The Beast is arising

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Kolistus

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Yes.

God expressed this unique period of time in years, days, and months, in various places of Scripture, just so we wouldn’t try to allegorize or claim it happened in the past.
I read one teacher who shall remain nameless as I do not want to misquote him, but he said something to the effect of the 42 months being equivalent to the entire church age. My jaw must have dropped as I read that, in my mind I was asking "Proof?"

Obviously I think it would be impossible to make 42 months into 2000 years. With Revelation 20 they also say thousand means just a long time, okay while I disagree there, it is a more reasonable explanation as there are places in the Bible where it is used figuritively and we also use the word thousand that way. But 42 months is such a specific number.
 

Nehemiah6

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But 42 months is such a specific number.
Correct. In fact extremely specific. Not only do we have 42 months, but we also have 1260 days, with each month of 30 days, and we also have time (1 year) + times (2 years) + half a time (6 months), which all add up to 3 1/2 years. When you multiply that by 2 you have 7 years, and in the book of Daniel one "week" or one heptad is a period of 7 years.

Which leads to the conclusion that the first 3 1/2 years of that 70th week of Daniel is the Tribulation (the reign of the Antichrist), while the last 3 1/2 years is the Great Tribulation, which is triggered by the Abomination of Desolation being set up in the Holy Place of the future temple in Jerusalem.

To confirm this the two witnesses (prophets which I assume are Moses and Elijah) of Revelation 11 have their ministry for exactly this same period, after which they are killed, resurrected, and raptured. At the same time, the believing remnant of Israel in Revelation 12 is hidden in the wilderness for 3 1/2 years.

In view of all this, it is not only absurd but unreasonable to make that 1260 days are period of 1260 years.
 

Ahwatukee

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The Bible does say it is relegated to a short period of time, such as:

Revelation 13:5
And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.

Revelation 11:3
And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”
Good day, Kolistus,

This time period is also mentioned in Revelation 12:6, 14 regarding the time the woman/Israel is cared for out in the wilderness for 1260 days and in verse 14 as 'a time, times and half a time' which are referring to that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. Daniel 7 also makes mention of this:

"He (antichrist) will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time." (Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-7).

This is all based on Daniel 9:27, when that ruler/antichrist establishes his covenant with Israel for one seven year period, which is the last seven years of the seventy seven year periods that was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem found in Daniel 9:24

The seven years are divided into two 3 1/2 year periods with the abomination being set up in the middle of the seven:

|<--------------------------------- S E V E N -- Y E A R S ----------------------------->|
|<-------------- 3 1/2----------------Abomination ------------ 3 1/2 -------------->|
|<------------ S E A L S ----------- T R U M P E T S ----------B O W L S ----------->|
 

Edify

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Looking at what is going on right now, I can't imagine what the world will be like once the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way, which will open up the flood gates for the full force of sin and the emergence of the man of sin.
Now, IF He is taken away there would be no tribulation saints. Moved out of the Antichrist's way, yes but not removed.

Otherwise the 144,000 witnesses & the 2 witnesses would have zero salvation effect.;)
 

Ahwatukee

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Now, IF He is taken away there would be no tribulation saints. Moved out of the Antichrist's way, yes but not removed.

Otherwise the 144,000 witnesses & the 2 witnesses would have zero salvation effect.;)
Hi Edify!

When the restrainer is taken out of the way, it is the church that is removed with Him. However, there will also be a group of white robed saints which no man can count, who will be those who come to Christ after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath, hence the moniker 'great tribulation saints.' This group comes out of every nation, people, tribe and language which makes them all Gentiles, who are introduced in Revelation 7:9-17 and who along with the remnant of Israel, will repopulate the earth during the millennial kingdom, that is, those who make it alive through the entire tribulation period until Christ returns to the earth to end the age.
 

Ahwatukee

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Now, IF He is taken away there would be no tribulation saints. Moved out of the Antichrist's way, yes but not removed.

Otherwise the 144,000 witnesses & the 2 witnesses would have zero salvation effect.;)
Yes, that is correct. The Holy Spirit is taken out of the way and will most likely work in the capacity that He did prior to Pentecost.
 

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For the things that happened.. just not right.. we need to remember there are FAR more good as in Police, Judges in this nation. We need to watch what we put our focus on.

In the tribulation? No not yet.. not time yet. We know the season is very close. The Father has not changed. What happened was He sent His son not to condemn the world but to save it. The Holy Spirit is convicting the world of sin.. that sin that they don't know Christ as lord. If we were in the great tribulation the enemy would be out in the opening doing lying wonders.. things NO MAN alive has ever see. yet we the Church are still here and were given ALL authority over the enemy.. so as I read and understand we have to be pulled, snathed,gathered, caught up first.

That means just before something awful happens.. we get pulled out of the way. This is the greatest time to be alive. Every moment we live no matter what we go through we can share HIS WORD with those around us. Think of our self or use it for HIS glory.. our choice
 

GaryA

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Yes.

God expressed this unique period of time in years, days, and months, in various places of Scripture, just so we wouldn’t try to allegorize or claim it happened in the past.
Soooooooooo ----- Daniel's 70 weeks are really just weeks and not weeks-of-years?

Are you suggesting that "this unique period of time" - which many claim is Daniel's 70th week - is really just an actual 7-day week? Because scripture expresses it as a week? So we wouldn't declare that it was really some other span of time not equal to exactly one 7-day week?

The Great Tribulation period is really only seven 24-hour days long????
 

GaryA

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Soooooooooo ----- Daniel's 70 weeks are really just weeks and not weeks-of-years?

Are you suggesting that "this unique period of time" - which many claim is Daniel's 70th week - is really just an actual 7-day week? Because scripture expresses it as a week? So we wouldn't declare that it was really some other span of time not equal to exactly one 7-day week?

The Great Tribulation period is really only seven 24-hour days long????
I know what it says in the Hebrew; I am only trying to make a point...
 
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I admit that although I've studied Scripture for over 40 years that I still don't know Revelations well. That's all changing fast and I'm scrambling to learn it.

That said, I know enough that I can see the Beast system arising around us. I not only see it - I sense its evil. Has anyone else had this uneasy feeling? We are now in a Police State. Police have been militarized (are tanks and takers and war equipment necessary against the American people?) and every day we read of accounts of police badly abusing and killing innocent citizens. This was perhaps driven home more to me since I experienced it: police shot to death my neighbors unarmed grandson. I learned about how they protect their own. A judge threw the family's lawsuit out - most likely because he was white. Blacks do have an advantage because they stick together and there is an uproar if a black is abused or killed. It still goes on unabated however as I spoke with a young black man in the hospital who told me that he and his friends are constantly abused by police. Very nice young man. It made me sick.

Not only that but my brother was beat up and robbed by police and my friend's daughter was sexually assaulted by them. They are now a system of thuggery in some places. So we have a beast system built around us and if you haven't experienced it yet...you will. Matt Agorist at The Free Thought Project carries unbelievable stories of police abuse of citizens. I'd like to make a point here that >>>this is a sign of a Nazi-like regime where the citizens have no power against the beast system.


Next there is technocracy: everything you say and do is captured by the beast government to use against you later. Cameras record many of your activities, license-plate readers record your whereabouts, and the coming ID 2020 will control even more.

The idea is that the state - or beat system - can turn off your access to money if you don't comply with the beast.

Chuck Baldwin said this is going to be a difficult year ahead: 2021. We'll be facing the beast.

Perhaps someone else well-versed in the end times can explain where we are on the spectrum of end times. Are we in the tribulation right now?
We are not in the tribulation which is only three and one half years.

God has to end sin on earth one day so He is allowing the world 7 years to have their way and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the antichrist, New Age Christ, and when they take the mark of the beast then salvation is no longer available to the world and God can end sin on earth.

That means that Satan can work in the world during those 7 years more than in the past, which during the first three and one half years salvation is still available to the world which the antichrist will work in the world and push the agenda of the new age movement to prepare the world for when he claims to be God.

During the last three and one half years Satan is off his leash concerning the wicked and will deceive all people that do not love God.

Why the world rebels against God.

1. Evolution.

2. Gave birth to the new age movement that interprets the Bible, and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual.

3. The occult believes in astrology, horoscope, and this is the age of Aquarius the age of peace so they will try to pursue that peace on earth for they believe nature would want them to do that so they will harmonize the nations governments and religions with all religions interpreted according to the new age movement.

4. They do not believe the New Age Christ will help them to evolve and have peace until the nations come together as one and work for peace on earth a global government and global religion so they will work on that.

5. The New Age Christ will be of the new age movement and the occult and when he works in the world he will push the agenda of the new age movement until the world rebels against God.

6. Technology that caused them to be able to communicate with each other to come together but it is not according to the will of God.

The new age movement the beginning of the end.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns the saints of the new age movement, and their interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher and love, and the Christ conscience came upon him, and he evolved to be an ascended master, and believe in no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher, and they believe the Christ conscience will come upon him, and he will evolve to be greater than Jesus, and share this power with all people who follow him.

They will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats, reverence of nature, mother earth.

The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all people who do not love God where they will take the mark of the beast, and then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world, and God will end sin on earth, and have His people will Him.

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables(2 Timothy 4:2-4).

The time will come when the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible, but want to hear it according to their own lusts the new age movement.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, and work as a great man of peace, and push the agenda of the new age movement in the world to prepare the world for when he claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and evolving, and will share this power with all people who follow him.
 
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The 7 Churches

The 7 Churches is a prophesy of how the Church age will go in popular influence among the people, and if any flaws God always has people that are in the truth.

Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

The Church was popular in abiding in the truth, but they left their first love which seems like they were not loving people like they should which Jesus told them to repent or He would remove their candlestick, and that is because love is the fulfilling of the law, and love is greater than faith, and faith works by love.

Rev 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity that they did not get rid of their occult, pagan ways, and it became their foundation for interpreting scriptures, and the occult, and paganism are of the devil.

Rev 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

It appears as if it is still the Roman Catholic Church but advanced in deception as time goes on, for like a Christian in the truth will advance in the truth, a person that is going by the occult, and paganism of a false interpretation will advance in that which the Pope and Vatican in the future will embrace the new age movement interpretation of the Bible which the Pope will be the spiritual leader of a unified religion, and the Vatican the headquarters.

Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
Rev 2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Rev 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

It still seems like the Roman Catholic Church, and they covered many years of operating and being a popular influence upon people.

Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

Then the Protestant movement that started to become popular, but they did not become popular in the truth, but they were closer to it, but lacked, but they were not identified with a Satanic influence like the prior 3 Churches.

They did not have all the kinks worked out yet to totally be in the truth but they were weeding out the falseness of the Roman Catholic Church more as time went by.

Jesus said that their works were not found perfect before God, and for them to repent or He would come upon them like a thief.

Continued,
 
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Continued,

Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Then the 6th Church the popular belief was one that Jesus did not have anything bad to say about them, but told them to hold unto what they have for much deception is going on especially with the new age movement, Christian Science, Scientology, Roman Catholic Church, Mormon Church, and others like them.

The Protestant movement after working for many years weeded out the falseness of the Roman Catholic Church, and other falseness, and went by the truth that was pleasing to Jesus for He did not have anything bad to say about them.

Jesus said He would deliver the saints from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

And there can only be one temptation that can come upon all the world at the same time, and that is when the nations come together and say Peace and safety, which is soon to happen, so the 6th Church has to be going on now because when they say Peace and safety it is a future prophesy, which Paul said that the saints will not be deceived by that for they know it is not the operation of God, and not reality but they will be following the new age movement and their interpretation of the Bible, and all religions.

Which God said multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision, for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision, for they have a choice to stay with God for the hypocrites, get with God, or follow the world.

Jesus will deliver the saints in the truth from that temptation, and Paul said the saints will not be deceived by that.

The Pope will be the spiritual leader of the unified religious system, and the Vatican the headquarters, as they embrace the new age movement interpretation of the Bible, but was planned out to be that way.

Since the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world then the Roman Catholic Church will change because the Roman Empire has changed, and become bigger with America being the main influence for the setting up of the New Age Christ kingdom, and the Roman Empire to extend to all Caucasian led nations including ones taken over by Caucasians as the power base of the antichrist and all nations will come together.

The world will be split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, and they will mingle themselves with the seed of men, the ethnic groups, nations, but they shall not cleave to one another even as iron is not mixed with clay, which started in America and spread to the world.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Then we get to the last Church age that is popular which many will be heaping money, and material things to themselves, and the prosperity Gospel, and preachers that are millionaires, which the love of money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and needy, and love is the fulfilling of the law.

Which this happens more in America than anywhere else, and this can only happen at the time of technology that caused money and material things to flow like a raging river.

Pro 30:11 There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
Pro 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
Pro 30:13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
Pro 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men and many Christians are going along with the world seeking money and material things instead of helping the poor and needy.

Which God said at the last generation the people will devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men, which can only happen because of technology, for people can branch out farther to make money, and can reach more people to make money so we are at the last generation and the last Church age that is popular the 7th Church where many people who claim to be a Christian will pursue money and material things like the world.

The Roman Catholic Church, the Protestant movement, and the 7th Church age with their wanting to go by their wants will all be at this time.

The 7 Churches is a prophesy of how the Church age will go in popular influence among the people, and if any flaws God always has people that are in the truth.

The 7 Churches may be actual Churches during that time with these traits but I believe it is a prophesy of how the Church age will go in popular influence, and I do not see how they could have all those traits so early in Church history.

Especially the 7th Church where the popular influence was many people claiming to be a Christian were heaping money and material things to themselves abundantly which they were saying they are rich, which seems like it can only happen in the time of technology such as now, for if the people claiming to be a Christian were heaping those things and rich then how much more would the heathen be doing the same and it does not seem like they would have that kind of prosperous nation back in the first century.

But they can today with America and other prosperous nations.
 

saintrose

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Do not chide yourself over not understanding Revelation. I have studied the Word for over fifty years, and we share the same boat.

The truth is, I will not attempt to interpret Revelation for myself, and God forbid, for others. I believe you and I will see clearly when our Blessed Lord reveals His Word to all at once.

As for the beast. It has been clear to me the world without Yeshua-Jesus is lost, evil and worse. We have seen many previews of the Beast and the Tribulation over the centuries, however now it seems the servants of Satan are running most, if not all governments on this tired old planet.as

It is bad everywhere, with people believing lies as foretold. Keep faith, and look to His Light,, for here the light is waning very fast. May you be blessed, comforted and counseled always by our blessed Maker.
I see that! Evil leaders have assumed office making crazier and crazier laws. It feels as if we're in a giant insane asylum. I have the urge to know where we are. It appears the vaccine is linked to it somehow because people may not be allowed to buy or sell without it. That's an irrefutable line out of Scripture. I'm just struggling to put it together.
 

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No. All Christians will be raptured and the identity of antichrist himself shall be made known. Having said that, I believe we are very close. Let our lamps be trimmed and burning and full of oil.
I think we're close too - I'm struggling to piece together what I do know. Revelations was always hard - although God gives the understanding. I was never in a good bible study that explained it. I used to listen to it but it never really opened up to where I could grasp it clearly.
 

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Where ever we are on this planet, things get tougher. The relatively small freedom we enjoyed is slipping away from us. I believe there is no change of nature of the beast state, whatever form, now it's just getting more obvious in the west.

I would mind you to ponder this very scripture and give some thought about how it applies even in our age.

As you can see there is a certain worship involved in worldly powers. You can ask yourself what the connection is between governments, worldly rulers and the masonic lodges, for example. Now, I am not sure that your local politician worships the devil. I dunno. But I do think that at the higher levels of power in this world, there is this connection. Of course they are waiting for their time, aren't they?
Yes certain groups help others get positions in government.
 

saintrose

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I too sense a demonic spirit in many individuals who have maneuvered themselves into positions of authority on the local and individual level. It does seem to be spreading at a rapid pace.
I have seen that as well. I'm pretty uneasy about it all but I tend to be sensitive. I'm the canary in the coal mine and I feel a sense of uneasiness that I can't shake. Something is coming. Kind of like how you ache before a storm.
 

saintrose

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As you read the following, please try to understand - and keep in mind - that the most popular opinions about End Times prophecy are in error.

We are near the End.

Yes - we are in the Tribulation now - and, have been since circa 70 A.D.

Revelation prophecy, along with Olivet Discourse prophecy, has been "unfolding" over the past ~2000 years.

And, the prophecy of neither place in scripture is simply "listed" in chronological order like some would have you believe.

Some, but not all, of the prophecy is past history.

Some of the 'seals' have already been "opened" in history.

None of the 'trumpets' have occurred.

None of the 'vials' have occurred.

Revelation 13:5-7 is past history while Revelation 13:8 is yet future.

(It must be read and understood based on God's time scale.)

Revelation 13:7 is describing the Dark Ages.

The souls under the altar in Revelation 6:9 are the martyred saints from the Dark Ages.

The other group of saints in Revelation 6:11 that "should be killed as they were" are the martyred saints referred to in Revelation 13:15. (yet future)

Both groups of saints are 'tribulation saints'.
Wow thanks. I have to refer back to this when I study.
 

saintrose

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"We are in a police state".
Yet police everywhere have been defended, laws have changed removing power from the police to uphold the law and jobs traditionally done by police are being given to unarmed civilians. Not to mention almost daily assassinations of police.
The symbol of the thin blue line has been deemed illegal or hateful, requiring departments to remove it from police cars.
Meanwhile people who riot, destroy businesses, steal, murder, etc... are considered "peaceful protesters".
And crime everywhere has accelerated at an alarming rate. And gun sales have risen because people feel unsafe from all this.
Tell me more about the "police state". 🙄
Yes I saw where rioters were given a free pass. Probably some were paid rioters.

Actually crime has gone down if you read statistics.

I think guns sales have skyrocketed because people know their history: whenever the people were disarmed tyranny arose. People sensed and felt the government tyranny with this coronavirus issue and people bought guns to protect themselves from tyranny.
 

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Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Then the 6th Church the popular belief was one that Jesus did not have anything bad to say about them, but told them to hold unto what they have for much deception is going on especially with the new age movement, Christian Science, Scientology, Roman Catholic Church, Mormon Church, and others like them.

The Protestant movement after working for many years weeded out the falseness of the Roman Catholic Church, and other falseness, and went by the truth that was pleasing to Jesus for He did not have anything bad to say about them.

Jesus said He would deliver the saints from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

And there can only be one temptation that can come upon all the world at the same time, and that is when the nations come together and say Peace and safety, which is soon to happen, so the 6th Church has to be going on now because when they say Peace and safety it is a future prophesy, which Paul said that the saints will not be deceived by that for they know it is not the operation of God, and not reality but they will be following the new age movement and their interpretation of the Bible, and all religions.

Which God said multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision, for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision, for they have a choice to stay with God for the hypocrites, get with God, or follow the world.

Jesus will deliver the saints in the truth from that temptation, and Paul said the saints will not be deceived by that.

The Pope will be the spiritual leader of the unified religious system, and the Vatican the headquarters, as they embrace the new age movement interpretation of the Bible, but was planned out to be that way.

Since the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world then the Roman Catholic Church will change because the Roman Empire has changed, and become bigger with America being the main influence for the setting up of the New Age Christ kingdom, and the Roman Empire to extend to all Caucasian led nations including ones taken over by Caucasians as the power base of the antichrist and all nations will come together.

The world will be split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, and they will mingle themselves with the seed of men, the ethnic groups, nations, but they shall not cleave to one another even as iron is not mixed with clay, which started in America and spread to the world.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Then we get to the last Church age that is popular which many will be heaping money, and material things to themselves, and the prosperity Gospel, and preachers that are millionaires, which the love of money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and needy, and love is the fulfilling of the law.

Which this happens more in America than anywhere else, and this can only happen at the time of technology that caused money and material things to flow like a raging river.

Pro 30:11 There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
Pro 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
Pro 30:13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
Pro 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men and many Christians are going along with the world seeking money and material things instead of helping the poor and needy.

Which God said at the last generation the people will devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men, which can only happen because of technology, for people can branch out farther to make money, and can reach more people to make money so we are at the last generation and the last Church age that is popular the 7th Church where many people who claim to be a Christian will pursue money and material things like the world.

The Roman Catholic Church, the Protestant movement, and the 7th Church age with their wanting to go by their wants will all be at this time.

The 7 Churches is a prophesy of how the Church age will go in popular influence among the people, and if any flaws God always has people that are in the truth.

The 7 Churches may be actual Churches during that time with these traits but I believe it is a prophesy of how the Church age will go in popular influence, and I do not see how they could have all those traits so early in Church history.

Especially the 7th Church where the popular influence was many people claiming to be a Christian were heaping money and material things to themselves abundantly which they were saying they are rich, which seems like it can only happen in the time of technology such as now, for if the people claiming to be a Christian were heaping those things and rich then how much more would the heathen be doing the same and it does not seem like they would have that kind of prosperous nation back in the first century.

But they can today with America and other prosperous nations.
Yes I understood the Pope to be the head of all the religions. So you think this is the last generation?
 

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Yes I understood the Pope to be the head of all the religions. So you think this is the last generation?
Hello saintrose!

Whether or not we are in the last generation is not even in question, as it is overwhelming obvious!

Besides all of the other indications, we have the information within Revelation regarding the mark of the beast, which will eventually be the only way of buying and selling (electronic crediting and debiting) and which comes about in the middle of that last seven years when that beast/antichrist proclaims himself to be God and begins to reign.

The seven years will be ushered in when, according to Daniel 9:27, he establishes a seven year covenant with Israel, making it possible to build their temple and once again to make sacrifices and offerings, which he causes to cease in the middle of the seven years and is also when he sets up that abomination within the temple. This is also when the Woman/Israel of Revelation 12, flees out into the wilderness where she will be cared for by God for 1260, which is the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.

Now, I have said all that to say this: if the mark of the beast becomes the only way of buying and selling and which takes place in the middle of the seven years and the mark of the beast technology has already been revealed in this generation, then how close are to the Lord appearing to gather His church, since that event must take place prior to seven years. Watch the following secular videos on what is happening in regards to this mark of the beast technology. Always keep in mind the criteria for the mark of the beast which is that it will be located on the hand or the forehead and that without it, no one will be able to buy or sell.

The very fact that this technology has come about is no coincidence, but checks all of the boxes regarding the coming mark.

I Put A Payment Chip In My Hand To Replace My Wallet - Bing video

Why human microchipping is so popular in Sweden | ITV News - Bing video