed1689:s question if Lazarus could raise himself from the dead or had any "free will choice" of raising himself from the dead?

 

[Magenta]

The method is deemed foolish ( preaching)

That is not what is says

Come on now, the whole idea of there being a God is deemed foolish to non-believers.

That He gave up His inly Son to be beaten, tortured, and executed... all the more so.

It is the message that is deemed foolish, just as Scripture says.

Not what you try to make it mean.

 

[tribesman]

You said they were dead and could not respond. Scripture says they are lighted by God making them able to respond. John 1:9 Those who do not respond do not respond because they make a choice to turn back from the Light. John3:18

No argument about Jesus doing the saving. Those who are saved are not saved without receiving Christ. Election does not save but the saved are elect.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Prevenient grace is also unbiblical. Care to read John 1:13 and harmonize that with verse 9? But, yes, unbelief condemns people. That does not imply that sinners have any ability to believe out of a "free choice". Jesus said it was impossible for men to save themselves (Matt.19:26) and He also said that believing in Him is a work of God (John 6:29). You cannot reconcile this with any free-willism.

 

[mustaphadrink]

When I asked one of our minister to help me with an old testament study I was told that most people did not understand the old testament so he only studies the new testament that people understand. He would not help me.

That is his way of saying I don't understand it.

 

[throughfaith]

That is not what is says

Come on now, the whole idea of there being a God is deemed foolish to non-believers.

That He gave up His inly Son to be beaten, tortured, and executed... all the more so.

It is the message that is deemed foolish, just as Scripture says.

Not what you try to make it mean.

21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of PREACHING to save them that believe.

 

[notuptome]

Prevenient grace is also unbiblical. Care to read John 1:13 and harmonize that with verse 9? But, yes, unbelief condemns people. That does not imply that sinners have any ability to believe out of a "free choice". Jesus said it was impossible for men to save themselves (Matt.19:26) and He also said that believing in Him is a work of God (John 6:29). You cannot reconcile this with any free-willism.

There is no conflict between John 1:9 And John 1:13. Man must choose when God calls. Adam chose in the garden and we must choose here in the present.

Choosing is not causing salvation but receiving Gods gift of salvation. No man can be saved against his will. God will not force a man to be saved. God's love does not work that way.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Magenta]

I'm going with the kjv that says the 'preaching '( method) is deemed foolish and not with the majority translations which say the 'message ' is deemed foolish . The majority is never a wise choice in any field . lol
For the PREACHING of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Paul Preached in much 'power '

Is it your contention, then, that non-believers do not consider
the beliefs/doctrines/message of Christianity to be foolishness?

And that it is preaching that saves us, and not believing the message that is preached?

For that is what you are saying amounts to.

 

[Magenta]

What about Cornelius? And those bereans ?

The Bereans mentioned in Acts 17 were believers; Cornelius also worshiped the one true God

Cornelius, a centurion, an upright and God-fearing man, who is well spoken of by the whole Jewish nation,
was directed by a holy angel to send for you to come to his house and to hear what you have to say. Acts 10:22

And Cornelius said, “Four days ago, about this hour, I was praying in my house at the ninth hour, and behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing and said, ‘Cornelius, your prayer has been heard and your alms have been remembered before God. Acts 10:30-31

 

[Dino246]

... and He also said that believing in Him is a work of God (John 6:29). You cannot reconcile this with any free-willism.

Actually, there are two ways to read John 6:29, and both are legitimate in and of themselves. One is what you describe; the other is, “The work that God requires/accepts is this: to believe in the One He has sent.” The latter does put the onus on the human.

While it is reasonable to say that unbelievers are condemned for their sin, saying that they are condemned for their unbelief while simultaneously claiming that they are completely unable to do anything else, is simply illogical. You would make God a monster.

 

[oyster67]

21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of PREACHING to save them that believe.

@Magenta is correct. This is not saying that preaching is a foolish thing to do. Your lack of comprehension and understanding is troubling. Are you just playing games with us, or are you really that confused?

This verse is saying that the message of the Gospel of Salvation, as presented through preaching, is simple and clear enough for children to understand. The haughty and arrogant ones are offended at this level of simplicity. They think it below their level of sophistication and dignity to come as a child. This is why they consider the message, and the preaching of it, to be foolishness.

 

[Magenta]

@Magenta is correct. This is not saying that preaching is a foolish thing to do. Your lack of comprehension and understanding is troubling. Are you just playing games with us, or are you really that confused?

This verse is saying that the message of the Gospel of Salvation, as presented through preaching, is simple and clear enough for children to understand. The haughty and arrogant ones are offended at this level of simplicity. They think it below their level of sophistication and dignity to come as a child. This is why they consider the message, and the preaching of it, to be foolishness.

Indeed. Non believers largely view Christianity and its message as foolishness, and believers to be deceived, brainwashed, incapable of thinking for themselves, illogical, irrational, unintelligent, in need of meds, etc, etc, etc. To assert anything other than them viewing the message as foolishness, is itself foolishness, if not completely ignorant of the beliefs of natural men toward the gospel message. Natural born men are inherently hostile toward God, and find all manner of ways to justify their position.

 

[Magenta]

@Magenta is correct. This is not saying that preaching is a foolish thing to do. Your lack of comprehension and understanding is troubling. Are you just playing games with us, or are you really that confused?

This verse is saying that the message of the Gospel of Salvation, as presented through preaching, is simple and clear enough for children to understand. The haughty and arrogant ones are offended at this level of simplicity. They think it below their level of sophistication and dignity to come as a child. This is why they consider the message, and the preaching of it, to be foolishness.

Indeed. Non believers largely view Christianity and its message as foolishness, and believers to be deceived, brainwashed, incapable of thinking for themselves, illogical, irrational, unintelligent, in need of meds, etc, etc, etc. To assert anything other than them viewing the message as foolishness, is itself foolishness, if not completely ignorant of the beliefs of natural men toward the gospel message. Natural born men are inherently hostile toward God, and find all manner of ways to justify their position.

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So: on top of all that, non believers largely view religion in general as the root cause of what ails humanity, and targets Christianity in particular, especially to blame the world's woes upon. They really do see themselves as being too knowledgeable and sophisticated and modern to accept such antiquated beliefs as those that originated with what they call primitive stone age knuckle dragging goat herding cave dwellers. In short: the gospel message is foolishness to them. Some refuse to acknowledge that Jesus ever truly walked this world, though most historians, including those of an atheist bent, affirm His existence, even if they deny many of the claims made of Him.

 

[throughfaith]

@Magenta is correct. This is not saying that preaching is a foolish thing to do. Your lack of comprehension and understanding is troubling. Are you just playing games with us, or are you really that confused?

This verse is saying that the message of the Gospel of Salvation, as presented through preaching, is simple and clear enough for children to understand. The haughty and arrogant ones are offended at this level of simplicity. They think it below their level of sophistication and dignity to come as a child. This is why they consider the message, and the preaching of it, to be foolishness.

I'm saying both. The preaching is deemed foolish and the message
. The verse in question is highlighting the ' preaching ' ..kjv anyway .
“But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise...”

Acts 17:32, “And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.” They made fun of him. To the Greeks, the preaching of the resurrection of Christ was foolishness.

 

[Naomi123]

The Lord said I have not come to abolish the Law..but to fulfill it....

therefore we must believe Moses....that which God spoke in the beginning ....the great commandment...
To obey

the Gospel is the descent of Lord.....with the same utterance...the Holy Father speaks
yet man does not perceive....

as The Lord said..you diligently seek the scriptures yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life...
such is the nature of man...unbelief....
everyone is arguing in the dark about things they do not understand....
only in the light is the treasure made visible