Five Foolish Virgins VS Five Wise Virgins
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Yes it could be seen in that way but while I agree it represents darkness we also cannot insert that it is in the tribulation itself Jesus also speaks about how he comes like a theif in the night so night seems to be pretty main focus I do suppose the buying of oil could represent the mark but the issue is that they are all called virgins and it isn't that they didn't have oil they just didn't bring enough the wise virgins brought extra oil so if it was the mark then that would mean the wise virgins also had the mark wouldn't it?
It could also be that we are just reading to much into it, but if it was talking about the tribulation how is it spoken of in that context? assuming that the parable is in that time I would need convincing as to how that is we cannot allow our own views and beleifs to make scripture say what we think it does
It could also be that we are just reading to much into it, but if it was talking about the tribulation how is it spoken of in that context? assuming that the parable is in that time I would need convincing as to how that is we cannot allow our own views and beleifs to make scripture say what we think it does
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Is it always in the same order? What do you think of this verse then:
Matthew 13:30
30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Matthew 13:38
38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Matthew 13:30
30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Matthew 13:38
38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
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They all fall asleep but that does not mean they all backslid. It is a parable using a common custom from Jewish weddings that they understood. Was it considered shameful to fall asleep waiting for the call of the Bridegroom? I don't know. But if not then the object lesson is not that anyone fell asleep but that their lights went out and they did not bring extra oil in case that were to happen. The wise ones prepared for the possibility. The foolish thought if that happened they would have time to deal with it. They assumed they could borrow from their neighbor and when that did not work out they were told to go buy some, when they did, it took too long and they were not ready.
It is not an allegory therefore I am not seeing the need to insist on the meaning of the oil. I think the point is that the wise were prepared. They did not assume that they could be irresponsible about their task, (carrying the light in the procession) and figure out a way to fix it at the last minute. How does this apply to us. In all the ways that fall under the category of what it means to live ready for his appearing.
It is not an allegory therefore I am not seeing the need to insist on the meaning of the oil. I think the point is that the wise were prepared. They did not assume that they could be irresponsible about their task, (carrying the light in the procession) and figure out a way to fix it at the last minute. How does this apply to us. In all the ways that fall under the category of what it means to live ready for his appearing.
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The wise virgins didn't go out in the middle of the night to purchase oil so they cannot be blamed on doing something they shouldn't have done.
This parable speak of the Apostasy where Christians (spiritual virgins) end up committing spiritual adultery in the spiritual darkness of the Great Tribulation. The oil is how you see things properly and theirs went out so they were essentially blinded and what that does to a person is to make them make the wrong decisions.
Christ said immediately after the Great Tribulation ends that he will return, it's found in the Olivet discourse. The bridegroom in the parable is Christ so he comes when the Great Tribulation has ended which means the waking up and not having oil happened during the Great Tribulation and thus that's how a virgin can make a terrible mistake during that time. They are not there when Christ arrives. They are out in the night trying to buy something which I believe they do. There's different kinds of oil, some burn better and cleaner than others. I think they bought the wrong oil and were somewhere they shouldn't have been at a time they shouldn't have had to be doing it.
It's just basically how some become goats and how sheep remain sheep or insert any other opposite types of analogies. Also, the parable doesn't address this but the foolish virgins were no longer virgins upon their return. This is in a spiritual nature. Falling away to the false God or false Christ means you are no longer spiritually a virgin.
Make sure to have enough oil before the darkness of the Great Tribulation begins. The oil is truth, biblical knowledge/faith maybe even the Holy Spirit. The "other oil" is not any of those things.
That's from a different time and place, and is speaking about the day of judgment at the GWT not the second coming. The order does reverse on the GWTJ than it was with the examples Christ gave about what his second coming will be like.
On the second coming the first thing that happens is the saints are TAKEN up into the clouds which is called a rapture, then those LEFT down on Earth will face the wrath of God.
On the day the unsaved are judged and punished, the order is reverse with the unsaved/wicked suffering judgment and wrath, then the righteous entering into the NHNE and new Jerusalem.
On the second coming the first thing that happens is the saints are TAKEN up into the clouds which is called a rapture, then those LEFT down on Earth will face the wrath of God.
On the day the unsaved are judged and punished, the order is reverse with the unsaved/wicked suffering judgment and wrath, then the righteous entering into the NHNE and new Jerusalem.
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Oil (rather olive oil) is a metaphor or "symbol" of the Holy Spirit. This is seen in several OT scriptures (Exo.30:30, Lev. 4:3-5, Num.3:3, 1 Sam.16:13, Ps. 2:2, Isa.61:1, Zech.4:1-6) as well as in the NT (Matt.25:1-13; Acts 1:8; 10:38, Gal.5:16; Eph. 5:17-18) etc.
So, if someone has no oil in their lamp, then this scripture comes in:
So, if someone has no oil in their lamp, then this scripture comes in:
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CORRECT and proper "application" of these scriptures. 
Agreed!
Keep on "correctly apportioning the word of truth"! Right on!
[Luke 12:36 - "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" (as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom" )... THEN the meal (G347)! Right! (aka the promised and prophesied EARTHLY MK age--its inauguration)]
Agreed!
Keep on "correctly apportioning the word of truth"! Right on!
[Luke 12:36 - "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" (as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom"
)... THEN the meal (G347)! Right! (aka the promised and prophesied EARTHLY MK age--its inauguration)]-
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The big mistake made by the five foolish virgins was abandoning their watch
to go in pursuit of something far less important than the arrival of the
bridegroom.
Seeing as how nobody knows either the date or the hour of Christ's arrival
spoken of in 1Thess 4:13-17, then everyone would be well-advised to
avoid getting too absorbed in worldly pursuits lest the Lord suddenly appear
unexpected right over their heads yelling "All aboard!" and they be
unprepared to go with him; consequently getting themselves left behind.
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The big mistake made by the five foolish virgins was abandoning their watch
to go in pursuit of something far less important than the arrival of the
bridegroom.
Seeing as how nobody knows either the date or the hour of Christ's arrival
spoken of in 1Thess 4:13-17, then everyone would be well-advised to
avoid getting too absorbed in worldly pursuits lest the Lord suddenly appear
unexpected right over their heads yelling "All aboard!" and they be
unprepared to go with him; consequently getting themselves left behind.
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Amen.
" ♫♪♪ I shall not be, I shall not be moved... I shall not be, I shall not be moved... ♫♪♪ "
[in Matt 25] Jesus is NOT coming (in that CONTEXT) for the purpose of "MARRYING" 10 VirginS [PLURAL]" nor even 5!
To think so, is (shall I say) "twisted"
In that CONTEXT, He will be RETURNING to the earth as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom"... NOT to "MARRY" *PLURAL* VirginS !
" ♫♪♪ I shall not be, I shall not be moved... I shall not be, I shall not be moved... ♫♪♪ "
[in Matt 25] Jesus is NOT coming (in that CONTEXT) for the purpose of "MARRYING" 10 VirginS [PLURAL]" nor even 5!
To think so, is (shall I say) "twisted"
In that CONTEXT, He will be RETURNING to the earth as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom"... NOT to "MARRY" *PLURAL* VirginS !
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Amen.
" ♫♪♪ I shall not be, I shall not be moved... I shall not be, I shall not be moved... ♫♪♪ "
[in Matt 25] Jesus is NOT coming (in that CONTEXT) for the purpose of "MARRYING" 10 VirginS [PLURAL]" nor even 5!
To think so, is (shall I say) "twisted"
In that CONTEXT, He will be RETURNING to the earth as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom"... NOT to "MARRY" *PLURAL* VirginS !
" ♫♪♪ I shall not be, I shall not be moved... I shall not be, I shall not be moved... ♫♪♪ "
[in Matt 25] Jesus is NOT coming (in that CONTEXT) for the purpose of "MARRYING" 10 VirginS [PLURAL]" nor even 5!
To think so, is (shall I say) "twisted"
In that CONTEXT, He will be RETURNING to the earth as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom"... NOT to "MARRY" *PLURAL* VirginS !
Oil is symbolic.
"Purchase" is " obtaining"
As in the 7 letters to the 7 churches.
They were told to "buy" " gold"
But neither gold or buying it would help them.
" buy" symbolic for " obtaining"
"Gold" symbolic of something precious.
But note that the oil was able to be imparted. As is the Holy Spirit in acts via laying on of hands.
Oil indeed represents the Holy Spirit.
David in his sin noticed the Holy Spirit left him.
It was the Holy Spirit in Davids life that was the anointing and the game changer.
Same for us and same for the foolish or wise virgins
"Purchase" is " obtaining"
As in the 7 letters to the 7 churches.
They were told to "buy" " gold"
But neither gold or buying it would help them.
" buy" symbolic for " obtaining"
"Gold" symbolic of something precious.
But note that the oil was able to be imparted. As is the Holy Spirit in acts via laying on of hands.
Oil indeed represents the Holy Spirit.
David in his sin noticed the Holy Spirit left him.
It was the Holy Spirit in Davids life that was the anointing and the game changer.
Same for us and same for the foolish or wise virgins
Jesus says imediently after the tribulation of those days and revelations speaks of the great tribulation but I still do not understand how how the darkness of the night is the great tribulation, I agree it speaks of a spiritual state but they are waiting for the bridegroom in this parable it says nothing about the night representing the great tribulation though I do know there is plenty of symbolism in scripture the problem comes with interpretation.
I am not saying it is speaking of a pretrib rapture either to be honest it is very easy to see this verse through the eyes of our own personal beliefs which is why I am wanting actual evidence of it representing the tribulation and not placing my beleif in a pretrib rapture in the equation just simply wanting to know for sure.
I am not saying it is speaking of a pretrib rapture either to be honest it is very easy to see this verse through the eyes of our own personal beliefs which is why I am wanting actual evidence of it representing the tribulation and not placing my beleif in a pretrib rapture in the equation just simply wanting to know for sure.
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Because the Great Tribulation is the darkest spiritual time the world will ever know.
Besides the darkness the going out and buying is related to what people do in that dark time.
Mat_25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
So the darkness of the night, the buying and selling and the coming of Christ/bridegroom all add up to the timeframe of the Great Tribulation and the second coming. This parable was spoken after about 7 previous examples of what it will be like when Christ returns which started here:
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Again, this is comparable to the Great Tribulation and the wrath of God that is about to happen which happens at the second coming.
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Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Mat 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Rev_3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rev_16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
1Th_5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th_5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
Besides the darkness the going out and buying is related to what people do in that dark time.
Mat_25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
So the darkness of the night, the buying and selling and the coming of Christ/bridegroom all add up to the timeframe of the Great Tribulation and the second coming. This parable was spoken after about 7 previous examples of what it will be like when Christ returns which started here:
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Again, this is comparable to the Great Tribulation and the wrath of God that is about to happen which happens at the second coming.
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Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Mat 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Rev_3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rev_16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
1Th_5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th_5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.