Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

[Truth7t7]

The resurrected saints return with Jesus to His Father's house and reign with Him a thousand years while the entire planet Earth lies "dark, desolate, empty, wasted, devoured, void" with "broken down cities, no life-sustaining atmosphere, no humanity, and dead bodies of the wicked lying all over the surface" who dropped dead "at the brightness of His coming" (Isaiah 24; Jeremiah 4; Jeremiah 25; 2 Thessalonians 2; 2 Peter 3:10 KJV).

I Strongly Disagree

The Earth Will Be Dissolved By The Lords Fire In Judgement At His Second Coming, As The New Heavens, Earth, And Jerusalem Are Revealed For Eternity.

No broken down cities, bodies laying everywhere dead as you claim.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[FreeGrace2]

The Bible says it.

Rev 20:4 - 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

OK, please explain to me what your spiritualized version of the red words mean.

I would appreciate your understanding of the red words, since you deny the literalness of them.

Be careful, if you talk to yourself tooooo much, those guys in the white jackets might be coming

So, you seem unwilling or unable to explain yourself then. OK.

 

[FreeGrace2]

If I may, it's speaking of the Resurrection of the Just at the Second Coming, when the dead and living saints rise to meet Jesus in the air, while the Earth suffers unspeakable destruction as Jesus returns "as a theif in the night" (2 Peter 3:10 KJV) and "rules all the nations with a rod of iron" when He will "break them with a rod of iron...dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel" (Psalms 2:2 KJV) which is the fulfillment of the "Second Coming" Stone of Daniel 2 striking the kingdoms of the Earth which He shall "break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms together" (Daniel 2:44-45 KJV).

The resurrected saints return with Jesus to His Father's house and reign with Him a thousand years while the entire planet Earth lies "dark, desolate, empty, wasted, devoured, void" with "broken down cities, no life-sustaining atmosphere, no humanity, and dead bodies of the wicked lying all over the surface" who dropped dead "at the brightness of His coming" (Isaiah 24; Jeremiah 4; Jeremiah 25; 2 Thessalonians 2; 2 Peter 3:10 KJV).

If I may, where does the Bible say or at least clearly indicate that Jesus takes the glorified believers back up to heaven?

 

[Truth7t7]

The Bible says it.

Rev 20:4 - 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

OK, please explain to me what your spiritualized version of the red words mean.

I would appreciate your understanding of the red words, since you deny the literalness of them.

So, you seem unwilling or unable to explain yourself then. OK.

I dont see any red words in this post?

Talking to yourself, now your seeing red words?

 

[Truth7t7]

If I may, where does the Bible say or at least clearly indicate that Jesus takes the glorified believers back up to heaven?

It dosent, the earth is dissolved by the Lords fire in judgement at his second coming, as the new heavens, earth, Jerusalem are revealed for eternity.

Judgement complete at the Second Coming, Eternity Begins.

There will be no Millennial Kingdom on this earth, where Jesus Christ hangs out with mortal humans, a fairy tale of man.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I dont see any red words in this post?

Talking to yourself, now your seeing red words?

They WERE in the original post, which you ignored. I copied and pasted into the last post, but the color failed to copy.

Here is the original post for now the THIRD time:
The Bible says it.

Rev 20:4 - 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

OK, please explain to me what your spiritualized version of the red words mean.

I would appreciate your understanding of the red words, since you deny the literalness of them.

So, you seem unwilling or unable to explain yourself then. OK.

So, now you have the red words, again.

Can you explain hour spiritualized version of what the red words mean, or not?

I even made the letters bigger so they'd be easier to read.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
If I may, where does the Bible say or at least clearly indicate that Jesus takes the glorified believers back up to heaven?

It dosent

Thank you, so your position that Jesus does take believers back up to heaven for glorification is just a figment then.

the earth is dissolved by the Lords fire in judgement at his second coming, as the new heavens, earth, Jerusalem are revealed for eternity.

Have you torn Rev 21 out of your Bible yet? Because that's what you have to do to hold to that opinion of yours.

Judgement complete at the Second Coming, Eternity Begins.

Only after 1,000 literal years, when Jesus rules the present earth and before the battle of Gog and Magog.

There will be no Millennial Kingdom on this earth, where Jesus Christ hangs out with mortal humans, a fairy tale of man.

Well, you're right about "hanging out with" mortal humans. No, He sure doesn't do that.

What He will do is REIGN with a rod of iron for 1,000 literal years, and then when Satan is released from bondage for a little while, and again deceives the whole world and gathers all the armies of the world to wipe out Jerusalem, Jesus destroys them with fire.

And then we have the GWT judgment, followed by the casting of all unbelievers into the lake fo fire.

And finally, we have eternity, when the present heaven and earth will pass away and we'll have a new heaven and earth. That's when eternity begins, and your Timex won't work anymore.

 

[cv5]

All Believers Are (Sealed) the 144,000 Will Be Saved Through Jesus Christ, (Sealed) And Added To The Church Just As All Believers.

Jews That Arent Saved And Sealed, Will Suffer The Torment For 5 Months And Plagues, Just As All The Unsaved Will.

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Revelation 7:4KJV
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 9:4KJV
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

May I ask what Church you are attending? Is it non-denominational?

 

[Truth7t7]

May I ask what Church you are attending? Is it non-denominational?

I have attended Baptist, Calvary Chapels, Assembly Of God, Four Square, Non-Denominational

Sorta Slowed Down On Attendance With Covid

 

[Truth7t7]

They WERE in the original post, which you ignored. I copied and pasted into the last post, but the color failed to copy.

Here is the original post for now the THIRD time:
The Bible says it.

Rev 20:4 - 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

OK, please explain to me what your spiritualized version of the red words mean.

I would appreciate your understanding of the red words, since you deny the literalness of them.

So, you seem unwilling or unable to explain yourself then. OK.

So, now you have the red words, again.

Can you explain hour spiritualized version of what the red words mean, or not?

I even made the letters bigger so they'd be easier to read.

I answered this just one page back, on 106 post #2,114

I'll post it again

No they didnt come to life in physical, tangible bodies (They Lived) as all Believers are part of the living (Eternal Life)

You claim (Came To Life)?

Perhaps it's the Amplified Childrens Bible you quote?

Your claim that the (Beheaded) tribulation saints (The Souls) seen in Rev 20:4 below came to life in physical, tangible, bodies is laughable

Rev 20:5 clearly tells the reader they are (Dead) yes right before your eyes!

(But The Rest Of The Dead)

All Believers In Jesus Christ Are Of The Living, Dead Or Alive!

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords Spiritual Realm, Those Seen Are (Physically Dead) Waiting For The First Resurrection On The Last Day.

No Physical Kingdom, No Physical Throne, No Mortal Humans Are Seen (None)

A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Is A Man Made (Fairy Tale)

Revelation 20:4-5KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Perhaps (The Souls) Seen Below, Have Physical, Tangible Bodies Also, Who Are Waiting Their Tribulation Saint Brethren To Die Also?

(The Souls) Are (Dead) In The Lords Spiritual Realm Of No Literal Time.

Revelation 6:9-11KJV
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I Strongly Disagree

The Earth Will Be Dissolved By The Lords Fire In Judgement At His Second Coming, As The New Heavens, Earth, And Jerusalem Are Revealed For Eternity.

New heavens and Earth are created after the Wicked are resurrected, sentenced, and then cast into the Lake of Fire, which is 1,000 years after the Saints are resurrected at the Second Coming:

"..."the rest of the dead (the wicked) lived not again until the 1,000 years were finished. This (the previously mentioned resurrection of the saints) is the first resurrection."​

No broken down cities, bodies laying everywhere dead as you claim.

Please open your Bible before opening your mouth

Jeremiah:
4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, [it was] without form, and void; and the heavens, and they [had] no light.
4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
4:25 I beheld, and, lo, [there was] no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place [was] a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, [and] by his fierce anger.

25:30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread [the grapes], against all the inhabitants of the earth.
25:31 A noise shall come [even] to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them [that are] wicked to the sword, saith the LORD.
25:32 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
25:33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

 

[cv5]

I have attended Baptist, Calvary Chapels, Assembly Of God, Four Square, Non-Denominational

Sorta Slowed Down On Attendance With Covid

Great thank you for the info. Are you that some of those Churches hold to a pre-trib premillenial view. Certainly Calvary Chapel. I'm just wondering where you derived your end times eschatology from. Did you learned from one of those Churches?

 

[FreeGrace2]

I answered this just one page back, on 106 post #2,114
I'll post it again

No they didnt come to life in physical, tangible bodies (They Lived) as all Believers are part of the living (Eternal Life)

This line doesn't make sense. Can you fix it? What do you mean by (they lived) though you claim "they didn't come to life in tangible bodies". The passage is very clear, as I color coded the words that said "they came to life".

Listen, EVERY believer's soul remains alive, even after physical death. You don't believe in soul sleep, do you? Paul was clear about physical death. "Absent from the body, face to face with the Lord". 2 Cor 5:6,8

You claim (Came To Life)?

No, the Bible does. As I showed in the red words.

Perhaps it's the Amplified Childrens Bible you quote?

Such snarkiness doesn't help your cause.

So, thanks for another non answer to my request to explain what the red words mean to you. Seems you just aren't grasping what I'm asking.

Revelation 20:4-5KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

15 of the English translations on bible hub.com have "came to life and reigned".

Anyhoo, what I'm asking you is what "came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years" means.

Can you explain it or not?

 

[TMS]

This line doesn't make sense. Can you fix it? What do you mean by (they lived) though you claim "they didn't come to life in tangible bodies". The passage is very clear, as I color coded the words that said "they came to life".

Listen, EVERY believer's soul remains alive, even after physical death. You don't believe in soul sleep, do you? Paul was clear about physical death. "Absent from the body, face to face with the Lord". 2 Cor 5:6,8


No, the Bible does. As I showed in the red words.


Such snarkiness doesn't help your cause.

So, thanks for another non answer to my request to explain what the red words mean to you. Seems you just aren't grasping what I'm asking.

Revelation 20:4-5KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

15 of the English translations on bible hub.com have "came to life and reigned".

Anyhoo, what I'm asking you is what "came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years" means.

Can you explain it or not?

what "came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years" means.

They lived (who lived) = verse 5 and 6 makes it clear that it is those that are part of the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection happens when Jesus comes, at the second coming of Jesus. It is the dead in Christ that are raised to life.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Absolutely]

what "came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years" means.

They lived (who lived) = verse 5 and 6 makes it clear that it is those that are part of the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection happens when Jesus comes, at the second coming of Jesus. It is the dead in Christ that are raised to life.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

There is no resurrection in those martyrs after the tribulation.

It is merely saying their martyrdom and resurrection a few years back rule on thrones.

The first resurrection happened way before the earth is gathered in rev 14.

Paul said the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

That means BEFORE the rev 14 gathering.

 

[ewq1938]

If I may, it's speaking of the Resurrection of the Just at the Second Coming, when the dead and living saints rise to meet Jesus in the air, while the Earth suffers unspeakable destruction as Jesus returns "as a theif in the night" (2 Peter 3:10 KJV) and "rules all the nations with a rod of iron" when He will "break them with a rod of iron...dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel" (Psalms 2:2 KJV) which is the fulfillment of the "Second Coming" Stone of Daniel 2 striking the kingdoms of the Earth which He shall "break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms together" (Daniel 2:44-45 KJV).

The resurrected saints return with Jesus to His Father's house and reign with Him a thousand years while the entire planet Earth lies "dark, desolate, empty, wasted, devoured, void" with "broken down cities, no life-sustaining atmosphere, no humanity, and dead bodies of the wicked lying all over the surface" who dropped dead "at the brightness of His coming" (Isaiah 24; Jeremiah 4; Jeremiah 25; 2 Thessalonians 2; 2 Peter 3:10 KJV).

That's SDA doctrine. Those who are raptured never go to the 3rd heaven, just the 1st heaven and they will follow Christ and he descends. The thousand years and the ruling happens on the Earth over the nations who did not die when Christ returns. It is false to think the thousand years is in heaven with no one to rule over and that the Earth is devoid of living people.

 

[TMS]

This line doesn't make sense. Can you fix it? What do you mean by (they lived) though you claim "they didn't come to life in tangible bodies". The passage is very clear, as I color coded the words that said "they came to life".

Listen, EVERY believer's soul remains alive, even after physical death. You don't believe in soul sleep, do you? Paul was clear about physical death. "Absent from the body, face to face with the Lord". 2 Cor 5:6,8

Can you explain it or not?

"EVERY believer's soul remains alive"

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

That is the first lie of the devil and the deception in all false religions and spiritual beliefs.
Notice that all spiritual cults and new age beliefs teach that the spirit is immortal.

The Bible does not contradict itself.. Millions are confused about the relationship between the body, spirit, and soul.
Does dead really mean dead???

“Man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep. … His sons come to honor, and he does not know it; they are brought low, and he does not perceive it” (Job 14:12, 21).
“Nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 9:6).

The dead cannot contact the living, nor do they know what the living are doing. They are dead. Their thoughts have perished (Psalm 146:4 KJV).

The devil’s lie that we will not die is one of the pillars of his teachings. For thousands of years, he has worked powerful, deceptive miracles to trick people into thinking they are receiving messages from the spirits of the dead. (Examples: Magicians of Egypt—Exodus 7:11; Woman of Endor—1 Samuel 28:3–25; Sorcerers—Daniel 2:2; A slave girl—Acts 16:16–18.)
Satan is using sorcery—as he did in the prophet Daniel’s day—to deceive the world (Revelation 18:23). Sorcery is a supernatural agency that claims to receive its power and wisdom from the spirits of the dead.

Will devils work miracles? Yes we are told they will.

“For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles” (Revelation 16:14, KJV).
“False christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect” (Matthew 24:24).

Devils work incredibly convincing miracles (Revelation 13:13, 14). Satan will appear as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14) and, even more shocking, as Christ Himself (Matthew 24:23, 24). The universal feeling will be that Christ and His angels are leading out in a fantastic worldwide revival. Will the sorcery they use trick you? The only protection is the truth of Gods word and God made it plan that the dead do not speak to us and that those that play with this theory should be killed.

“A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones” (Leviticus 20:27).

If the Spirits of our loved one are really alive why would God kill those that can speak to the dead? This shows how God regards the false teaching that the dead are alive.

 

[TMS]

There is no resurrection in those martyrs after the tribulation.

It is merely saying their martyrdom and resurrection a few years back rule on thrones.

The first resurrection happened way before the earth is gathered in rev 14.

Paul said the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

That means BEFORE the rev 14 gathering.

Matt 24 does not say that ..
The coming of Christ will be seen and heard because it is not a secret. when He comes the resurrection happens.

....they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Absolutely]

Matt 24 does not say that ..
The coming of Christ will be seen and heard because it is not a secret. when He comes the resurrection happens.

....they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Read 1 thessaloneans 4.
The dead PRECEDE the living.

I know you do not want to hear that.

No matter what, the dead in Christ CANNOT BE raised AFTER the gathering by Jesus sitting on a cloud DURING the GT.

I know you don't want to hear it, but all I am is a reporter.

Postrib rapturists omitted that and the other rapture verses.

Omitted em all.

Go back and look at the posts.
Postribbers WILL NOT go there.

 

[Absolutely]

Matt 24 does not say that ..
The coming of Christ will be seen and heard because it is not a secret. when He comes the resurrection happens.

....they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Yep true every word.
Thanks
I also believe all those things.

Your mat 24 says angels gather...not Jesus

Gathered FROM HEAVEN..... not earth.