Woman can't teach in the congregation

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I am not the husband of one wife.

I regard that as sinfully bad leadership.
What denomination is this that is making unbiblical restrictions on single men?
Is it a denominational regulation or just your local church?

 

[oldhermit]

King Josiah (who did what was right in the eyes of God) entrusted Prophet Huldah with the word of God - the lost book of the law. 2 Kings 22:2

https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/all-women-bible/huldah

Jesus entrusted the woman at the well with the word of God. She became the first evangelist in the gospel of John.
Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman's testimony, "He told me everything I ever did." John 4:39

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/bible/significance-of-the-woman-at-the-well.html

A wife of noble character speaks with wisdom. Proverbs 31:26
Wisdom comes from God. Proverbs 2:6

The Lord gives the command; a great company of women proclaim it.
Isaiah 68:11

God entrusted Deborah with the word of God. Deborah was a prophet. She told Barak what God commanded. Judges 4:6

God entrusted Sarah with the word of God. God gave the word to Sarah that the slave woman's son would never share in the inheritance with Isaac. God told Abraham to do whatever Sarah tells you to do. God could have given the word directly to Abraham, but God chose to have Abraham listen to and obey Sarah instead. Gen 21:4-12, Gal 4:30

God entrusted Mary with the word of God. Mary literally carried, nurtured, birthed and raised the Word of God. His name is Jesus. John 1:1,4

God entrusted Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James and Salome with the word of God about Christ's resurrection. God entrusted those ladies to give the disciples a message.

But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’ ” Mark 16:7

God entrusted Mary Magdalene with the word of God.
When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons. 10She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping. 11When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.12Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country. 13These returned and reported it to the rest; but they did not believe them either.14Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen. Mark 16:9-14

God has entrusted his word to both men and women. Scripture tells us so.

Your argument is not with me, it is with the apostle Paul. Paul asks two rhetorical questions of the women in verse 36, "Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only ones it has reached?" The answer of course is no. The Lord entrusted the gospel to the 11 remaining apostles in Matthew 28 whom he commanded to "go and make disciplesd of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you."

Later, in 2 Tim 2:2, Paul commanded Timothy in the same way. "And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also."

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Facts that the husband represents God/Christ while the wife represents church ideology conveniently fails to acknowledge:

Woman represents God too.

Then the LORD God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.” Gen 2:18

In Hebrew, the word for “helper” used in Genesis 2:18 is Ezer (Strong's concordance 5828). It is always used in the context of vitally important and powerful acts of rescue and support.

The noun Ezer is used twenty-one times in the Old Testament. Twice it is used in the context of the first woman. Sixteen times it is used in reference to God as a helper.

Behold, God is my helper (Ps 54:4a).

In the New Testament, the Holy Spirit is also called our Helper: John 14:17, 26. God, Almighty Sovereign Lord of the Universe, is our Helper, and women are created in his image to be helpers in their marriages, families and communities. What’s the point? Women ALSO represent God. Helper is one of God’s many names and characteristics. God designed women to be Helpers like him.

Men also represent the church – bride of Christ.

After all, the church (bride of Christ) is made up of men and women – not just women. Male believers are also part of the bride of Christ (church). That symbolism isn’t restricted to women and wives. It also applies to male believers too. Christian men don’t stop representing the church when and if they become husbands.

Ephesians 5 is not a stand -alone passage of scripture. ALL Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16). The Bible (and it is not limited to Ephesians 5) teaches that BOTH men and women are supposed to be “like Jesus” (Christlike): Phi 2:5, 1 John 2:16, John 13:15, 1 Pet 2:21. Christ-likeness is not a masculine mindset or instruction given solely to men.

As Christians, BOTH men and women are admonished to be “like Jesus” (Christ-like). A woman isn’t somehow absolved of her responsibility to be “like Jesus” (Christ-like) if or when she gets married and becomes a wife.

BOTH man (in his duty to be Christlike) and woman (in her duty to be Christlike and Helper) represent God, and BOTH man and woman represent the church a.k.a the bride of Christ.

I would like to add


Gen 1:27
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

 

[Lanolin]

Esther was the only one who could say anything to Xerxes to save her people. I dont recall her saving only the women.


hmm.

2 John was also a letter to an elect lady. wonder who that was?
Basically John was saying to this lady if anyone comes not with the doctrine of Christ not to even let them, in the house.

titus and timothy were taught by Paul, but It does say that Timothy learned from his grandmother and that the aged women were to teach good things. And also to teach the young women.

Back in the day, the synagogues only let men study. Women were pretty much homeschooled. Big separation of the genders there...it was pretty big deal even to let a woman pray in a quorum. (she didnt count, worse luck)

Can you imagine the HUGE deal for these separated genders to suddently be in a co-ed environment. Totally shocking for some Im sure.

 

[proverbs35]

I would like to add


Gen 1:27
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

I omitted that one. I thought about that after I posted it. The edit time is so limited now. Thanks for mentioning it.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Your argument is not with me, it is with the apostle Paul. Paul asks two rhetorical questions of the women in verse 36, "Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only ones it has reached?" The answer of course is no. The Lord entrusted the gospel to the 11 remaining apostles in Matthew 28 whom he commanded to "go and make disciplesd of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you."

Later, in 2 Tim 2:2, Paul commanded Timothy in the same way. "And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also."

Paul was a Pharisee in the 1st century so no, the argument is definitely with people like you who are trying to restrict today's church.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
By this we know ONLY MEN can be saved right? Because Jesus said it!
How easy it is to use misinterpretation of archaic language to make lies sound like truth.

This is your word from 2 Tim 2
ἄνθρωπος anthrōpos

a human being, Jn. 16:21; Phil. 2:7; an individual, Rom. 3:28, et al. freq.; used also pleonastically with other words, Mt. 11:19; et al.; met. the spiritual frame of the inner man, Rom. 7:22; Eph. 3:16; 1 Pet. 3:4

 

[oldhermit]

Paul was a Pharisee in the 1st century so no, the argument is definitely with people like you who are trying to restrict today's church.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
By this we know ONLY MEN can be saved right? Because Jesus said it!
How easy it is to use misinterpretation of archaic language to make lies sound like truth.

This is your word from 2 Tim 2
ἄνθρωπος anthrōpos

a human being, Jn. 16:21; Phil. 2:7; an individual, Rom. 3:28, et al. freq.; used also pleonastically with other words, Mt. 11:19; et al.; met. the spiritual frame of the inner man, Rom. 7:22; Eph. 3:16; 1 Pet. 3:4

Paul was an inspired apostle of the Lord and he confirms that these commands are from the Lord. Even the apostle Peter confirmed that everything Paul taught, he had received from the Lord. Your argument then is with the Lord.

 

[oldhermit]

When Paul commands, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church," what percisely does this mean to you?

 

[tribesman]

When Paul commands, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church," what percisely does this mean to you?

For me it means what it says. And so it did for throughout church history until some people in some mainline protestant denominations on the drift in the 1960s decided to break with this godly tradition.

 

[oldhermit]

For me it means what it says. And so it did for throughout church history until some people in some mainline protestant denominations on the drift in the 1960s decided to break with this godly tradition.

Yea, people have come to believe that scripture is somehow contingent upon both time and culture. They have sold themselves to the idea that popular opinion is more relevant than the language of scripture. Culture has now become the metric for deciding what is true and the language of scripture is completely ignored.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

When Paul commands, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church," what percisely does this mean to you?

Nothing at all.
I don't have a husband.

And I'm not assembling together with the Heman Woman Hater's Club.

 

[Dino246]

When Paul commands, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church," what percisely does this mean to you?

I see you conveniently omitted the words, "as the Law also says"... which demonstrates that those are not Paul's words, because the Law does not say anything of the sort.

You seem to think you are presenting knock-down arguments. Meanwhile, those of us who have done our homework yawn at them.

You still have not addressed the problems with your interpretation. The "your argument is with God" line is simply avoidance. I thought you were smarter than that... and better versed in Scripture.

 

[oldhermit]

Nothing at all.
I don't have a husband.

And I'm not assembling together with the Heman Woman Hater's Club.

The fact that you have no husband is irrelavant. This is not about hating women. This has absolutely nothing to do with superior intelligence, abilities, talents, or skills. This is about honoring divinely appointed functions within the Church. These functions are assigned by God and are non-negotiable. It is his Church.

 

[oldhermit]

I see you conveniently omitted the words, "as the Law also says"... which demonstrates that those are not Paul's words, because the Law does not say anything of the sort.

You seem to think you are presenting knock-down arguments. Meanwhile, those of us who have done our homework yawn at them.

You still have not addressed the problems with your interpretation. The "your argument is with God" line is simply avoidance. I thought you were smarter than that... and better versed in Scripture.

No, I did not ommit it. Read my post. What you are doing is calling Paul a liar because he says the Law commanded the submission of the women and you are saying "no, it does not." Am I to accept your word over that of an apostle of the Lord?

 

[tribesman]

Yea, people have come to believe that scripture is somehow contingent upon both time and culture. They have sold themselves to the idea that popular opinion is more relevant than the language of scripture. Culture has now become the metric for deciding what is true and the language of scripture is completely ignored.

And they won't stop at that, now it's "rainbow" and "queer" theology that folliows. A few old men warned for this "development" in the early 60s, too few listened to them or took it seriously enough.

 

[SophieT]

Jesus said whosoever beli

yup

Catholic

 

[SophieT]

Really below the belt humor? Would you want a pastor to use this trashy humor or be of a better deportment?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I've heard more than one male pastor use that type of humor

so funnnnny

 

[SophieT]

Do women keep completely silent in your church? I doubt it.

it's on their 'wish' list along with having more than one wife

 

[SophieT]

I apoligize for disregarding Gods words, I'll take my purse, dress, and high heels, and vacate the pulpit immediately.

watch out for the stairs. can be tricky in those heels

 

[Naomi123]

yup

Catholic

Catholic is a denomination..it seems amongst thousands 🙂 can’t understand why...
the message is One....