Repentance is the Gift Of God !

[brightfame52]

correcL

What most people don't understand is that repentance is a gift from God, but unlike most gifts, you can't refuse this gift. Repentance is a state of being. Once God grants it, you have it and have been baptized in the name of the Father.

I agree with most of this statement, what do you mean by "this gift. Repentance is a state of being" and " have been baptized in the name of the Father"

 

[brightfame52]

CL

Jesus tasted death for everyone, but it is the Father who decides who receives the repentance that leads to salvation and because of Jesus' death, He can choose from everyone.

That certainly isnt true unless you mean everyone of the Elect Seed/Sheep .

 

[SophieT]

It's not what I'm saying, it is what the Bible is saying.

Rom 9: 11 ( For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth)

Rom 9: 14-16 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then, it is NOT of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.

Rom 9: 19-21 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth He yet find fault? For who hath resisted His will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?

Rom 11: 5-6 Even so, then, at this present time also, there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace;

1 Peter 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God, the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Cor 1:9 God is faithful by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Cor 1: 26-31 For ye see your calling, brrethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called; But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak thinggs of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not , to bring to nothing things that are, THAT NO FLESH SHOULD GLORY IN HIS PRESENCE. But of (by) Him are ye in Christ Jesus,who of (by) God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption; That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Eph 1: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will.

Col 3: 15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Eph 2: 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

John 17: 1,2,7 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, Father the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee. As thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as thou HAST GIVEN HIM. Now they have known, that all things, whatever thou hast given me, ARE OF(BY) THEE.

John 6: 44 No man can come to me, except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6: 65 And HE said, Therefore said I unto you that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of (by) my Father.

Rom 8: 28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover, whom He did predestinate, them He also called; and whom He called, them He also justified; and whom He justified, them He also glorified.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 17:11 Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Eph 2: 8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God- Not of works, lest any man should boast.

1 Peter 5: 13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, greeteth you;

Col 3: 12 Put on, therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, tender mercies, etc.

John 15: 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit,

John 17: 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name; those that thou gavest me I have kept , and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled.

John 17: 9 I pray for them; I pray not for the world, but for them whom thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Acts 13: 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

2 Thes 2: 13-14 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. Unto which He called you by our gospel to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Cor 1: 21-22 Now He who establisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God, who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

1 Peter 1: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who, according to His abundant mercy, hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also give life to your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.

John 1: 12-13 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the children of God, even (that is) to them that believe on His name; Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD.

1 Peter 2: 3-5 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious; To whom, coming as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men but chosen of (by) God, and precious, Ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifice, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2: 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a people of His own, that ye should show forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

Rev 17: 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them; for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings, and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Mark 13: 20 And except the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elect's sake whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.

Mark 13: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

I stopped reading at the end of your first sentence.

Let's cut to the chase.

Are you Calvinist in your understanding?

 

[Evmur]

Saying that God grants men the choice to repent is fundamentally different from saying God decides whether or not men will repent.

If man chooses to respond to God, then repentance can be granted.

Many of scriptures call for people to turn or repent. Kinda illogical to ask or command if the audience has no power to do so.

This is trying to fit a certain presumptive theological belief.

So your salvation is down to you, you chose.

What good thing dwelled in you, that is in your flesh, that you should choose to believe where others did not choose? you must be better than they.

 

[SophieT]

So your salvation is down to you, you chose.

What good thing dwelled in you, that is in your flesh, that you should choose to believe where others did not choose? you must be better than they.

Oh that is such an old but not goody argument. This site has suffered waaaaay too many Calvin threads wherein every arguement that can be presented has been presented.

May I suggest a search regarding the above?

I for one do not care to engage in yet another waste of time wherein people who are persuaded that Calvin is the most godly man to ever walk the earth, try to prove the same, by twisting scripture, cherry picking scripture and otherwise engaging in the worst sort of
biblical exegetical gymnastics.

And you can quote me

 

[SophieT]

Here are some links to threads on Calvinism

What is Calvinism?

Calvinists are Preaching a False Message

Elect According to the foreknowledge of God I Peter 1:2

 

[Roughsoul1991]

So your salvation is down to you, you chose.

What good thing dwelled in you, that is in your flesh, that you should choose to believe where others did not choose? you must be better than they.

I believe in John 3:16.

John 3:16
New Living Translation

16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Logical deduction of reasoning= Salvation is to all who will believe
We know not all of mankind believes in Jesus as their Lord and Savior. So if salvation is for all but not all get saved then there must be a faith requirement on mankind. Scripture wouldn't call for belief if it wasn't required or needed.

 

[CorrectiveLens]

It says He gives repentance to Israel. Israel is a Elect People out of the World, in this case, a Spiritual People. Also by giving them Repentance, He gives them obedience, for repentance is obedience.

I stopped reading at the end of your first sentence.

Let's cut to the chase.

Are you Calvinist in your understanding?

I stopped reading at the end of your first sentence.

Let's cut to the chase.

Are you Calvinist in your understanding?

I did not make any arguments. I just presented a bunch of scripture that pretty much is saying the same thing. If the scriptures do not convince you, I'm not going to try. It is God that brings understanding. Too bad that you stopped after the first scripture. By the way, I consider myself a christian and follow the Bible, not someone named Calvin.

 

[brightfame52]

When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are introducing a law principle in Justification. When they present anything as a condition to do to get saved, in which if they dont do it, there is the threat of punishment, but if you do do it there is the promise of reward, eternal life, thats a law principle, the same as under the mosaic law, do and live Lev 18:5

Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord.

They're under the principle of Gal 3:10

10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 15b

 

[Evmur]

I believe in John 3:16.

John 3:16
New Living Translation

16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Logical deduction of reasoning= Salvation is to all who will believe
We know not all of mankind believes in Jesus as their Lord and Savior. So if salvation is for all but not all get saved then there must be a faith requirement on mankind. Scripture wouldn't call for belief if it wasn't required or needed.

Faith is a gift, God actively closed the eyes of some and stopped up their ears and hardened their hearts lest at any time they should see and hear and turn to them and He heal them.

God knows what He is doing.

 

[Evmur]

I believe in John 3:16.

John 3:16
New Living Translation

16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Logical deduction of reasoning= Salvation is to all who will believe
We know not all of mankind believes in Jesus as their Lord and Savior. So if salvation is for all but not all get saved then there must be a faith requirement on mankind. Scripture wouldn't call for belief if it wasn't required or needed.

Faith is a gift, God actively closed the eyes of some and stopped up their ears and hardened their hearts lest at any time they should see and hear and turn to them and He heal them.

God knows what He is doing.

Oh that is such an old but not goody argument. This site has suffered waaaaay too many Calvin threads wherein every arguement that can be presented has been presented.

May I suggest a search regarding the above?

I for one do not care to engage in yet another waste of time wherein people who are persuaded that Calvin is the most godly man to ever walk the earth, try to prove the same, by twisting scripture, cherry picking scripture and otherwise engaging in the worst sort of
biblical exegetical gymnastics.

And you can quote me

You will have to ask the Calvinists about what they believe, I believe Paul, we were chosen in Christ before the world began to be a people for the praise of God's glorious grace.

That discounts any idea of our election being anything we have done.

Elected to what? that is the question. Paul doesn't say elected to be saved. THAT is where Calvin made his boo boo. But I'm blowed if Arminius doesn't make exactly the same assumption when he throws out election and predestiny altogether.

So both are wrong. We are predestined and chosen to be the church ... it doesn't mean that others cannot be saved.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Faith is a gift, God actively closed the eyes of some and stopped up their ears and hardened their hearts lest at any time they should see and hear and turn to them and He heal them.

God knows what He is doing.

Two different Greek words for faith. One is divine persuasion while the other is human belief. Of course, there is a 3rd faith within the gifts of the Spirit. This is the type of faith increased that some have.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Faith is a gift, God actively closed the eyes of some and stopped up their ears and hardened their hearts lest at any time they should see and hear and turn to them and He heal them.

God knows what He is doing.

Also what were they doing before God hardened them?

 

[Evmur]

Also what were they doing before God hardened them?

Yes all is based upon God's foreknowledge, not of what but of who. He can tell the difference between tares and wheat, sheeps and goats etc ....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Also what were they doing before God hardened them?

how does God harden people? I think this is a more important question. also. what does the word actually mean. I think many are confused with this

 

[SophieT]

I did not make any arguments. I just presented a bunch of scripture that pretty much is saying the same thing. If the scriptures do not convince you, I'm not going to try. It is God that brings understanding. Too bad that you stopped after the first scripture. By the way, I consider myself a christian and follow the Bible, not someone named Calvin.

You presented the usual platform that those who conform to Calvinism use

That is all you did. People can and do use scripture and then somehow think God is behind it when what they did was go looking for verses taken out of context and then try to make them say something different. That is what you did.

What makes you think other people here are not Christians but do not believe what you present?

You have some things to learn

 

[SophieT]

You will have to ask the Calvinists about what they believe, I believe Paul, we were chosen in Christ before the world began to be a people for the praise of God's glorious grace.

Shame. I believe the entire Bible and it does not promote Calvinism.

 

[Magenta]

I stopped reading at the end of your first sentence.

Too bad that you stopped after the first scripture.

Your first sentence was not Scripture.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

how does God harden people? I think this is a more important question. also. what does the word actually mean. I think many are confused with this

I read how God dealt with Pharaoh to understand the meaning. But I do believe it is connected to the depravity of mind.

 

[Magenta]

I read how God dealt with Pharaoh to understand the meaning. But I do believe it is connected to the depravity of mind.

And we must not overlook and/or forget that Pharaoh hardened his own heart multiple times before God did