Why Do Christians Ignore Most of the Old Testament Rules?

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throughfaith

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It must be weird living with a worldview that doesn't have an omnipotent God.
God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has fulfilled that decree by making his choice between good and evil. When he chooses to do evil, he does not thereby countervail the sovereign will of God but fulfills it, inasmuch as the eternal decree decided not which choice the man should make but that he should be free to make it. If in His absolute freedom God has willed to give man limited freedom, who is there to stay His hand or say, 'What doest thou?' Man’s will is free because God is sovereign. A God less than sovereign could not bestow moral freedom upon His creatures. He would be afraid to do so.​
A.W. Tozer,
 

throughfaith

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The problem I see Christians having is with what follows salvation.

The heart of Christianity is the heart of the old testament and the heart of the new testament, and that is that we are created to live eternally with the Lord. Sin stops that, forgiveness of sin allows us to live eternally.

The problem is related to the free choice we are given to choose this. To be forgiven we need to want to be rid of our sins, and we can't both choose sin to have in our life and choose to be forgiven of the sin we want to keep. God will not take away sin we want to keep. Scripture calls this repentance, and Christ asks us to repent.
Christ asks 'us ' to repent ? which verse please ?
 

throughfaith

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The problem I see Christians having is with what follows salvation.

The heart of Christianity is the heart of the old testament and the heart of the new testament, and that is that we are created to live eternally with the Lord. Sin stops that, forgiveness of sin allows us to live eternally.

The problem is related to the free choice we are given to choose this. To be forgiven we need to want to be rid of our sins, and we can't both choose sin to have in our life and choose to be forgiven of the sin we want to keep. God will not take away sin we want to keep. Scripture calls this repentance, and Christ asks us to repent.
Jesus solved the issue enabling that all can come freely to recieve redemption through believing the Gospel . 2 cor 5.19 . You have no new testament salvation to proclaim because you don't recognise the cross and resurrection. You do not understand what took place . What Jesus has done . This truth has not yet reached you . You seem to still be under the old system.
 

Reformed1689

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Christ asks 'us ' to repent ? which verse please ?
God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has fulfilled that decree by making his choice between good and evil. When he chooses to do evil, he does not thereby countervail the sovereign will of God but fulfills it, inasmuch as the eternal decree decided not which choice the man should make but that he should be free to make it. If in His absolute freedom God has willed to give man limited freedom, who is there to stay His hand or say, 'What doest thou?' Man’s will is free because God is sovereign. A God less than sovereign could not bestow moral freedom upon His creatures. He would be afraid to do so.​
A.W. Tozer,
I see you have very different standards...
 
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To Calvinism? yes . I believe its a terrible way to view scripture. Context and calvinism never go together.
We may disagree on some things, but we agree on Calvin. Limited atonement is borderline blasphemy, and irresistible grace neglects the evidence of scripture, and rejects just how depraved the human will can be.
I think of the city Nazareth according to Mathew 13, Jesus went there but they rejected him. Clearly Grace was resisted.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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I'm not arminian either. There is another option.
 
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Anyway why are we resurrecting old threads?
 
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We don't ignor the old testament. We learn a lot from it. The old testament teaches us many things about God and Christ and human nature. The law teaches is what is sin, not that we are under a law, but An example I like to use is the OT has a law regarding an ox that gores. By this law we know that in order to love our neighbors we should not allow our animals to cause damage and do harm.
Another would be to stone false prophets, well we no longer stone them to death, but we should account them as dead in trespass against the Lord.
 

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How does a dead man obtain life? Does he will his own resurrection? Could Lazarus have said no?
Are you saying that if we are dead in our sins, we cannot go to Christ for forgiveness because we are dead? Christ offers free choice to choose Him at all times for everyone.
 

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T|he answer is very simple. Most church leaders do not understand the Old Testament beyond its sybolism so they cannot give any meaningful instruction on the topic.
When I asked one of our minister to help me with an old testament study I was told that most people did not understand the old testament so he only studies the new testament that people understand. He would not help me.
 

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Are you saying that if we are dead in our sins, we cannot go to Christ for forgiveness because we are dead? Christ offers free choice to choose Him at all times for everyone.
Got scripture for that?
 

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To Calvinism? yes . I believe its a terrible way to view scripture. Context and calvinism never go together.
Your evidence is the opinion of someone you agree with. The evidence you demand from someone is scripture. Scripture isn't your rule of faith then. You have two different standards for how you come to your conclusions it seems.
 

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Are you saying that if we are dead in our sins, we cannot go to Christ for forgiveness because we are dead? Christ offers free choice to choose Him at all times for everyone.
Could lazarus have raised himself?
 

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When the Lord gives us free choice, do you think God says a sinner may choose, but if a man chooses to belong to Me, then the free choice is taken from him? You are not making any sense at all.
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Are you saying that if we are dead in our sins, we cannot go to Christ for forgiveness because we are dead? Christ offers free choice to choose Him at all times for everyone.
He was ' physically ' dead. Last time I checked only living people can be saved .
Could he have raised himself?
 

throughfaith

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Your evidence is the opinion of someone you agree with. The evidence you demand from someone is scripture. Scripture isn't your rule of faith then. You have two different standards for how you come to your conclusions it seems.
No my absolute standard is scripture . Not a system that I'm trying to adhere to . Especially ones with long pointy beards.