Why do we call the Father, the Creator ..when the Son should have that title also?
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So Adam was now created as a physical being? Have you changed your view, then?
Because before you were saying Adam and Eve did not become physical until after they sinned.
Even though you also said sin was not possible in the spiritual
Because before you were saying Adam and Eve did not become physical until after they sinned.
Even though you also said sin was not possible in the spiritual
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...howing-us-creation-is-still-happening.197846/
That's good And congratulations. Really
Although I am not going to read the posts in that thread...
And I agree with you about the dust being, not atoms, but the elements, which are made of of even smaller particles than atoms, forming the elements which comprise the earth and the dust of the earth and therefore also the natural man.
And congratulations. Really Although I am not going to read the posts in that thread...
And I agree with you about the dust being, not atoms, but the elements, which are made of of even smaller particles than atoms, forming the elements which comprise the earth and the dust of the earth and therefore also the natural man.
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because they are one and the same together with the spirit.
Jesus is the father manifest in the form of a man so he is called the son of God form our Benifit that are adopted through him as children . We pray in his name because we are the children , it’s important to understand Jesus is God manifest in our sight , the father his son and the Holy Ghost in one.
we have the theee different elements form our benifit
the son is God revealing himself to man because the father is not seen or known , until he came in the form of Jesus Christ , the Holy Ghost aspect is how the one God is present with us .
each of the aspects of God that are
Made known to us have thiernown purpose in the plan it’s why we understand him as three in one he is so far beyond us he had to break it down so Christ came to do just that bridge the massive gap between fallible and imperfect man , and infallible perfect and glorious beyond the heavens True God
if he hadn’t come in Christ we could. Ever have know the father , and if he hadn’t sent the Holy Ghost to dwell in our hearts we could never be born again as his children or have his presence with us personally as we now can
he is one In the same but in order for us to get it he jumped into the mess we created and became one of us to teach us the truth
Jesus is the father manifest in the form of a man so he is called the son of God form our Benifit that are adopted through him as children . We pray in his name because we are the children , it’s important to understand Jesus is God manifest in our sight , the father his son and the Holy Ghost in one.
we have the theee different elements form our benifit
the son is God revealing himself to man because the father is not seen or known , until he came in the form of Jesus Christ , the Holy Ghost aspect is how the one God is present with us .
each of the aspects of God that are
Made known to us have thiernown purpose in the plan it’s why we understand him as three in one he is so far beyond us he had to break it down so Christ came to do just that bridge the massive gap between fallible and imperfect man , and infallible perfect and glorious beyond the heavens True God
if he hadn’t come in Christ we could. Ever have know the father , and if he hadn’t sent the Holy Ghost to dwell in our hearts we could never be born again as his children or have his presence with us personally as we now can
he is one In the same but in order for us to get it he jumped into the mess we created and became one of us to teach us the truth
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First of all I am not "ranting." I'm explaining to your "clueless" mind what the Scriptures are teaching. Secondly, I'm responding specifically to what you initially stated in your thread. As I pointed out and so did others that God the Father and God the Son are "NOT" one and the same person. As explained, they share the same nature and that's what makes them the one being of God.
Instead checking this out (like your suppose to do) according to Acts 17:11, you just ignored it and tell me I'm "ranting." Then you tell me to read what you stated in other post which is what exactly? So, I ask you again, how would improve on what the Bible clearly teaches as it relates to Jesus being the creator with His Father? And btw, others, like lurkers for example read these post and want to learn. From what you said your still drinking baby formula and need to grow up.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Instead checking this out (like your suppose to do) according to Acts 17:11, you just ignored it and tell me I'm "ranting." Then you tell me to read what you stated in other post which is what exactly? So, I ask you again, how would improve on what the Bible clearly teaches as it relates to Jesus being the creator with His Father? And btw, others, like lurkers for example read these post and want to learn. From what you said your still drinking baby formula and need to grow up.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
“Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”
Matthew 7:16 KJV
grapes taste better when we don’t have to fight through the thorns
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”
Galatians 5:22-23
Matthew 7:16 KJV
grapes taste better when we don’t have to fight through the thorns
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”
Galatians 5:22-23
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It’s really nice to participate in a peaceful conversation I love you folks a lot just reading some of the really wonderful insight in your posts really helps me understand some things
this forum could be a blessing so big if we could stay at peace even when we don’t always agree on every point just really I been reading through a time of different threads , it’s a blessing to have met you all
this forum could be a blessing so big if we could stay at peace even when we don’t always agree on every point just really I been reading through a time of different threads , it’s a blessing to have met you all
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Well I appreaciate your change in attitude, it's refreshing. It's pretty rare that people will change their position, especially reagarding the Bible. What holds them back is "pride." So again, thank you!
I would also like to add on what pottersclay stated here: "
Much like the architects of today which draft blue prints of buildings and such it is out of the mind and imagination of the person that drafted and designed. Then you have the tradesmen who put it together.
"And by him all things are held together"
We read at Revelation 3:14, "The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning OF the creation OF God, says this." The Jw's, Unitarians, Christadelphians and others who deny the deity of Jesus Christ love to use this verse to show God the Father created Jesus Christ. They also like to use Proverbs 8:22.
When you look up that word "Beginning" in the Greek it is the word, "arche." We get our English word "architect" from that word. And like pottersclay stated, an architect is the "origin, draws up the plans and designs " what will be built etc. This is (as I stated) backed up by John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 by His Father and here at Revelation 3:14. In short, Jesus and the Farther are equally one and the same being of God. Does that make sense?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I would also like to add on what pottersclay stated here: "
Much like the architects of today which draft blue prints of buildings and such it is out of the mind and imagination of the person that drafted and designed. Then you have the tradesmen who put it together.
"And by him all things are held together"
We read at Revelation 3:14, "The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning OF the creation OF God, says this." The Jw's, Unitarians, Christadelphians and others who deny the deity of Jesus Christ love to use this verse to show God the Father created Jesus Christ. They also like to use Proverbs 8:22.
When you look up that word "Beginning" in the Greek it is the word, "arche." We get our English word "architect" from that word. And like pottersclay stated, an architect is the "origin, draws up the plans and designs " what will be built etc. This is (as I stated) backed up by John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 by His Father and here at Revelation 3:14. In short, Jesus and the Farther are equally one and the same being of God. Does that make sense?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Yes, it makes sense. I took it a step further after pottersclay wrote that. The reason we can't see God the Father is because He is in a higher dimension than what we can perceive. Christ is His representation for these lower dimensions. The plan and design are handed to Christ and He makes them happen with the Word.
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amen it reminds Me of this instruction by the beloved by many , apostle Paul for edification amongst us
“And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
Colossians 3:15-17
I really am seeing edification and am thankful for it I think the secret is like your saying to just express the thkngs in our faith right or wrong and in the discussion process of we’re paying attention to what others are saying as well as what we have said I believe edification is much easier to accept and see
and brings to form our beliefs together as we let go of pride and thinking we can make it alone or don’t need the hands and feet of the body because we see ourselves a mouth a mouth can’t move or walk but legs can , legs can’t speak but a mouth can we need one another because love for one another and unity through the bond of peace is the engine that drives the church
“And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
Colossians 3:15-17
I really am seeing edification and am thankful for it I think the secret is like your saying to just express the thkngs in our faith right or wrong and in the discussion process of we’re paying attention to what others are saying as well as what we have said I believe edification is much easier to accept and see
and brings to form our beliefs together as we let go of pride and thinking we can make it alone or don’t need the hands and feet of the body because we see ourselves a mouth a mouth can’t move or walk but legs can , legs can’t speak but a mouth can we need one another because love for one another and unity through the bond of peace is the engine that drives the church
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Look God is not bound by our observation and reason, or as we, so call science. We have to learn that God is beyond our finite mind. We need to learn to accept that what is paradox to us is not beyond the ability of God.
I kind of like that old blaphemous rhetorical question, "can God make a rock too big for him to move?" Because the answer is, " yes, and then he can move it when he so chooses. "
I kind of like that old blaphemous rhetorical question, "can God make a rock too big for him to move?" Because the answer is, " yes, and then he can move it when he so chooses. "