Not By Works
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Nope
Your telling me a person can be born of God. and then sin themselves out of salvation.
nope, i am referring straight to you.
you tell others what they believe, and dismiss their answers when they tell you they do not believe that.
so, use your Bible and work on yourself, and stop judging others by your silly lordship salvation non-sense.
which circles back to my question that you dodged-
if my salvation , or lack thereof, is tied directly to how well i keep the Commands, then what is the amount of not doing so will disqualify me from it?
there has to be an exact formula that applies to every Christian.
so, what is it?
As long as one is in this flesh on the earth, surrender to Jesus is not entirely complete because of the struggle with sin. One may overcome sin more through God’s power but will not ultimately stop sinning until going to heaven or when Jesus finally comes back. The more one can surrender to Jesus now the better.
Are you claiming sinlessness?Jesus "walked" with God...so that means He accepted a blood sacrifice for His sins, right? Of course not. "Walk" is a repeatedly used Biblical metaphor for "Behavior", like when Enoch "walked" with God, or when we're told to "walk" in the ways of the Lord".
Those who "walk" after the Spirit are keeping God's commandments - they don't deliberately, habitually, impenitently break them, then claim God's promises of forgiveness through a OSAS License to Sin.
Is there someone here you are accusing of deliberately, habitually, impenitently break the commandments?
Oh, right: you are a Sabbatarian. So anyone who worships God every day is breaking the commandments?
Sabbatarians actually say such ridiculous things as that.
@Phoneman-777 never said he hated Jesus. He doesn’t like OSAS doctrine. Just like I believe in eternal security and believe the Bible supports it, he believes the Bible supports a different doctrine. I understand where one may believe eternal security and where one may believe differently.
And not only that, but @Phoneman-777 your position is that the majority of people born of God have turned right around and sinned there way to hell, right?
And that it's largely because they trust God to keep them and work in them instead of relying on their own willpower?
That idea, if it is indeed the one being put forth, makes God very poor at saving people. In fact it makes God downright inept.
As for myself I believe in the God who is mighty to save to the uttermost.
Not sure who's preaching "works based salvation" here, but let me know so we can both set them straight
As for me, I preach salvation is on condition that our belief in God's Word leads to the surrender of our will, for if we believe without surrendering, we are no different than trembling devils.
You preach to us that "self" has to "hold onto salvation" and you preach that those of us who believe in God's work and the work of the Holy Spirit from God who has "sealed us for eternity are following a "satanic" doctrine. Salvation is without "condition" because it is a gift from God to His fallen creation. You twist it all around in your dislike for what you call OSAS
Salvation is for all who will "accept the offer from Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." The offer is there but the "choice" is ours.Words mean things. "Unconditional" means "without condition". Unless salvation is available to all without condition, then it is conditional.
You are like a robot who has been taught only one sentence to speak. "license to sin." If we wanted to just sin, we wouldn't need a license. If we wanted to live a life disobeying Jesus, we would refuse His gift. One of the most disgusting actions is for a Christian to sit in the seat of judgment that only Our Lord and Savior is fit to occupy. The next most disgusting action is for a Christian to be so hypocritical and say how they "obey" God and yet continue to judge others.
So, your answer to my question is "No". Am I correct?
Perhaps we cannot, but God knows what which works He has prepared in advance:
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Ephesians 2:8-10
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eternally-gratefull
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my point was that they hated Jesus for Jesus telling them their works will not save them. And how they just like him called him a lover of sinners and a hater of the law.
so when he hates on my belief in my view it’s the same as them hating on Jesus,
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eternally-gratefull
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yes, so we should not fruit inspect. Because we can not really use this to know who is truly saved or not
YOU GOT THAT FROM ME, I was the one that told you that because we were BORN AGAIN, that birth changed our Human Spirit to a Eternally Alive, human spirit that has Agape Love for GOD.