Woman can't teach in the congregation

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You are correct. Paul knew the law, and he said that the law says women are to subject themselves, and he says this by inspiration.
 
Dino246 said:
Catholics don't consider themselves "just" a denomination, and many non-Catholic believers don't consider the Catholic entity to be Christian at all because of their many contra-biblical claims.

The message of the Catholic entity is not the same as that of most non-Catholic churches. I would encourage you to do some homework on the subject. :)
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oh no...thanks ....no homework needed....😉 I already have everything I need to Know
anyway..goodnight...it’s our evening now.....👌
 
Dino246 said:
Verse 34 does not identify a particular passage in the Law, and so far, you haven't either.

Until the passage in the Law is clearly identified and acknowledged as stating what verse 34 asserts, I will consider those two verses to come from a source other than Paul. He knew the Law very well, and would not have cited a non-existent command.

You are welcome to accept the non sequitur, but your argument carries no weight. Claiming that I'm calling Paul a liar is just empty manipulation, and I'm not falling for it.
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Is it possible he was citing a civil Roman law? I think Corinth was the administrative capitol of the province.
The Greeks allegedly kept women quite restricted in public.

Paul did cover things sometimes that only make sense in their original context.
Like that line about people being baptised for the dead. It sounds Pagan to us now.
 
SophieT said:
I made no comment on the cartoon. I addressed the hypocrisy of men

Disagree as you will. does not bother me one whittle bit
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The new testament gives advice to slaves on how they should behave because slavery was an accepted custom. It doesn't mean that the Bible advocates slavery. The custom of the time saw women as second class citizens and the advice given concerning them does not mean that the Bible advocates treating women as second class citizens. If a woman gets in front of a congregation and starts spewing out truths concerning the gospel and is filled with love for her brothers and sisters in Christ, how can anyone argue with what she has done? The first will be last and the last will be first when there is a tie and that means that everyone is treated equally. The apostles and those who have died for their faith deservedly will have a higher station in the kingdom of heaven. Women just like men will be judged the same way. We need to repent, trust in Jesus' death for the forgiveness of sins, and be filled with the Holy Spirit which fills our hearts with love.
 
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oldhermit said:
You are correct. Paul knew the law, and he said that the law says women are to subject themselves, and he says this by inspiration.
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I nearly spit my lunch when I read this.

If the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write that verse, then the Holy Spirit had a particular passage of the Law in mind. Unfortunately, nobody has been able to locate such a passage. That's a fatal flaw in your interpretation.
 
Lucy-Pevensie said:
Is it possible he was citing a civil Roman law? I think Corinth was the administrative capitol of the province.
The Greeks allegedly kept women quite restricted in public.

Paul did cover things sometimes that only make sense in their original context.
Like that line about people being baptised for the dead. It sounds Pagan to us now.
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Here's my suspicion, unconfirmed at this point...

Verses 34-35 were not written by Paul, but quoted by him, likely from the letter written to him. The citation of "as also sayeth the law" is from someone in Corinth who was attempting to suppress females, and was referring to a rabbinic law, not a Mosaic law, to do so. Paul's response in verse 36 ("What? ...") makes perfect sense as he completely eviscerates the attempt. Far from restricting females, Paul is actually affirming their full participation in the ministry of the local church.

Of course, this stands in direct contradiction to the traditional interpretation, but in my view, it makes far better sense of the passage, and of Paul's letters as a whole.
 
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PaulChristensen said:
Unfortunately, the most prominent women ministry is seen in the heretical prosperity churches run by the
likes of Kenny Copeland and Joyce Meyer, and people tend to judge the Charismatic movement by them.
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Don't forget Joel Osteen and his wife ;)
 
Dino246 said:
I nearly spit my lunch when I read this.

If the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write that verse, then the Holy Spirit had a particular passage of the Law in mind. Unfortunately, nobody has been able to locate such a passage. That's a fatal flaw in your interpretation.
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Paul is not referring to a specific verse but to a general application of what the law says about the behavior of women in the O.T. Gen 3:16 tells the woman,

"Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”

This has not changed. This is the same argument Paul uses in 1 Tim 2:11-14 where he discusses the same matter of women remaining silent in the assembly which was addressed to the Church at Ephesus. It is quite clear that this is the principle of law to which Paul is referring in 1 Cor 14.
 
oldhermit said:
Your argument is not with me, it is with the apostle Paul. Paul asks two rhetorical questions of the women in verse 36, "Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only ones it has reached?" The answer of course is no. The Lord entrusted the gospel to the 11 remaining apostles in Matthew 28 whom he commanded to "go and make disciplesd of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you."

Later, in 2 Tim 2:2, Paul commanded Timothy in the same way. "And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also."
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The Word of God did not originate with men, either...
 
oldhermit said:
I am not familiar with that. Perhaps you could refresh my memory.
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And with Passover/resurrection Sunday almost upon us! Goodness.

My apologies... I cannot take your request seriously :D

Since I know you have extensive knowledge of Scripture.

Which leads me to wonder why you would even ask :oops:

And say you are not familiar with His resurrection events.
 
Magenta said:
And with Passover/resurrection Sunday almost upon us! Goodness.
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Actually, he sent her to tell the apostles that he had risen. It was the apostles whom Jesus entrusted with the gospel in Matthew 28. There was not a woman among them. Bear in mind that Paul is NOT forbidding women from sharing the gospel. What he is commanding the women is that they are to keep silent IN THE ASSEMBLY.
 
SophieT said:
I made no comment on the cartoon. I addressed the hypocrisy of men

Disagree as you will. does not bother me one whittle bit
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It's my opinion that you desire to see (worldly feminism) in the church, bending and twisting scripture in promoting females in leadership roles
 
Dino246 said:
Unfortunately, some have pushed the alphabet agenda within the Church. However, it is unreasonable to assume that everyone who advocates for equality of gender regarding ministry roles would also advocate for gay rights. That is a fallacy of guilt by association, and holds no weight except for the unthinking.
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Direct Question?

Do you believe practicing homosexuals should be allowed membership in the church, whatever denomination it may be?
 
Lanolin said:
we women will just go elsewhere if we are not welcome. Not really digging the 'you women are dumb and always will be' vibe in some churches.
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And so you should! There are many churches down the road that will welcome talented and gifted women with open arms. With regard to churches that discourage women's ministry - their loss is another church's gain! I believe that bullying women into silence in churches is nothing less than spiritual abuse.
 
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PaulChristensen said:
I believe that bullying women into silence in churches is nothing less than spiritual abuse.
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God and his very clear words are now the big bully and spiritual abuser :eek:

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 
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