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posthuman

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Assuming you're married, was your spouse forced to marry you? Can your spouse leave you at anytime? Does your spouse's past heart surrender to you demand that said heart can't be withdrawn from you?
what about you answer the question instead of deflecting?

does God own you?
does Satan own a piece?
you own any of yourself?
you gonna be able to get away with taking from God what belongs to Him? is anyone? or is God going to get that back?
 
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i believe i will never be "unsaved" i think that very idea is nonsense.
and i do not believe Satan has any authority or custody over me whatsoever.
and i have no intention of spending my life pursuing sin even if my flesh wants to and even if it wouldn't mean God would forsake me & reneg on His gifts and promises.
i do not believe Satan owns any holly trees. you probably should have said figs if you knew your Bible, but those don't belong to Satan either.


so, dude, you don't really have any idea what i believe. you probably shouldn't go around telling people what others believe when what you're saying is not at all what they believe -- that's pretty much definition of slander, OK? and the Bible happens to say something about whether a Christian should slander or not.
If you believe in Calvinism and OSAS and you deny what I say about it, you're just delusional, because what I say FULLY lines up with what you say, I just stretch out your nonsense to its logical conclusion.

OSAS most definitely is a license to commit sin which grants immunity from the same punishment the unlicensed will suffer...if not, please explain.
 

posthuman

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God and Satan have joint custody, and we can either abide in the Vine or Satan's Holly tree.
it's your own statement; it's not like i'm just throwing wild accusations at you from nowhere. i'm just asking you to clarify your own words.

is this what you believe or do you just think other people believe this?
 

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OSAS most definitely is a license to commit sin
why is Galatians 5:13 in the Bible?

what kind of idiot madness possessed Paul to tell people not to use their freedom as an occasion to sin?
wow, what kind of crazy gospel is he preaching where a person would actually have a grace so great that he in fact could literally abuse it as license?
 
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i think i would rather creep our someone who is supposedly a believer in a religion absolutely soaked with blood and death, with a scripture containing Ezekiel 37, than i would go look for a different avatar to please such a person.

In this world of suffering and death, we're better off gathering the beautiful flowers and ignoring the briars and thorns.
maybe i ought to love deeper. do you think i've lost my salvation if i refuse to serve you in this matter?
I think it's a symptom of something deeper. Are not symbols of death more commonly associated with the dark side? I've studied into the occult world to see just how these "confederacies" spoken of in Scripture that end up running the show fit in. They are preoccupied with such things, be it the Bohemian Grove, political societies, the entertianment and academic world...not saying you're an occultist, of course.

Or, it could be an indication that you lean toward sensationalism. At any rate, it's still really WEIRD to depict the new birth as a skeleton, which all recognize represents death, like Jupiter and the skull with crossed bones.
 
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what about you answer the question instead of deflecting?

does God own you?
does Satan own a piece?
you own any of yourself?
you gonna be able to get away with taking from God what belongs to Him? is anyone? or is God going to get that back?
I already addressed that.
 
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it's your own statement; it's not like i'm just throwing wild accusations at you from nowhere. i'm just asking you to clarify your own words.

is this what you believe or do you just think other people believe this?
Many Christians think they can disconnect themselves from Jesus' Vine, go down the street to Satan's house, and graft themselves into his Holly tree for a while.

IOW, although they know God is not accepting of it, they think salvation grants them a license to indulge a little sinful pleasure once in a while because doing will not result in forfeiture of it.
 

posthuman

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In this world of suffering and death, we're better off gathering the beautiful flowers and ignoring the briars and thorns.
I think it's a symptom of something deeper. Are not symbols of death more commonly associated with the dark side? I've studied into the occult world to see just how these "confederacies" spoken of in Scripture that end up running the show fit in. They are preoccupied with such things, be it the Bohemian Grove, political societies, the entertianment and academic world...not saying you're an occultist, of course.

Or, it could be an indication that you lean toward sensationalism. At any rate, it's still really WEIRD to depict the new birth as a skeleton, which all recognize represents death, like Jupiter and the skull with crossed bones.
i think you should spend less time meditating on things you hate and reasons to hate them, and more time meditating on Colossians 3:3 and John 11:25-26 -- you'd probably get a clearer understand of why we are so secure in Him :)

i happen to have this avatar because i believe the scripture when i read it and i am thankful.
 

posthuman

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Many Christians think they can disconnect themselves from Jesus' Vine, go down the street to Satan's house, and graft themselves into his Holly tree for a while.

IOW, although they know God is not accepting of it, they think salvation grants them a license to indulge a little sinful pleasure once in a while because doing will not result in forfeiture of it.
and many believe no one will walk in righteousness without the threat of hell over their every step. that out of terror & fear of punishment they will self-impose behavior modification, and that will commend them to God.

a lot of people think that kind of constant anxious nightmare is "salvation"
 
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why is Galatians 5:13 in the Bible?

what kind of idiot madness possessed Paul to tell people not to use their freedom as an occasion to sin?
wow, what kind of crazy gospel is he preaching where a person would actually have a grace so great that he in fact could literally abuse it as license?
And what "liberty" have we been called to indulge? James says "the LAW OF LIBERTY", the Ten Commandments.

Paul is telling people the are free from the Law of Moses which has been nailed to the Cross...but the Ten Commandments "stand fast forever and ever". Don't you guys get it? They aren't called the "Ten Suggestions". They are the standard in the judgment. And, you OSAS guys keep saying we shouldn't break them, but if we do, no problemo, we gots graaaaaaaaaaace."

"He that covereth his sin (with false ideas like OSAS) shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." Proverbs 28:13 KJV​
 

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and many believe no one will walk in righteousness without the threat of hell over their every step. that out of terror & fear of punishment they will self-impose behavior modification, and that will commend them to God.

a lot of people think that kind of constant anxious nightmare is "salvation"
People don’t become more righteous out of fear. I agree with you that is an anxious nightmare.
 
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i think you should spend less time meditating on things you hate and reasons to hate them, and more time meditating on Colossians 3:3 and John 11:25-26 -- you'd probably get a clearer understand of why we are so secure in Him :)

i happen to have this avatar because i believe the scripture when i read it and i am thankful.
I hate the same things Jesus hates: lies, false religious ideas, doctrines of devils that lead others to spiritual death. I'm in good company.

Oh, Jesus also says if we fail to warn our brother of sin and deception, we show hate toward him..but if we warn him, we show love to him.
 
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and many believe no one will walk in righteousness without the threat of hell over their every step. that out of terror & fear of punishment they will self-impose behavior modification, and that will commend them to God.

a lot of people think that kind of constant anxious nightmare is "salvation"
Which is why we shouldn't trade in one false idea for another.
 

OIC1965

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Again, Jesus' blood does not cover deliberate, known sin from which we refuse to repent.

A Biden Socialized Medicine enforcement agent points a nail gun at the child of a morbidly obese pinnhead Christian who constantly eats to the glory of Satan (instead of God) and says, "Just one more doughnut and I'll nail her pretty little head to the wall..."

...do you think the pinnhead will continue making excuses for his doughnut addiction, or would he "miraculously" find the motivation to go to the gym every time he drives past a Krispy Kreme?

So, then, if we love Jesus as the pinnhead Christian loves that little girl, why do we keep making excuses for driving fresh nails (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV) into the hands and feet of Jesus?
1 John 3:6. Please note that the tense of the verb “sin” indicates continual, linear action (or iterative action).
 
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People don’t become more righteous out of fear. I agree with you that is an anxious nightmare.
One inspired writer wrote if Jesus hanging on the Cross is not enough to create within us a humble spirit that gives us a desire to become like Him, all the fires of hell won't succeed in compelling us to turn from sin.
 

CherieR

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One inspired writer wrote if Jesus hanging on the Cross is not enough to create within us a humble spirit that gives us a desire to become like Him, all the fires of hell won't succeed in compelling us to turn from sin.
There is a big difference between humility and fear. You can be afraid and still be prideful.

Looking to Jesus on the cross should stir up humility.
 
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Amen, how can anyone who loves Jesus even think about indulging iniquity...or if they do, how can they not hate themselves afterward and not wet their pillow with their tears apologizing to God and begging Him for power to resist the next time Satan comes around with the same temptation?
 
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There is a big difference between humility and fear. You can be afraid and still be prideful.
Example? I can't imagine anyone looking at Jesus on the Cross and still wanting to retain their own pride...like the Christian who withholds his money from the collection plate, only to later see a homeless man give a stranger some money.

The Cross is something that when gazed upon should compel us to lay our pride in the dust.
 

OIC1965

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Amen, how can anyone who loves Jesus even think about indulging iniquity...or if they do, how can they not hate themselves afterward and not wet their pillow with their tears apologizing to God and begging Him for power to resist the next time Satan comes around with the same temptation?
1 John 3:1-3. But sanctification is a progressive work of the Spirit.
 
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1 John 3:6. Please note that the tense of the verb “sin” indicates continual, linear action (or iterative action).
Exactly...it's talking about habitual, known, deliberate sin, not the spur of the moment, moment of weakness type, for which there is forgiveness proffered.

Unfortunately, today, many put "sin" under one umbrella, see themselves making mistakes due to character flaws which have not yet been healed by the Holy Spirit, and then throw up their hands and say, "Well, nobody can keep the law, so let's invent OSAS so that we can still go to heaven."